Does anyone remember a 2016 boneyard?

[wtw2400]

Where Steve said that Freeze had been asking around who Steve Robertson was and why he was saying "negative" things about him. I remember it for some reason and thought to myself why does he care what one person says? And then I hear a Dan Wolken interview last week where WOlken says that Freeze came up to him on multiple occasions asking him why he was saying "negative" things about him. What I think we all underestimated was not only did Freeze have a huge ego, but he wanted to make sure every person tied to a media outlet of some sort worshiped him so that way no one would do any digging into his past. And with the way the media is today, it worked. All he had to do was call various media outlets, and they would report it like its fact. No one did any additional digging, because they didn't want to hurt their connections to Mississippi. But today Mark comes out with his article along with several other media outlets as Bryan noted. Mark is only used in times of great crisis if you will. He was all over the 2013 FSU Rape Scandal and the Baylor 2016 Rape Scandal.

I am not buying that Ole Miss was able to go through 39,000 phone calls in 3 days(Bjork said great things about Freeze Monday fires him Thursday). They knew. For how long? Who knows. but it was "a pattern". Bjork has claimed it wasn't recruiting but he also said the violations occurred under Nutt which got him and UMiss in this mess in the first place. So call me just a bit skeptical of anything Bjork says. I don't know if they will find it. But I think this past week has confirmed to me what I've suspected or what has been rumored. Recruits and maybe underage recruits(a good percentage of hs recruits are under 18) were involved with this hooker situation. There is no reason why Freeze wouldn't just use a service in Memphis if he was doing this for himself. And as we all know, he was in Oxford MS when he made the call.

So what is my point? At this point this is bad. what are in the two letters. But its not death penalty bad. Multi Year Bowl Ban, multi year probation, and loss of scholarships. Vacated Wins and Show Causes for coaches are obvious. But I will tell you what would be the nightmare scenario for Ole Miss is. The NCAA digs in and finds validity to this hooker stuff. Not only would that fall into the window of repeat violator(which they might be in that category already) but that would be a combination of hookers, pay for play, fake prophet coach(not a violation but it just pisses me off, maybe it pisses them off), and an institution that lied and didn't show exemplary cooperation. If the NCAA ever gives the Death Penalty again it will be to this university. Because as much as people want to already give Baylor the death penalty, Baylor would only have a fraction of what UMiss will have committed when you add it all up.

 

[bulldognation]

I think Bjork and company knew what was going on. Only reason they dumped Freeze was because Nutts legal team shone light on the situation. The administration had no choice but to
cut him loose and try to limit what else gets publicized with the phone records.

But part of me hopes they do get out there. Those are my tax dollars going to pay for those state issued devices. I think all Mississippians have a right to know.

Remember, the device he lined up escorts with was the same device he was tweeting bible verses on.

 

[drt7891]

For the first time in this whole ordeal, their hand was 100% forced. They had no other option. Someone with a voice had dirt on Freeze and was going to share so with or without OM's help.

There is incentive for OM and Freeze to say this is all on Freeze. Now they will stick to that lie until their hand is forced again.... but rest assured, there are some determined individuals who have been made fools already who can uncover the truth. There is no "respect for privacy..." that is a defense position. This all occurred using a State issued telephone all while making almost $5MM/year. 17 his "privacy" with that. He knew what the deal was when he signed up.

Question for HD6... are all those old Boneyards saved? You could probably sell an archive as it relates to this story. Id be interested in hearing it play out from the beginning.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

All coaches phone calls are logged and compared to the detail billing of the phone. This is a normal compliance office activity...... if there was a "pattern", they have known for some time....

 

[maroonmania]

Where Steve said that Freeze had been asking around who Steve Robertson was and why he was saying "negative" things about him. I remember it for some reason and thought to myself why does he care what one person says? And then I hear a Dan Wolken interview last week where WOlken says that Freeze came up to him on multiple occasions asking him why he was saying "negative" things about him. What I think we all underestimated was not only did Freeze have a huge ego, but he wanted to make sure every person tied to a media outlet of some sort worshiped him so that way no one would do any digging into his past. And with the way the media is today, it worked. All he had to do was call various media outlets, and they would report it like its fact. No one did any additional digging, because they didn't want to hurt their connections to Mississippi. But today Mark comes out with his article along with several other media outlets as Bryan noted. Mark is only used in times of great crisis if you will. He was all over the 2013 FSU Rape Scandal and the Baylor 2016 Rape Scandal.

I am not buying that Ole Miss was able to go through 39,000 phone calls in 3 days(Bjork said great things about Freeze Monday fires him Thursday). They knew. For how long? Who knows. but it was "a pattern". Bjork has claimed it wasn't recruiting but he also said the violations occurred under Nutt which got him and UMiss in this mess in the first place. So call me just a bit skeptical of anything Bjork says. I don't know if they will find it. But I think this past week has confirmed to me what I've suspected or what has been rumored. Recruits and maybe underage recruits(a good percentage of hs recruits are under 18) were involved with this hooker situation. There is no reason why Freeze wouldn't just use a service in Memphis if he was doing this for himself. And as we all know, he was in Oxford MS when he made the call.

