Mullen thread. The "last time we beat them"

[Sutterkane]

One trend I noticed especially starting in 2010, was that Mullen has had a knack for beating teams in the SEC that we've traditionally lost to. There is of course, one major exception to this, Alabama. Here are the last times we beat them prior to Mullen, and at least the first time we beat them under his tenure. The west isn't really all that different save LSU and Arkansas. Some of these dates are lopsided since we rarely play east teams. I'm wondering if to account for this, it'd be better to show the data as a number of wins streak they had prior to Mullen arriving. I've excluded Mizzou and A&M since they don't really factor into previous head coaches going back several people.

Alabama (no win yet) [2007]
Arkansas (2012) [2008]
Auburn (2012) [2007]
Florida (2010) [2004]
Georgia (2010) [1977]
Kentucky (2009) [2007]
LSU (2014) [1991]
Ole Miss (2009) [2007]
South Carolina (2016) [1999]
Tennessee (2012) [1994]
Vanderbilt (2009) [2008]

Lots of folks like to compare Jackie and Mullen, but Jackie almost always had problems with Georgia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and LSU. By contrast, Mullen seems to also have problems with LSU but also Alabama, where Jackie excelled.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

Jackie only beat LSU twice in his tenure.

 

[engie]

Mullen will be our all-time winningest coach before his best QB recruit to date at MSU ever takes a snap as a starter barring injury. He's beaten everyone in the conference other than Saban.

The only current head coaches in the conference that have beaten Saban in his time at Alabama is Sumlin with Manziel and Malzahn on the kick 6. *

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

We beat LSU in 1999

 

[AusTexDawg]

It still amazes me that Croom beat the Tide twice during their years in the wilderness, when Jackie couldn't beat LSU any more than he did during their even less successful down years in the '90s.

Seems to me that Mullen being able to win at Arkansas is a key part of our recent success. Croom-era probation aside, there's no structural reason why our program shouldn't have been evenly matched with theirs year-in and year-out, but for some reason they owned us outside of Starkville and were competitive at DWS, too.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Whoa!!! Engie made a mistake!!!***

Mullen will be our all-time winningest coach before his best QB recruit to date at MSU ever takes a snap as a starter barring injury. He's beaten everyone in the conference other than Saban.

The only current head coaches in the conference that have beaten Saban in his time at Alabama is Sumlin with Manziel and Malzahn on the kick 6. *

Hue Freezus has beaten Sabear as well, my man. Gotcha!

 

[MaroonNation]

Jackie only beat LSU twice in his tenure.

Jackie beat LSU in 99. When did he ever beat them other than '99? .

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

Jackie beat LSU in 99. When did he ever beat them other than '99? .

1991

 

[preacher_dawg]

He's probably considering those wins will probably officially be wiped off the record book.

 

[DancingRabbit]

His first year, 1991.

Jackie beat LSU in 99. When did he ever beat them other than '99? .

nm

 

[preacher_dawg]

Of course, present day Bama is much different than the Bama of Jackie's day.

 

[engie]

If a coach was there for 5 season and never actually won a game, was he ever really there at all?*

 

[Hoover Dawg]

Seems to me that Mullen being able to win at Arkansas is a key part of our recent success. Croom-era probation aside, there's no structural reason why our program shouldn't have been evenly matched with theirs year-in and year-out, but for some reason they owned us outside of Starkville and were competitive at DWS, too.

This is easy. Look at where we have played Arkansas most years, right between Alabama and Ole Miss.

A number of factors come into play, including opponent the week before/after, how good we/they were, and how hard we/they played. It all runs together. Bottom line is, outside of how good each team was, the environment was always conducive to them playing more 'up' than we were.

 

[garndawg]

Mullen will be our all-time winningest coach before his best QB recruit to date at MSU ever takes a snap as a starter barring injury. He's beaten everyone in the conference other than Saban.

The only current head coaches in the conference that have beaten Saban in his time at Alabama is Sumlin with Manziel and Malzahn on the kick 6. *

I hate to point it out, but, um *Freeze* <cough, cough="">...

Now I have to wash my fingers after typing that...</cough,>

 

[engie]

I hate to point it out, but, um *Freeze* <cough, cough="">...</cough,>

Has never even beaten Mullen*

 

[MarkDallas]

We beat LSU in 1999

On Homecoming no less.

