I find it odd..

[Deltaduckhunter]

That so much is now coming out around Briarcrest. From what I have seen on twitter it almost seems organized.

It makes me wonder if this is an attempt to further lead everyone to see Freeze as "having a problem", instead of asking questions like, "were the phone calls for him or for his recruits". It seems like further distraction from what really went on here.

 

[dawgstudent]

I think it's more of a case that - if the Briarcrest stuff is true - these girls smell blood and feel safer telling their story.

 

[Deltaduckhunter]

That may be true. If so, it certainly helps OMs case that this was 100% Freeze and nothing to do with recruiting.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Even Bill Cosby thinks that is BS!

 

[AlSwearengen]

I think it's more of a case that - if the Briarcrest stuff is true - these girls smell blood and feel safer telling their story.

I agree with this. There have been strong rumors about briarcrest since the day ole miss hired him. I also think Touhy knew what he was getting with freeze and it made hiring him at ole miss logical. Ole miss has recruited with hookers during a couple of other coachs' tenures and a coach that has messed with teenagers would not be against this type stuff. Bottom line is ole miss hired who they are. They have known freeze for a long time.

 

[MaroonOldCrow]

I can hear the discussion during his hiring interview:


Hiring panel member: "Beav, we've heard some disconcerting rumors about your time at Briarcrest."


His Holiness the Beav: "I, uh, may have lusted in my heart."


Hiring panel member: "Well dammit, we can't have rumors like that floating around our program. Keep it in your pants. Or if you can't, at least stay away from the students. Go find some floozy hairdresser or hire a hooker in some other town or something."

 

[engie]

I'm missing how painting Freeze as a deviant liar "helps" OM in any way. They are the ones with 100s of pages defending his character in their official response to the NOA.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

I suspect they are preparing an ammended response.

And if hookers are for prospective student athletes....very bad.

 

[MaroonOldCrow]

You'll know the meltdown is complete when Yancy starts claiming that Freeze was planted by Mullen to bring down OM as a part of the overall conspiracy.

 

[Deltaduckhunter]

One thing that hasn't really been reported on is the history of this kind of stuff at UM. Billy Brewer got hit in 1986 and again in 1994 for some of the same allegations now on the table. Looking back over their history of coaches, I think Billy Brewer, Coach O, and Freeze were the coaches that let the network do it's thing. I always heard that Tuberville wasn't happy with boosters telling him what to do and I don't think Cutcliff went along, which is why he was fired.

 

[Shmuley]

If I'm a black bear supporter, my #1 concern right now is whether there is something Baylor-esque that has gone on and the phone records contain the evidence.

 

[Shmuley]

And my concern would be heightened by the warp speed firing of beaver. The manner of the dismissal raises all sorts of red flags.

 

[Shmuley]

It would be just like the scientologists to do this!!11!1!

 

[DerHntr]

I think it's more of a case that - if the Briarcrest stuff is true - these girls smell blood and feel safer telling their story.

Agreed. He has been protected for a long time and accusations swept under the rug. Now that it's out, they feel safe because people will believe them rather than vilify them.

 

[patdog]

They can't file an amended response. And if they change their story now, it makes it worse for them instead of better. Were you lying to us then about Freeze running a clean program or are you lying to us now that he's the one responsible for all the trouble. For better or worse, they've chosen their defense and they're going to have to run with it, which is exactly what they're doing. They're painting this as something completely separate from any NCAA accusations.

 

[josebrown]

And my concern would be heightened by the warp speed firing of beaver. The manner of the dismissal raises all sorts of red flags.

They haven't done anything during this entire investigation that fast. It even took them several months to get rid of Barney. Almost like they had it ready to go the second they needed it.

 

[Deltaduckhunter]

I'm missing how painting Freeze as a deviant liar "helps" OM in any way. They are the ones with 100s of pages defending his character in their official response to the NOA.

Wan't saying painting him as a liar helps. I said painting him as having a history of sex addition does. If they were providing these benefits to recruits, they want the media and NCAA to quickly move to, "Freeze just has a problem", versus maybe looking a little deeper.

