Buy or sell: Frank Martin

[ronpolk]

Several on this board (bruiser and shoamon (sp?)) would have been screaming for Martin to be fired after year 2 and 3? Go take a look at his record at South Carolina.

 

[Shamoan]

You are full of ****. You have no idea what I think. GFY.

 

[mcdawg22]

You are full of ****. You have no idea what I think. GFY.

Definitely a buy now

 

[ronpolk]

You are full of ****. You have no idea what I think. GFY.

Trust me. We all know what you think after every game.

 

[engie]

Frank Martin

South Carolina Gamecocks (Southeastern Conference) <small style="font-size: 11.305px;">(2012–present)</small>
2012–13	South Carolina	14–18	4–14	T–12th
2013–14	South Carolina	14–20	5–13	13th
2014–15	South Carolina	17–16	6–12	T–11th
2015–16	South Carolina	25–9	11–7	T–3rd	NIT Second Round
2016–17	South Carolina	25–10	12–6	T–3rd	NCAA Elite Eight

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Bruce Pearl

Auburn (Southeastern Conference) <small style="font-size: 11.305px;">(2014–present)</small>
2014–15	Auburn	15–20	4–14	13th
2015–16	Auburn	11–20	5–13	13th
2016–17	Auburn	18–14	7–11	11th

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Ben Howland

Mississippi State Bulldogs (Southeastern Conference) <small style="font-size: 11.305px;">(2015–present)</small>
2015–16	Mississippi State	14–17	7–11	11th
2016–17	Mississippi State	16–16	6–12	12th

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Avery Johnson

Alabama Crimson Tide (Southeastern Conference) <small style="font-size: 11.305px;">(2015–present)</small>
2015–16	Alabama	18–15	8–10	10th	NIT First Round
2016–17	Alabama	19–15	10–8	T–5th	NIT First Round

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Rick Barnes

Tennessee Volunteers (Southeastern Conference) <small style="font-size: 11.305px;">(2015–Present)</small>
2015–16	Tennessee	15–19	6–12	12th
2016–17	Tennessee	16–16	8–10	T-9th

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Bryce Drew

Vanderbilt Commodores (Southeastern Conference) <small style="font-size: 11.305px;">(2016–present)</small>
2016–17	Vanderbilt	19–16	10–8	T–5th	NCAA First Round
Vanderbilt:	19–16 (.543)	10–8 (.556)

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Mike White

Florida Gators (Southeastern Conference) <small style="font-size: 11.305px;">(2015–present)</small>
2015–16	Florida	21–15	9–9	T–8th	NIT Quarterfinals
2016–17	Florida	27–8	14–4	2nd	NCAA

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There is a bunch of damn good coaches in this "still building" group. Adding at least one more good one back in Cuonzo Martin this offseason as well who just signed the #1 overall player. And LSU certainly can't get worse.

 

[Shamoan]

Ok, so what was my opinion after the win vs Tennessee? Please enlighten me.

 

[Shamoan]

If you can provide evidence where I have legitimately called for the firing of Collins, Howland, or Cann with a link and quote, I will never post on this site again. You have my word. You can't, so go 17 yourself.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

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[engie]

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...ain-yet-that-guy-is-a-clown&highlight=Collins

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...y-him-as-a-good-coordinator&highlight=Collins

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...e-pressure-we-were-promised&highlight=Collins

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...rain-is-leaving-the-station&highlight=Collins

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...t-that-is-mississippi-state&highlight=Collins

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...s-is-our-DC-and-all-is-well&highlight=Collins

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...s-we-just-gave-up-51-points&highlight=Collins

Just among the threads you actually started. But, yeah, you never actually wanted to fire Collins**

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Lol

 

[Shamoan]

I see several links of me being critical of coaches. If you just link one and quote where I call for one of the three listed to be fired, you have done it

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

I see several links of me being critical of coaches. If you just link one and quote where I call for one of the three listed to be fired, you have done it

We get it, technically you never said "fire (insert name)

But what do you think it means when you say you're anti (insert coach name) and thing did that nature?

