LOCKED: Nissan workers reject Union bid.

[maroonmadman]

Final vote: 1307 Yes, 2244 No.
I thought it would be a lot closer that that but I guess a lot of on-the-fence folks decided to give Nissan at least another year to make some changes. Nissan spent a LOT of money campaigning against the UAW. I hope they have some left over to throw at us folks who work there.

 

[Allday.sixpack]

Are working conditions worsening over the years?

 

[civildawg88]

What changes are needed to be made? I'm curious

 

[maroonmadman]

Are working conditions worsening over the years?

I haven't been working there since they opened the plant but according to those that have been there since day 1, yes. Also management has been in decline. The amount of benefits given to workers when the plane opened compared to now is less. Hourly wages have gone up however. Workers made some concessions and gave up some benefits during the 2008 recession under the promise that they would get them back when times got better. Times have gotten better but no return of said benefits.

 

[MaroonNation]

Benefits have decreased for everyone. Hell I work in healthcare and our benefits suck compared to what they used to be. This isn't a Nissan thing, this is nationwide. At least Nissan gave y'all more money after taking benefits. Most hospitals cut benefits and you never see a dime of it back. The UAW did a horrible job of making their argument also. They got the least educated dudes they could find to do their radio spots. I was left always wondering what's so bad about working at Nissan. If it was the complaints of the persons doing those commercials then y'all still have it pretty good.

 

[thatsbaseball]

I was going to post the same thing about benefits....they've just about all shrunk

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Most Everyone who works for a living benefits have decreased the last 8 years....

 

[sandwolf.sixpack]

The UAW did a horrible job of making their argument also. They got the least educated dudes they could find to do their radio spots.

Good Lord, those commercials were awful. If I were a worker who was contemplating how to vote, those ads would've made the decision for me. They may as well have gotten on there and said , "Hey if you're stupid and you don't talk good, then the union is for you!"......the problem with that is that in the South, there are a lot of people who may not speak very articulately, but are actually really sharp people. I guess those northern union reps heard the way the plant workers talked and decided that they needed to sound like morons to appeal to them.......a lot of those workers probably found that **** insulting.

 

[HotMop]

Thanks Obamacare, my benefits used to be among the best, now they suck and cost twice what they did in the past. Goodbye $25 copay visits, hello $3000 deductible before 80/20 kicks in.

 

[Bucky Dog]

I agree on the benefits thing. My premiums are much higher now and bonuses aren't what they used to be but I'm thankful. The only thing the union does is selfish and in the end, you may have steady wages and some benefits but the number of employees drops to meet those demands and IMO the production slows. I've never understood the union thing. Get a job and then get the union the guarantee said job.

Go to work. Work hard and be productive. Be happy and thankful and you will be rewarded. I just don't get the sense of entitlement!

 

[MeridianDog]

The best health insurance I ever had was at Baxter Travenol in Cleveland, MS in 1975 - my first year working out of MSU. With each few years, they got progressively worse. When I retired two years ago, the health benefits were a pittance of what I had as a new employee on the job market. Everything else also fell off over the years, retirement, holiday pay, sick days and sick day accrual, vacation and vacation accrual, food service (Cafeteria offerings) - you name it and it declined.

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

Most Everyone who works for a living benefits have decreased the last 8 years....

This is a fact. Premiums have doubled since around 2010. It's not a management thing; it's an economy thing.

 

[kired]

Wish my deductible was $3000. I'm looking at twice that before anything kicks in (for full family coverage). Basically I don't meet it unless someone has a hospital stay.

My premium and deductible have both doubled since 2010.

 

[JackShephard]

Well thats at least one more year the plant can stay open.

 

[JackShephard]

Thanks Obamacare, my benefits used to be among the best, now they suck and cost twice what they did in the past. Goodbye $25 copay visits, hello $3000 deductible before 80/20 kicks in.

Same here. Went from $130 a month for family, with a $500 deductible, 90/10, to over $600 month with a $2,500 dectible and 70/30. This happened from 2009 to 2016.

 

[MrKotter]

This is a fact. Premiums have doubled since around 2010. It's not a management thing; it's an economy thing.

It's not an economy thing. It's a stupid *** former president thing

 

[Mts68]

Insurance is out of control.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

Used to work for Oceaneering, benefits were 17ing great. And that's all I have to say about that.

 

[57stratdawg]

Wasn't a repeal going to increase premiums 30%?

 

[411dawg]

Insurance is out of control.

Obamacare is going to ruin health insurance. The craziest thing is there is a cap on insurance company profit margins now and rates still skyrocket because of the horrible plan.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Sometimes its the little things

like forcing your insurer to cover sex change operations.

Yes boys and girls, we are all paying for that.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

It's not an economy thing. It's a stupid *** former president thing

what makes you want to bang your head against the wall is that most of the die hard pro union people that point to company health insurance getting worse are the same people who would march in the street to save Obamacare as it's written now.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Some of my fellow employees are Canadians.... over half of their paycheck goes to the Canadian Government... their Healthcare is Governmenf provided... from talking to them, you don't want any major life event such as cancer or a heart attack.