 

[patdog]

A UM friend of mine said he had a t-shirt from the 1986 probation that said, "Ole Miss: strippers, cars, cash, why go anywhere else?"

 

[engie]

Wan't saying painting him as a liar helps. I said painting him as having a history of sex addition does. If they were providing these benefits to recruits, they want the media and NCAA to quickly move to, "Freeze just has a problem", versus maybe looking a little deeper.

I think you are months -- if not years -- behind in how you perceive the media to view Freeze. There is blood in the water and everyone is digging now. You know there is something to be nervous about when Godfrey has a piece out within an hour of the firing saying "nothing more to see here".

 

[Dawgg]

That may be true. If so, it certainly helps OMs case that this was 100% Freeze and nothing to do with recruiting.

Fourth post?

My Grey-Dar just went off a little bit. Smells like bear up in this mutha 17a.

 

[bulldognation]

When you're dirty, anyone who isn't still in your boat is rogue.

 

[Deltaduckhunter]

Fourth post?

My Grey-Dar just went off a little bit. Smells like bear up in this mutha 17a.

Whatever. I graduated from MSU and have been a Bulldog Club member/ticket holder for 12 years. I have read this page more since recent developments and even then I don't post much.

So do you automatically claim someone is a bear when they don't have many posts?

 

[Dawgg]

So do you automatically claim someone is a bear when they don't have many posts?

Nope. Only when they don't have many posts, start a new thread, and produce conjecture like this:

That may be true. If so, it certainly helps OMs case that this was 100% Freeze and nothing to do with recruiting.

 

[Deltaduckhunter]

So I post that I think there is more going on, but the briarcrest stuff is a distraction from a recruiting scandal. Someone challenges that and I say, well that would help OM. That makes you speculate I am a bear. Based on your post I speculate you are either 15 years old or retarded.

 

[DudyDog]

A UM friend of mine said he had a t-shirt from the 1986 probation that said, "Ole Miss: strippers, cars, cash, why go anywhere else?"

To elaborate a little further....there is a cartoon type drawing on the shirt of a guy driving a convertible, large breasted woman in the passenger seat with no top on, and money flying out of the back of the car. The caption says, "Ole Miss football...Cash, cars, and naked women. Who would want to go anyplace else?"

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

Whatever. I graduated from MSU and have been a Bulldog Club member/ticket holder for 12 years. I have read this page more since recent developments and even then I don't post much.

So do you automatically claim someone is a bear when they don't have many posts?

Yes.

 

[mount lefroy]

I'm missing how painting Freeze as a deviant liar "helps" OM in any way. They are the ones with 100s of pages defending his character in their official response to the NOA.

Come on engie. He's an INDIVIDUAL that is now FIRED by OM. It helps them say what they have been saying this whole time. "That this is all the work of someone that we have sent away"

Hell, they know it's going to be bad. But an argument can be made that it is less bad due to OM's actions. That is a mitigating factor if shoved down the throat of the media and the public. It's not really. And MSU fans know it. NCAA knows it. But the public doesnt. OM wants the image of being duped by a Swaggart/Falwell type charleton.

But the rub is this: OM knows this isnt an issue of a deviant con artist with a sexual addiction. This is an issue about being found out that their deviant con artist with the sexual addicion was being manipulated to do as he was told.

You are one of the best I know of deriving what stats mean. But if you cant see this, you are just being thick skulled.

 

[CEO2044]

nm

 

[RocketDawg]

And things have been strangely quiet since last Thursday night. No word from the Beav, Bjork, or anybody officially connected with the Bears as far as I can tell.

 

[engie]

OM is going before the COI standing by their response, which spends hundreds of pages building up Hugh Freeze's character while tearing down the character of everyone around him. They have to stand by their response that he's a great moral beacon incapable of NCAA infractions. Knowing what we now know simply makes an incredibly weak case they had on the front end even weaker.