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RutherfordBHayes

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Rebel lurkers,

Let me explain to you what we State fans truly believe about your situation because you seem to not get it. This isn't trolling, like most of our posts. This is the truth.

You cheated and got caught. That's the crux of the matter. Your program has admitted to all but a few of the most serious allegations. It's obvious you only dispute the more serious ones to avoid the hammer. We would do this too. In short, you've already admitted to cheating.

This isn't some conspiracy. It is outright lunacy to think that Dan Mullen would or even could manipulate the NCAA in an investigation. No way on earth that he would get involved, much less have some kids lie. It's insanity to think that Sankey got involved. Squashing NCAA investigations isn't exactly in his job description, and, frankly, he doesn't have any say in them anyway. The height of absurdity is to think that Templeton has any clout at all. That man, goes to Birmingham a couple of times a year, stays in a fancy hotel, eats fancy meals, and sits in a big conference that puts the schedules together, whooppee. This all just defies logic. The simplest, most reasonable explanation is that you cheated and the process is running its course.

Leo and Kobe aren't lying. I know you guys are sue happy, so I'm not going to "defame" anyone. But they're just not. Mississippi is a small community, we all know each other and talk. That line of reasoning is driving down a dead end road.

The media is not giving you any positive press because your AD and coaches lied to them and to the 2016 recruits. There is really no denying it. The reporters admit as such, and now we have the phone records in the Nutt lawsuit. Reporters take that stuff personally. They're kind of juvenile that way, so don't expect any favors from them. This was probably your dumbest move. Twain said something to the effect of 'never get into a disagreement with someone that buys ink by the barrel". Your only move is to apologize. Even then...

The NCAA realizes that when they uncover 21 violations amongst coaches, kids, and boosters who have it in their best interest to hide violations, there are probably hundreds of violations that they couldn't prove. This isn't a court of law where you are innocent until proven guilty. If they know your cheating elsewhere, they will hammer you on the evidence they can prove. Just ask Jackie Sherrill.

These are bad allegations. I know you say it's just sleeping on a couch, a few thousand dollars, previous staff, and an interest free loan. But it's much more. It is coaches introducing players to boosters. Bringing boosters to meet with recruits. Your head coach involved in it. Coaches intentionally breaking rules. 14 boosters involved illegally with recruiting... that they can prove. How many could they not prove? 30? 50? This is what's so serious.

This whole thing has been a dragged out, sloppy mess because your administration is incompetent. If you release the NOA, fire the guilty parties, suspend the guilty players, take decisive action as soon as possible, this thing would've been over before draft day. You would be halfway through your probation and moving on. But, you are petulant school children and tried to fight it. You're still trying to fight. And it's gotten as bad as it possibly could get and will probably get worse because you're stupid.

Finally, we want you to keep Freeze. We are hoping that you retain him. Because Freeze' only success came when he has the 5 stars. He was 5-7 last year with the 2013 stars gone and the NCAA cloud. He's a good coach, we know that. But he's mostly good because of recruiting. And since he obviously recruits through cheating, his succcess should all end. But if he keeps cheating, well, you're under the NCAA microscope and that will end even worse. Either way is fine with us.

That's some cold, hard truth. I know you won't believe it because you prefer comfortable lies to hard truth (cough* Spirit *cough). I probably can't blame you. Good luck with that.

Your friend,
Pres. H.

P. S. Rosebowl was and continues to be right. Hurts don't it?
 

RutherfordBHayes

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You can't reason with the willfully ignorant.

But good post*
I have to believe that there is a silent majority that hold rational, facts-based opinions. That the only ones posting online are the morons (hey, Chuck) because the normal ones are just keeping their mouths shut.

I hope so, anyway.
 
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I have to believe that there is a silent majority that hold rational, facts-based opinions. That the only ones posting online are the morons (hey, Chuck) because the normal ones are just keeping their mouths shut.

I hope so, anyway.

I used to think this, but even those I would consider rational I know in real life (not message board folks) are still in lock step behind Freeze.
 

RutherfordBHayes

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I used to think this, but even those I would consider rational I know in real life (not message board folks) are still in lock step behind Freeze.
I get the whole, best-coach-we've-had-since-the-moonlanding narrative, so I don't really blame them for that. Letting go is hard.
But there's a difference between "I hope we can keep him" and "it's all a witch-hunt based on a web of lies".
One is rational, the other is psychosis.
 

