This should go well...
http://m.oxfordeagle.com/2017/09/06...uare-at-lafayette-county-supervisors-meeting/
http://m.oxfordeagle.com/2017/09/06...uare-at-lafayette-county-supervisors-meeting/
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Oh boy is this great!
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I wonder if Hugh Freeze is shown on camera tearing down that statue before next week he will be cleansed from his NCAA transgressions?
Frankly I do not see anything great about it. Is it because the meeting was in Oxford? News flash: this meeting will be held everywhere there is anything in the public domain pertaining to statues, memorials, flags, or now even church windows. It has nothing to do with Ole Miss/Oxford. And no I am not a Rebel nor a member of the KKK.
The Attala Co. board of supervisors had the same discussion about 3 weeks ago. It was brought up by someone attending the monthly supervisors meeting and further discussions are to be held on the subject.
The fact that people have a problem with memorials which were constructed to commemorate oppression being torn down is amazing to me.
Therr is no need to forget everything about the civil war and reconstriction. The opposite needs to happen- it needs to be studied by everyone and museumed for future generations to learn.
Celebrating oppressors in a town square(or college building) is just so odd when there are actual legit great people who could instead be memorialized and celebrated.
But hey- im apparently a SJWcuckapologist.
Therr is no need to forget everything about the civil war and reconstriction. The opposite needs to happen- it needs to be studied by everyone and museumed for future generations to learn.
Celebrating oppressors in a town square(or college building) is just so odd when there are actual legit great people who could instead be memorialized and celebrated.
But hey- im apparently a SJWcuckapologist.
People have no problem removing every vestige of Nazi Germany in sympathy with the Jewish population. Why do people not get that the stars and bars are the swastika to most black Americans? In a museum, ok (like Auschwitz is now a museum of sorts). But just to put out on the town square....mmmmm.....I have no problem moving the statues to museums.
Like Christopher Columbus: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...ew-york-christopher-columbus-statue-de-blasio
Perhaps Thomas Jefferson: https://www.change.org/p/the-univer...ve-the-statue-of-thomas-jefferson-from-campus
https://www.google.com/amp/www.lati...-stand-with-jefferson-20151021-story,amp.html
Better yet, George Washington: http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/16/rahm-emanuel-urged-by-chicago-pastor-to-remove-geo/
hell.. maybe even Ulysses S Grant: https://www.google.com/amp/amp.gothamist.com/amp/articles/create?article_id=599d9eabaf8a3f00017d11cd
Not defending Confederacy monuments here (outside of battlefields and national parks), but again, will tearing down Confederate statues shut everyone up? Apparently not. At some point you have to stop appeasing people.
I've read that a very large number of these statues were put up in the 1960s in defiance of the civil right's movement.
Christopher Columbus was an absolute monster. I wish someone else was able to take credit for what he was able to take credit for.
So were basically all of the Spanish Conquistadors. everyone knows why central and South America speaks Spanish right? Brutality from Spanish invaders to conquer the natives. Funny how you never hear of that when the blame of human suffering and talk of fairness is going around.
some were put up before then when no one that would be offended had any power or say what went in the town square. I'm all for putting them in a museum and building something cool and unique in my local park where nathan bedford forrest statue is located... something unique like Chicago has with the Cloud Gate sculpture.
the Confederate Battle flag--is not the Stars and Bars. why do Blacks not hate the Stars and Stripes. KKK also marches with it. Slavery was legal for years under the flag Of the USA.
There was a good Reddit thread on this, with data.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeau...this_graphic_shows_how_late_most_confederate/
There's lots of reasons speculated but it's difficult to make conclusions.
Because they were antagonized with it in the 50s and 60s.
Nobody gave a damn about that flag outside of a few family's considering it a family heirloom or some history buffs. Civil rights issues heated up and black folks were taunted with dogs, sprayed with water hoses, bombed, and made to feel uncomfortable in their homes and communities. There was a large portion of the white poplulation terrorizing (term not used here lightly) the black community and that damn flag seemed to always be close by. Pretty easy to see why negative feelings are associated with it.
Nobody gave a damn about that flag outside of a few family's considering it a family heirloom or some history buffs. Civil rights issues heated up and black folks were taunted with dogs, sprayed with water hoses, bombed, and made to feel uncomfortable in their homes and communities. There was a large portion of the white poplulation terrorizing (term not used here lightly) the black community and that damn flag seemed to always be close by. Pretty easy to see why negative feelings are associated with it.
