The RR lawsuit is a smart play

[LesterFreeman]

What do you have to lose? Ole Miss has already pushed all in with their response. It was a bold move and probably going to blow up in their face.

Now you get RR to come in and sue the two star witnesses and a bunch of John Does before the COI meets. You hope this scares the COI into not wanting to face a lawsuit so they take the self-imposed penalties and maybe throw in a few more scholarships so it looks like you have teeth. But the COI says there is not evidence to be able to make a decision on the RR stuff and that takes the 2 year bowl ban and LOIC penalty off the table. After the ruling, the RR lawsuit will be withdrawn, or fade away and never sees a court room. And neither side really wants to depose players and coaches.

Short term they have nothing to lose. Without it, they are going to get drilled. And they don't care about the possible long term consequences because in their mind there will be none.

All part of the script.

 

[LTblows]

Where are you people getting "takes the 2 year bowl ban and LOIC off the table"?

How the 17 did you get from A to B on that one? Don't say stupid ****.

 

[BossDawg78]

They are going to get drilled regardless.

 

[codeDawg]

The other side of this is that these kids get on the stand and are well prepared. They lose the suit and have given other schools negative recruiting material for years to come. The NCAA decides to go all in on the death penalty for exposing student athletes. Coaches have to testify under oath and sure up decade long show causes.

I mean, this could get worse for them.

 

[Faustdog]

...But the COI says there is not evidence to be able to make a decision on the RR stuff and that takes the 2 year bowl ban and LOIC penalty off the table...

Lol, no. This in no way takes that off the table. You will still be found guilty of the RR violations. And if not, the violations the school admits to are enough for LOIC.

 

[MaroonNation]

Why does everyone assume the NCAA can be intimidated. The ncaa is made up of nothing but lawyers for the most part. Any appearance of past fear in the NCAA to punish a school is more due to imcompetance of its administration in the past. Totally different entity now. The NCAA today is a much more efficient beast. There will be no bumbling around this time.

 

[MSUDawg25]

Now you get RR to come in and sue the two star witnesses and a bunch of John Does before the COI meets.

At first I read this as "two-star witnesses" like rivals and 24/7 were ranking testimonial ability now.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Two things to keep in mind.... 1. As far as the NCAA goes, this lawsuit is irrelevant to the NOA's and if anything strengthens fhe LOIC argument. 2. Jackie Sherrill's defamation suit is still ongoing.

 

[TrueMaroonGrind]

Pass. If the COI worried about lawsuits they would never hand down punishment.

 

[bulldognation]

Repeat after me:

21 violations. 15 Level 1s.

Everyone is watching this case. The NCAA knows that they set the tone with this one. OM is about to get hammered and they know it. The RR case isn't about lessening the penalties at all... it's about the business' future. Which, I find ironic that they are sacrificing the future in exchange for the present. It would be a Pyrrhic victory at best. Let this lawsuit play out and see how many schools can sway Recruit X and his Momma/Step-dad from even considering OM in the future. That coupled with the accepted fact that there will be additional scholarships lost and almost certainly another year bowl ban should all but relegate them to bitter obscurity for a decade.

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

"State flipped a 4 Star witness from OM just before the trial. Merry Flipmas!" **

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

Fast Forward to Six Pack Message Board June 2022 - "what ever happened with that RR lawsuit?"

 

[Drebin]

At first I read this as "two-star witnesses" like rivals and 24/7 were ranking testimonial ability now.

to be fair, the poster of that is a two star poster.

 

[SanfordRJones]

I knew your post was going to be stupid when I saw that you misspelled your own name. It's Freamon, not Freeman.

 

[aTotal360]

I think they've accepted the fact they are getting hammered. Now they just want to create as much collateral damage as possible to appease their masses.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

21 violations,15 Level 1 covering 2 coaching staffs & 2 ADs

This is textbook "culture of noncompliance"

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

No. The opposite.

This lawsuit will be handled well after the COI decision this fall. The court system is slow.

This lawsuit proves to the COI that they will do anything to avoid consequences. It's a spit-in-the-eye, desperate move. The COI has no incentive to go easy now. In fact, the NCAA certainly doesn't want to encourage lawsuits, so they are now forced to make an example.

The hammer must drop.

 

[The Peeper]

Forgive my lack of knowledge of the law but do the defendants have to testify in this case or does plaintiff have to prove their side without defendants testimony?

 

[Junction John]

I think you're exactly right on this. Terry Funk is looking to gain cool points

for himself and his store among the die hard bear crowd by "bringing down Leo". They are like a drowning man, clawing and grabbing at everything around them as they go down.

I think they've accepted the fact they are getting hammered. Now they just want to create as much collateral damage as possible to appease their masses.

 

[engie]

So what is the factual penalties difference between 15 level 1s, 13 level 1s, and anything above 6 level 1s using the ncaa's shiny new penalty matrix? I humbly submit that they are all the same -- because getting hit with the full weight of them is tantamount to a death penalty. In 6 level 1s, the NCAA has enough to level a 12 year bowl ban in that structure if they so choose.

