The Indians are stirring

[BertleTheTurtle]

Appears we have a couple of training camp injuries. Per Landon Guidry's twitter, looks like he's out this season with a knee injury. Also, appears that Abram may have tweaked his knee as well and may miss a few games. Let's hope just the first 2. Between these two guys, and what seems to be the inevitable redshirting of Rivers (along with Cole), I'm starting to think maybe we should make a sacrifice to the dead Indians before things get out of hand...

 

[Xenomorph]

Well...

 

[bulldognation]

WELP.

I guess we're gonna need more than a bucket of fried chicken.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

So we will approximately 72 scholarship players when season starts?

 

[BertleTheTurtle]

That would be the max. We always have 2-3 guys suspended for the first game for Summer grades. Barring no further injuries, I'd be willing to set the number at 70 scholarship players for the first game.

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

Love how we self imposed scholarship reductions

 

[Xenomorph]

So about the same number the Ole Miss Rebels will have available in 2018.

 

[57stratdawg]

Our JUCO class is taking hits left and right.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Lmao, yes injuries = self imposed scholarship reductions.

17in morons.

 

[Shmuley]

At least our OL situation is stable. /FAAAAARRRRRRRT

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

Lmao, yes injuries = self imposed scholarship reductions.

17in morons.

Not the injuries. We were short on scholarship players to begin with

 

[Junction John]

It's all you bastards picking us to win 9 games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shmuley's karma theory is real

 

[MSUDC11]

Guidry was likely going to redshirt anyway, so this injury doesn't really affect this season.

As long as Abram's injury isn't a long term deal then we'll be fine.

 

[BertleTheTurtle]

The biggest hit would be Rivers, if he isn't eligible. That's probably the most upsetting thing about the entire Fall camp. How can a kid enroll in January, and us not know his eligibility status 11 days before the first game in September. We may never hear the real story, but the fans deserve an explanation on this. It's unacceptable. We can manage without Cole. I don't think he would have started at any point this season, but by all accounts, it seemed like Rivers was going to be a starter and had been impressive in camp. That will be a huge blow to an already inexperienced DL if he can't play this year.

 

[MSUDC11]

Losing Rivers would hurt, but it's not like we aren't talented at that position. Between Fletcher and Kobe I think we'd be fine in the long run.

 

[EngDawg]

Get Jobu some rum

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Simmons, sweat, Adams, jones, autry, Thomas, hoyett... we have plenty of depth on the DL...remember there's only 3 down lineman.

 

[johnson86-1]

The biggest hit would be Rivers, if he isn't eligible. That's probably the most upsetting thing about the entire Fall camp. How can a kid enroll in January, and us not know his eligibility status 11 days before the first game in September. We may never hear the real story, but the fans deserve an explanation on this. It's unacceptable. We can manage without Cole. I don't think he would have started at any point this season, but by all accounts, it seemed like Rivers was going to be a starter and had been impressive in camp. That will be a huge blow to an already inexperienced DL if he can't play this year.

What's crazy is that if I understand what is going on, had he stayed at JUCO for another semester, there wouldn't be a question. But he took extra classes at JUCo to be a December enrollee, and even though he now has MSU classes from the spring and summer, they can't take the place of the extra classes he took at JUCO and the only way to be eligible immediately was to stick in JUCO for another semester.

That seems insane, but I guess the NCAA doesn't have to be sane.

 

[BertleTheTurtle]

I get that we have depth with guys that can play the position. But if Rivers was already the slated starter, after only being here for the Spring and Summer, then Fletcher and Kobe must not be ready for starter reps yet. My fear is that we have bodies right now, and those bodies haven't had time to pick up the speed of the game after 1 yr. Autry and Hoyett aren't in shape enough to play as many snaps as Rivers would play. Sweat will only have his hand in the ground on true pass rush situations. Against the run, he'll get mauled as a down lineman. If Rivers isn't eligible, we'll basically be leaning on Fletcher Adams and Kobe Jones, one with very limited experience and one with none. We recruited Adams to be the multi-year starter at this position. It's time he steps up. But that's a lot to ask of a guy with very limited in-game experience.

 

[AlSwearengen]

What's crazy is that if I understand what is going on, had he stayed at JUCO for another semester, there wouldn't be a question. But he took extra classes at JUCo to be a December enrollee, and even though he now has MSU classes from the spring and summer, they can't take the place of the extra classes he took at JUCO and the only way to be eligible immediately was to stick in JUCO for another semester.

That seems insane, but I guess the NCAA doesn't have to be sane.