It's not about appeasing everyone and yes, there will always be the crazy outliers who want anarchy, but those people are not an excuse to ignore this discussion. I absolutely abhor people who will always find the one example that they think proves the entire theory wrong. It's like people who use the one person cheating the food stamp program as justification for taking away the entire program. In any event, if you really want to understand, I suggest you watch/read the speech given by Mayor Mitch Landrieu of New Orleans. He explains it beautifully.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...ec59a9bf4b1_video.html?utm_term=.3f8154598466
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/23/opinion/mitch-landrieus-speech-transcript.html?mcubz=3
We have to be willing to put the past in the past to move into the future. To do otherwise leaves you with a black bear as a mascot and students hanging nooses on statues. Time to give this up...
Like most which is contentious in society and lacks a clear solution, opinions on this topic fall within a spectrum. You are correct- at some point you do need to stop appeasing people. You cant make everyone happy.
My views on your comments are as follows-
- Columbus is hardly celebrated like he was when most of us were kids. It isnt even close and thats due to the change in narrative concerning his explorations and a general shift in skepticism with regards to how much of history has been presented to us.
- It'd be tough to find national leaders in US history without some skeletons in their closets. Agreed there.
- Perhaps what should change needs to be limited to removing the statues and named buildings of those who actively fought against integration, who actively fought for segregation, and who actively fought for the continued enslavement of humans.
Those who tried to keep blacks from voting, or getting the same education as whites, or worked to intimidate and divide their community or states just dont need to be commemorated. No statues need to stand or buildings and bridges named for those who are best(or only) known for oppression. That goes for governors, congressmen, and even some random guy's great great granpappy who fought in the war and has a statue on the town square of Bumpkin MS.
If all or most of what they are known for is racism/oppression/limiting a group of citizens, then why celebrate them?
As you said- you cant please everyone. But you can work to only celebrate those who should be celebrated.
I guess we're all suppose to forget the fact that the North came down here and basically burned down everything they came across. Private property, farms, entire cities. Raped and murdered private citizens and looted private property. Jackson was nicknamed Chimneyville because nothing was left but chimneys after Ulysses Grant got done with it on his way to Vicksburg. They basically starved the entire population of Warren County in 1863. And don't even get me started on Sherman. You're telling me they're the good guys? History is not black and white for either side. So stop trying to make it that.
Also don't forget that U.S. flag flew over a campaign to pretty much wipe out an entire race of people after the Civil War in the Indian Wars. You want your skin to crawl go read about Wounded Knee or the battle of Washita. Should we ban the U.S. flag as well? It's time to stop appeasing people with delicate sensibilities.
Also don't forget that U.S. flag flew over a campaign to pretty much wipe out an entire race of people after the Civil War in the Indian Wars. You want your skin to crawl go read about Wounded Knee or the battle of Washita. Should we ban the U.S. flag as well? It's time to stop appeasing people with delicate sensibilities.
how many statues does 1 blue dot represent? like I said not many and it doesn't say where. I've never seen a confederate Statue erected in the 60's. not saying their isn't any.
Doesnt seem like anyone in the thread has tried to frame this as black and white, as you accuse.
...terrible pun there.
Jesus.
H.
Christ.
Comparing one's plight to holocaust survivors....
Bold strategy, Cotton....
Caveat: In no way am I using the word "cotton" to be offensive.
H.
Christ.
Comparing one's plight to holocaust survivors....
Bold strategy, Cotton....
Caveat: In no way am I using the word "cotton" to be offensive.
Come to the former Confederate Park in Memphis and bend a knee to the statue of Jefferson Davis. It was put there in 1964.
It would be really expensive and would be an extreme cluster17 to rename every building/park/lake/resevoir/school/street that was named after a democrat in office from the civil war to roughly 1990???.
****, just renaming everything named after robert byrd would probably be millions of dollars just in signage. I'm assuming Arkansas would have the same thing on a much smaller scale with Fulbright.
It would provide jobs for Americans. Perfect!- put Americans to work while removing tributes to some of the worst people to honor in US history.
In all seriousness- yeah, it would cost money to remove statues and rename buildings. Giving a reason of- 'well its going to cost money' is terrible, as if we shouldnt remove disrespectful tributes and rename locations after respectful people just because itll cost money?!?! ********- inspiring people thru paying tribute to actual patriots and influential leaders is well worth the cost and it can come from the DOD's budget where 80% is allocated to the Pentagon.
Let's start by removing womanizer tributes. Every large urban area has something named for MLK and it'll go far in making Chris rock feel safer.
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