 

[aTotal360]

But think of all the people you are giving coverage to by working for them...

 

[RocketDawg]

Good Lord, those commercials were awful. If I were a worker who was contemplating how to vote, those ads would've made the decision for me. They may as well have gotten on there and said , "Hey if you're stupid and you don't talk good, then the union is for you!"......the problem with that is that in the South, there are a lot of people who may not speak very articulately, but are actually really sharp people. I guess those northern union reps heard the way the plant workers talked and decided that they needed to sound like morons to appeal to them.......a lot of those workers probably found that **** insulting.

Some of the presidential candidates did the same thing with the same results.

 

[the dog is on the loose]

I'm for one am glad the union crap is over with. I got so sick of seeing those paid pro union morons standing and yelling for the union as I was going through the gate at the plant. They would be at every gate. I go in at six in the morning and those suckers would be out there ganged up and passing out flyers. One idiot was even fist pumping in the air for the UAW, not to mention that their cars lined up on the road had out of state plates.

 

[Sam Adams Dog]

When I saw Beenie Thompson was on the union side spitting out his usual garbage, thought it would get knocked down. Saw the NAACP dude comparing it to the civil rights struggles. Shocker.

 

[WestPointDawg15]

Wow....

 

[maroonmadman]

Used to work for Oceaneering, benefits were 17ing great. And that's all I have to say about that.

I almost went to work for Oceaneering, they offered me the job as Chief Engineer on the Ocean intervention I but Edison Chouest gave me a pay raise and I stayed with them. Kinda sometimes regret that but what the hell, it is what it is.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

OI1? Helllll no. Floating rubber ducky. Granted, there's only one large US flagged vessel they own, and the others are/were manned by Norweign/Filipinos. That boat was too small to spend 28+ days on.

 

[MaroonNation]

But think of all the people you are giving coverage to by working for them...

Oh my man you have no idea how many times I have had patients who didn't qualify for LTAC benefits with "great insurance" only to see the dregs of society qualify with no issues whatsoever. You have no idea how true your statement is.

 

[MaroonNation]

When I saw Beenie Thompson was on the union side spitting out his usual garbage, thought it would get knocked down. Saw the NAACP dude comparing it to the civil rights struggles. Shocker.

I have a feeling the vote was pretty much right down the color line. Maybe someone who works there could give us an estimate of the workforce makeup. And before some snowflake gets the offended and calls this racism I can assure the study of statistics uses the exact same information to predict outcomes all the time. That's why every government form you use asks for demographics.

 

[wpmusm]

Here ya go:

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/local/2017/02/25/nissan-canton-uaw-union-bernie-sanders/97836276/

At the Mississippi facility, where roughly 80 percent of workers are black, UAW emphasizes the area's past in its messaging. Hanging in its offices on Nissan Parkway is a large photo of Martin Luther King Jr. with big letters, "Workers rights are civil rights."

 

[LawDawg97]

Not even close

I have a feeling the vote was pretty much right down the color line.

About 80% of the workforce there is African-American. So no, the 60% against the union had a good portion of all workers, not just white. I knew several black workers personally that were anti union.

Wrong again MaronNation

 

[MaroonNation]

Well that's only one thing I was wrong about so that's a great improvement. I'm impressed then considering no one can enlist as many downtrodden people as the UAW. The fact they couldn't get it passed shows that things were not nearly as bad at Nissan as they portrayed them to be.
ETA: and I'm not clicking on a Clarion Ledger link. Sorry.

 

[The Usual Suspect]

Well that's only one thing I was wrong about so that's a great improvement. I'm impressed then considering no one can enlist as many downtrodden people as the UAW. The fact they couldn't get it passed shows that things were not nearly as bad at Nissan as they portrayed them to be.
ETA: and I'm not clicking on a Clarion Ledger link. Sorry.

Maybe people realize that it's better to have an above average job then to risk not having a job for a few reasons? The main reason car companies have built plants all over the South is no union, not skilled labor.

 

[Bucky Dog]

The that no thatbis killing healthcare is exactly the government and Obamacare, which has made the insurance companies the ones with the golden parachutes! They own pharma and the doctors and until they open up interstate trade for insurance it won't get much better.

as far as the unions go, please make them go away and the sense of entitlement snowflake agenda, will mostly go away with it!

 

[MaroonNation]

A Democrat largely cannot get elected nationally without the help of labor unions so don't expect them to go anywhere.

 

[biguglyjoe]

God bless Mississippi.

 

[dannyripms]

Hate to tell yall,Obama care has nothing to do with insurance going up and getting worse. that's been happening since the 80's but yet corporations report record profits every year. the middle class has been getting the shaft for a long time. it's time for corporations to start giving some of that profit back to the employees.