The real question is whether the NCAA wants to continue to allow OM to exist. If they do(and I certainly think that they do), there is a theoretical max they can hit them with. And that theoretical max is still the same and still applicable regardless of this bs they are arguing and if they removed every contested charge. One would think that their fighting is now only pressing on the ncaa's desire to allow them to continue playing the games at all for the next 10-15 years. To pretend this isn't an option is to ignore the ncaa's own new rulebook -- which is essentially at stake in this case.

They were getting hammered the same with the first 8 level 1s that they will get with the extra 7. Them so drastically underpinning the initial penalties looks genius now -- because people instinctively imagine that's what this case goes back to if they get LOIC and Leo's testimony thrown out, when those self-imposed penalties were actually a bs joke then and is another bs joke now. Slapping the NCAA in the face at every opportunity. The NCAA is going to hit them as hard as they think they possibly can that allows them to keep playing the games in the SEC.

 

[vandaldawg]

When did he get his second star?

to be fair, the poster of that is a two star poster.

nm

 

[GloryDawg]

What do you have to lose? Ole Miss has already pushed all in with their response. It was a bold move and probably going to blow up in their face.

Now you get RR to come in and sue the two star witnesses and a bunch of John Does before the COI meets. You hope this scares the COI into not wanting to face a lawsuit so they take the self-imposed penalties and maybe throw in a few more scholarships so it looks like you have teeth. But the COI says there is not evidence to be able to make a decision on the RR stuff and that takes the 2 year bowl ban and LOIC penalty off the table. After the ruling, the RR lawsuit will be withdrawn, or fade away and never sees a court room. And neither side really wants to depose players and coaches.

Short term they have nothing to lose. Without it, they are going to get drilled. And they don't care about the possible long term consequences because in their mind there will be none.

All part of the script.

Rebel Rags might have accepted that Ole Miss going to get hammered and said screw them we are going into self preservation mode.

 

[Drebin]

Forgive my lack of knowledge of the law but do the defendants have to testify in this case or does plaintiff have to prove their side without defendants testimony?

If it goes that far they would most assuredly have to testify. At the very least they will be deposed. I kinda think this whole thing is a ruse and they just want to be able to depose them and get something incriminating on the record

We have read in multiple places now that Ole Miss was dismayed that they didn't have an opportunity to cross interview witnesses. This would be their opportunity.

This case will never see a courtroom. I'm not sure that's the goal anyway.

 

[HardyStreetAlumniClub]

Two things to keep in mind.... 1. As far as the NCAA goes, this lawsuit is irrelevant to the NOA's and if anything strengthens fhe LOIC argument. 2. Jackie Sherrill's defamation suit is still ongoing.

But Jackie filed a lawsuit against the NCAA, not individuals. We have to keep in mind that the University of Mississippi did not file this lawsuit, it was filed by a private citizen under his private business. Did the University have a strategy for RR to act? Maybe.... I don't think the NCAA will take this into consideration at all, unless testimony comes out that can be used in the NCAA case against Ole Miss (or testimony that could help them). This all won't matter because the NCAA will render their verdict before this even goes to court.

 

[engie]

Jackie filed against individuals as well within that suit.

 

[goindhoo]

Why hasn't the bagman sued Leo yet if Leo also lied about the money exchange?

 

[MeridianDog]

I think the NCAA penalty phase is about over as far as they are concerned. They work for the most part in private and have likely already decided what the punishment will be. I am certain about two things.

1 - There will be significant punishment imposed. If this were not a given, there would never have been 21 "crimes" in the charges presented.

2 - UM is struggling to hit the NCAA as hard as they can, all the way up to the "end of the world" day for UM. It will not help their case much at all. NCAA can drop one or two charges and still impose painful consequences for what UM has done.

 

[MeridianDog]

If I were RR I would be all over the place saying, "I live and breath Ole Miss and there is nothing I won't do for this university. Come shop with me. Hotty Toddy!"

If he takes the right attitude to the public it won't hurt his business at all.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

You hope this scares the COI?

If that is what is remotely in the plan... UM's nuts are ever closer to the bandsaw. Attempting to intimidate the NCAA either directly, or by show, is an extremely foolish move and most certainly will backfire. Every single member that gets punished always have fans that scream and threaten litigation. And in the end they still get the red hot rusty needle right in the eye.

Go ahead and move to the next stage chief, um is 17ed.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

But Jackie filed a lawsuit against the NCAA, not individuals. We have to keep in mind that the University of Mississippi did not file this lawsuit, it was filed by a private citizen under his private business. Did the University have a strategy for RR to act? Maybe.... I don't think the NCAA will take this into consideration at all, unless testimony comes out that can be used in the NCAA case against Ole Miss (or testimony that could help them). This all won't matter because the NCAA will render their verdict before this even goes to court.

The testimony was given to the NCAA after the NCAA reached out to LL and Kobe... the NCAA came to LL and Kobe and offered immunity...not the other way around... so the NCAA will be included sooner or later....