I blame olemiss. Half of the crazy rules that we have came about because they found some grey area somewhere and manipulated something. ********.

 

[BulldogBlitz]

WELP.

I guess we're gonna need more than a bucket of fried chicken.

Someone has been stealing Jobu's rum

**17n autocorrect

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

I get that we have depth with guys that can play the position. But if Rivers was already the slated starter, after only being here for the Spring and Summer, then Fletcher and Kobe must not be ready for starter reps yet. My fear is that we have bodies right now, and those bodies haven't had time to pick up the speed of the game after 1 yr. Autry and Hoyett aren't in shape enough to play as many snaps as Rivers would play. Sweat will only have his hand in the ground on true pass rush situations. Against the run, he'll get mauled as a down lineman. If Rivers isn't eligible, we'll basically be leaning on Fletcher Adams and Kobe Jones, one with very limited experience and one with none. We recruited Adams to be the multi-year starter at this position. It's time he steps up. But that's a lot to ask of a guy with very limited in-game experience.

There are a lot of assumptions in this post. I think you're putting waaaay to much into one player.

 

[BertleTheTurtle]

All we can do at this point is assume. My point was, we may be potentially left without a starter returning one of the worst ranked defenses in the country. We need all the help we can get.

 

[MSUDC11]

Rivers has less D1 experience than Adams and barely more than Kobe.

He played in four games at UGA and then ended up at EMCC. Adams played in 11 games last year and has spent two years in an SEC program.

Adams and Jones were also 4* recruits out of high school.

Losing Rivers would hurt, but it's not the difference between 8-4 and 5-7. Of course I want him on the field, but the season isn't lost if he can't play.

 

[BiscuitEater]

What's crazy is that if I understand what is going on, had he stayed at JUCO for another semester, there wouldn't be a question.

(Rumor warning) Someone mentioned that East Miss does not give Dec grads a choice of staying in JC for the Spring semester by NOT renewing their scholarships.

Don't know if true or not but might explain at least part of the issues for Cole & Rivers who both came from East Miss.

I have not heard of this issue at other Div 1 schools that signed Mississippi JC players.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

All we can do at this point is assume. My point was, we may be potentially left without a starter returning one of the worst ranked defenses in the country. We need all the help we can get.

But you're acting like rivers is the difference between a great defense and a garbage one. The DL has plenty of depth and can sustain a loss to someone who has never played for state and 4 games in D1 altogether.

Like how can you assume autry and hoyett aren't in shape? Makes no sense.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

Surely we have catastrophic insurance on the campus sports facilities. Blow up the whole damned sports complex on campus & start building again @ out the 17ing Refuge.

Seriously we would not have signed 47 JUCOS unless we needed immediate help. We need for Abrams, Sweat, Autry, & Rivers to be on the field by the LSU game may La Tech & it will be extremely disappointing if they are not. 2017 signing class looks a lot worse in the rear view mirror if only 2-3 of these JUCOs contribute this year. 2001 all over again potentially.

I feel better now

 

[paindonthurt_]

The fans don't deserve ****

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

Did ya'll not hear that the SEC docked us 5 scholarships for losing to USA?

 

[BertleTheTurtle]

Rivers has less D1 experience than Adams and barely more than Kobe (who were both 4* recruits) and played in fewer SEC games than Adams like you pointed out........yet Rivers was slated to start over both of them. I'd like to think there is a reason for that. Noone is saying the season is lost because we lose 1 guy, but there's a reason we brought Rivers into school, which was to help one of the worst defenses in the country become more consistent. I'm of the opinion that any time you lose a starter it hurts.

 

[BertleTheTurtle]

Our defense won't be garbage this year, with or without Rivers, but it'll be better with him. I keep seeing people throw the word "depth" around about our DL and then rattling off a few player names. I guess we can say the OL has depth too because we can throw 4 other 2nd team guys out there. You're assuming our DL has depth because we have a few guys who haven't produced on the field for us but were highly regarded out of HS. If Rivers was named a starter (after only playing 4 games in D1 and only being here for 1 semester and summer) then what does that say about our depth?

I assume Autry and Hoyett are in football shape. Based on their physique from the prior year and from the few camp photos I've seen, I assume neither of those guys are the type of players than can give you an effective 3 consecutive plays. They'll be situational players until they can get their weight down.

 

[HD6]

Sweat is a linebacker.

 

[engie]

Where was this starting slate you speak of?

 

[GloryDawg]

Hell ya'll are probably pissing them off when talking how ugly the South End Zone is going to look.

 

[BertleTheTurtle]

Are we really questioning whether Rivers was going to start?