 

[MSUDC11]

Jackie had a stretch where he went 8-2 against Bama and Auburn from 1996-2000. And it's not like Bama and Auburn sucked, they both won the West twice in that span.

Doing that today would be remarkable, although Mullen did have a 3-1 stretch against Auburn that ended this year. And that could've been a 6-0 run if you consider how we lost to them in 2010, 2011, and 2013.

 

[DAWG61]

Why are all the dates wrong next to Arkansas, Auburn, Kentucky, Old Misses, Vandy? did you copy and past this from 6 years ago

 

[BlueRidgeMtns]

I think he listed the first time mullen beat them.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I'm in no way

saying AL sucked back in the 90s, but you CANNO deny that they're on a whole different level, now.

There's no argument to be made against that.

 

[DAWG61]

I think he listed the first time mullen beat them.

Ok, it's a strange thread then since it's only 4 teams (5 with Bama) that we had significant losing streaks against (UGA, LSU, UT and USCe). Mullen has beaten all of those 4 so now our longest steak is Alabama. The lone wolf yet to be killed

 

[Palos verdes]

Mullen will never beat Alabama unless he can get an OL with at least 2 future draft picks, with solid starters, and two elite caliber WR's that can get separation down field.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Oh, that's it?****

*

 

[tatedog]

Record wise Jackie might have struggled with UT, but we were in some games down to the wire with them in which we had no business doing so (91, 98 ). I believe he also ruined Peyton's first game to play the majority of minutes as UT's qb in 94. No doubt LSU was his achilles heel though. Didn't matter how good we were or how bad they were (and in the 90's LSU was usually bad)--they owned us.

 

[tatedog]

Mullen will never beat Alabama unless he can get an OL with at least 2 future draft picks, with solid starters, and two elite caliber WR's that can get separation down field.

Having Bama cooperate with 5 turnovers (1 on the opening kickoff not involving contact from the opponent) and some catches off the defenders hands for touchdowns would help immensely as well.

 

[Hoover Dawg]

So, 2014 in other words. Minus Dak's red zone turnovers.

 

[bocephus.sixpack]

Record wise Jackie might have struggled with UT, but we were in some games down to the wire with them in which we had no business doing so (91, 98 ). I believe he also ruined Peyton's first game to play the majority of minutes as UT's qb in 94. No doubt LSU was his achilles heel though. Didn't matter how good we were or how bad they were (and in the 90's LSU was usually bad)--they owned us.

I was a GA on the 90-91 team which were JWS's 1st season and Rocky's last. We lined up in the wishbone and ran all over LSU that night. We only threw 4 passes and I think 2 of those were for a TD. William Prince, Michael Davis and Kenny Ray Roberts had a field day running the ball. But, LSU had a small WR (Hornsby) I think that's his name, with over 250 yds in receptions. We got the Liberty Bowl invitation in the locker room after the game. I will never forget 2 of ath administrators were complaining about the extra work on them, I kid you not. If you only knew what JWS had to deal with during his tenure. He had to show our administrators how to win, and he used the big 3 to talk to Templeton and make him get on board.

 

[tatedog]

I was a GA on the 90-91 team which were JWS's 1st season and Rocky's last. We lined up in the wishbone and ran all over LSU that night. We only threw 4 passes and I think 2 of those were for a TD. William Prince, Michael Davis and Kenny Ray Roberts had a field day running the ball. But, LSU had a small WR (Hornsby) I think that's his name, with over 250 yds in receptions. We got the Liberty Bowl invitation in the locker room after the game. I will never forget 2 of ath administrators were complaining about the extra work on them, I kid you not. If you only knew what JWS had to deal with during his tenure. He had to show our administrators how to win, and he used the big 3 to talk to Templeton and make him get on board.

Yep. People who think Larry Templeton was the only problem in our athletic dept at that time are sorely mistaken. No doubt it might have trickled down from the top, but apathy and entitlement were rampant.

 

[biscuit.sixpack]

This is easy. Look at where we have played Arkansas most years, right between Alabama and Ole Miss.

A number of factors come into play, including opponent the week before/after, how good we/they were, and how hard we/they played. It all runs together. Bottom line is, outside of how good each team was, the environment was always conducive to them playing more 'up' than we were.

Seems like Bama beats us twice every year. They usually just beat us up

 

[patdog]

No doubt about it. There was a 40-year culture of losing that Jackie had to deal with. Templeton was just a product of that culture. As much as we ***** about him (and with good reason), he was actually an improvement over the ADs we had before him.