Leeshouldveflanked

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I have to believe that there is a silent majority that hold rational, facts-based opinions. That the only ones posting online are the morons (hey, Chuck) because the normal ones are just keeping their mouths shut.

I hope so, anyway.

Nah.... they all crazy.... even the ones who have never been to beautiful Oxford.
 

Maroon Eagle

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I have to believe that there is a silent majority that hold rational, facts-based opinions. That the only ones posting online are the morons (hey, Chuck) because the normal ones are just keeping their mouths shut.

I hope so, anyway.

It's more that the audience is known to be what they are which is why the posts are what they are.
 

Resolved

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That is a damn good summary of the situation. Here's your point that cannot be emphasized enough: The NCAA only PROVED 21 violations, but they realize there were dozens, if not hundreds more that were well hidden. They are neither naive or stupid. Hence the LOIC charge.

Rebels, my friends (and yes I have several good ones), you need to stock up on KY Jelly cause it's coming hard and dry. It may not be until Nov, and you may have a great 2017 season, but it's coming.
 

T-TownDawgg

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Very Well done. I speak only for me, but it feels like validation, not revenge. To entertain the notion that MSU orchestrated this whole saga is an indication of a serious lithium imbalance.

I've been telling people for years, this is total hoseshit; it's why I have come to hate recruiting. State puts in the work, spends the time, gets and holds on to verbal commits, only to get the rug pulled out on us the day before signing. Over. And. Over. Mullen caught SO much heat over recruiting for so many years. Then comes all the rumors. Social media chatter. Pics of recruits with wads of cash. Maw and Paw gettin heppin by means of jobs or housing. So blatant and in your face, dirty pool.

Nobody cared. "Let those hicks in MS devour one another," they said. Then Ole Miss took their act on the road. People started to notice. Heavyweights like bama and Georgia were like "What. The. Hell."

"See! Those 17ers are shameless dirty cheating bastards!", we cried. Welcome to the party, dubmasses. We haven't been whining after all. Validation. At long last even the Clarion Ledger is searching for a way out, or a rock to hide under. 17 them all. Burn, baby burn.
 

dawgface

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that is a terrific well-thought-out and presented summary and i don't think those 21 allegations proved did not even get into the draft night debacle, the gas-mask bhong and all that other attendant excitement.....it'd be interesting to see who the dissociated boosters are; i gotta believe that the guy who picked the head coach is close to the top of the list
 

RutherfordBHayes

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that is a terrific well-thought-out and presented summary and i don't think those 21 allegations proved did not even get into the draft night debacle, the gas-mask bhong and all that other attendant excitement.....it'd be interesting to see who the dissociated boosters are; i gotta believe that the guy who picked the head coach is close to the top of the list
Which reminds me; the draft night Tunsil text isn't in the allegations. That's because the 2 coaches wouldn't confess and Tunsil wouldn't consent to be interviewed. But it is plain that they had an arrangement to pay Ms. Tunsil's bills. So, the evidence is circumstantial without testimony. But do you think the NCAA enforcement won't consider this? Of course they will.
Again, this isn't court with rules about what a jury can be told. They know. Whether they can prove it or not.
 

thatsbaseball

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The money they supposedly gave LL is literally chicken feed compared to their cumulative outlay for the 2013 class. They really did a nice job keeping that class clean enough to not be in the "official" allegations but I'm with you on this. I have to believe the NCAA is fully aware of what went on and there will be punishment added covertly for that miracle signing class.
 

RutherfordBHayes

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The money they supposedly gave LL is literally chicken feed compared to their cumulative outlay for the 2013 class. They really did a nice job keeping that class clean enough to not be in the "official" allegations but I'm with you on this. I have to believe the NCAA is fully aware of what went on and there will be punishment added covertly for that miracle signing class.
That money would've been just to visit on the big crootin weekend. Big money would've come after signing.
 

dawgstudent

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Freeze is the equivalent of a "Christian Moving Service" that uses God for that persons benefit. If you are going to stand at the pulpit and preach like he does, you better do it 100% in my mind. And I have always said - you can't be a college football coach and preach the way he does. It's too dirty.

Even Dabo is not life Freeze.
 
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