So what is my point? At this point this is bad. what are in the two letters. But its not death penalty bad. Multi Year Bowl Ban, multi year probation, and loss of scholarships. Vacated Wins and Show Causes for coaches are obvious. But I will tell you what would be the nightmare scenario for Ole Miss is. The NCAA digs in and finds validity to this hooker stuff. Not only would that fall into the window of repeat violator(which they might be in that category already) but that would be a combination of hookers, pay for play, fake prophet coach(not a violation but it just pisses me off, maybe it pisses them off), and an institution that lied and didn't show exemplary cooperation. If the NCAA ever gives the Death Penalty again it will be to this university. Because as much as people want to already give Baylor the death penalty, Baylor would only have a fraction of what UMiss will have committed when you add it all up.

Two things I am adamantly sure about at this stage. Hugh Freeze personally had a sex problem AND Hugh Freeze was also using sex to sell his football program to football recruits. From the stories and wild party recruiting visit weekends (recruitapalooza as it was called) the latter has been pretty obvious for a long time if anyone was paying attention. Now granted, it really wasn't confirmed that Freeze had his own personal sex problem until this week BUT it had long been rumored about his escapades while at Briarcrest and even some rumors lately about things going on in Oxford. Back to the recruits, like I said, sex was definitely being used as a tool to entice recruits but guess we will have to see if the women doing the 'entertaining' on these visits were professionals or just campus co-ed amateurs?? At least for the first time ever there are actually people besides Rosebowl digging for the truth.

 

[bulldognation]

You mean they have been complicit with it this whole time.

 

[memphisbulldog]

Where Steve said that Freeze had been asking around who Steve Robertson was and why he was saying "negative" things about him. I remember it for some reason and thought to myself why does he care what one person says? And then I hear a Dan Wolken interview last week where WOlken says that Freeze came up to him on multiple occasions asking him why he was saying "negative" things about him. What I think we all underestimated was not only did Freeze have a huge ego, but he wanted to make sure every person tied to a media outlet of some sort worshiped him so that way no one would do any digging into his past. And with the way the media is today, it worked. All he had to do was call various media outlets, and they would report it like its fact. No one did any additional digging, because they didn't want to hurt their connections to Mississippi. But today Mark comes out with his article along with several other media outlets as Bryan noted. Mark is only used in times of great crisis if you will. He was all over the 2013 FSU Rape Scandal and the Baylor 2016 Rape Scandal.

I am not buying that Ole Miss was able to go through 39,000 phone calls in 3 days(Bjork said great things about Freeze Monday fires him Thursday). They knew. For how long? Who knows. but it was "a pattern". Bjork has claimed it wasn't recruiting but he also said the violations occurred under Nutt which got him and UMiss in this mess in the first place. So call me just a bit skeptical of anything Bjork says. I don't know if they will find it. But I think this past week has confirmed to me what I've suspected or what has been rumored. Recruits and maybe underage recruits(a good percentage of hs recruits are under 18) were involved with this hooker situation. There is no reason why Freeze wouldn't just use a service in Memphis if he was doing this for himself. And as we all know, he was in Oxford MS when he made the call.

So what is my point? At this point this is bad. what are in the two letters. But its not death penalty bad. Multi Year Bowl Ban, multi year probation, and loss of scholarships. Vacated Wins and Show Causes for coaches are obvious. But I will tell you what would be the nightmare scenario for Ole Miss is. The NCAA digs in and finds validity to this hooker stuff. Not only would that fall into the window of repeat violator(which they might be in that category already) but that would be a combination of hookers, pay for play, fake prophet coach(not a violation but it just pisses me off, maybe it pisses them off), and an institution that lied and didn't show exemplary cooperation. If the NCAA ever gives the Death Penalty again it will be to this university. Because as much as people want to already give Baylor the death penalty, Baylor would only have a fraction of what UMiss will have committed when you add it all up.

I'm not giving freeze any credit for anything but still don't believe the hookers were for anyone but his own personal use.

As far is the 39,000 calls go, you would be surprised how quickly an intern could download those phone numbers and then run them through a Google search. Keep in mind, also, they could've turned up multiple hits in the first 1000 emails.

 

[patdog]

I'm not giving freeze any credit for anything but still don't believe the hookers were for anyone but his own personal use.

Amazes me how gullible so many people, including the media, are. There have been rumors and stories about what goes on at their recruiting weekends for years. He calls an escort service a week before their biggest recruiting weekend of 2016. And virtually no one makes the connection. I don't know for a fact why he called that number. But if I'm a journalist, I'm damn sure asking the question.

 

[RocketDawg]

I'm not giving freeze any credit for anything but still don't believe the hookers were for anyone but his own personal use.

As far is the 39,000 calls go, you would be surprised how quickly an intern could download those phone numbers and then run them through a Google search. Keep in mind, also, they could've turned up multiple hits in the first 1000 emails.

Think they were looking for emails and texts as well as regular telephone calls? His contact list might be interesting too. And don't forget ... he could easily have a burner phone on the side that nobody knows about.

 

[MeridianDog]

We were watching "Last Chance U" the other day and EMCC players had come back from a trip to Oxford and was in the office with the Lady Counselor. He told her ha had just come back and "Was in Love with Ole Miss." She asked him "Why was he in love?" and he responded, "With the women at OM." She suggested that he base his future on more than that with comments about a party culture and how that might affect his grades. He just looked at her e she was crazy.