 

[Shamoan]

Go ahead engie...if you can't maybe you should tuck tail and head over to ed like last time.

 

[Shamoan]

I don't deny being critical. But this board equates criticism and wanting someone fired, which aren't the same things.

 

[engie]

"we need to scrap the whole damn charade and start over again. sorry pro-collins guys, the man simply isnt the savior we were all hoping he would be. welcome to our new reality."

^^ This doesn't count as "calling for a firing" -- according to Shamoan. But I already know you will disqualify this statement as something different in the alternate reality you operate in.

Oh -- and I've never once left here. So, go ahead and add that to the list of things you are wrong about.

 

[engie]

guys....geoff collin's defense cannot get off the damn field on 3rd down...HAS to be one of the worst in the nation.

Just for the lulz since he's never actually had a defense finish outside of the top 30 in this metric...

 

[Shamoan]

Where is the link for all-important context? If I thought he should be fired, why wouldn't I just say that?

Oh-I just guess that hole in your posting history was an extended vacation

 

[Shamoan]

I don't believe you. He was awful one season. Opponents 3rd down completion ranking

 

[KurtRambis4]

Welcome to Shamoan's bizarro world*

*

 

[ronpolk]

Ok, so what was my opinion after the win vs Tennessee? Please enlighten me.

You're correct. I certainly misspoke. You typically don't post a lot when we actually win. You just show up when we lose and talk about how the coach sucks. But God know you don't actually want to fire anyone. They just suck and you want to keep them around.

 

[Shamoan]

Would it be possible that I wish to discuss flaws and areas to improve in the hopes that we focus on real weaknesses in an effort to get better? If my son is struggling in his stance and not doing the fundamentals correctly, do I praise him for his level swing or address the flaws preventing him from being better?

 

[engie]

It's right there in the threads I already linked. I'm guessing you tell your wife "we're done" 15-20 times a year -- but it never actually means that you want a divorce. Because that's the logic you are taking in your attempts to spin what you actually do say.

And go ahead and show me this extended vacation that your imagination allowed you to believe that I have taken from sps.

 

[Shamoan]

My point is an obvious one, the "charade" could refer to scheme, bend don't break philosophy, and I suppose the man himself, but that's one hell of a stretch if that's the basis of what I am being accused of constantly. The truth is that Collins and Wilson's defenses were very similar in talent and production yet one was reviled and the other praised.

 

[engie]

I don't believe you. He was awful one season. Opponents 3rd down completion ranking

You don't believe common sense context that is actually given to you. Why would I go to the trouble to look this up for yiu

 

[engie]

Sure, it's absolutely possible. You just fail to do it and go to far at such a high clip that even when you don't take it too far -- people still perceive that from you. Hell this VERY thread is a perfect example.

 

[ronpolk]

Would it be possible that I wish to discuss flaws and areas to improve in the hopes that we focus on real weaknesses in an effort to get better? If my son is struggling in his stance and not doing the fundamentals correctly, do I praise him for his level swing or address the flaws preventing him from being better?

I would suggest you do both. If you constantly ***** at him for what he's doing wrong he's probably going to think that you think he's doing everything wrong. Perhaps the problem is that you're just a terrible communicator or just a dumbass. I know which one I think it is. But I will say I had no idea you were trying but to improve our teams. I sure Howland and Mullen would check in other you before games**

 

[Shamoan]

I will have to find that post where you proclaimed that you were coming back to sps because ed wasn't a good fit for whatever reason. I'll find it when Im on a laptop that and our opponents 3rd down conversion %

 

[engie]

Yea, you are spinning your wheels in attempt to spin that. You can't say "fire Collins" without speaking those words any more clearly than I already linked. And I'm betting that I can find those actual words in 10 minutes if I bother searching.

If you had any supposition of ever being taken seriously, you'd go ahead and own this one and start over.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Sorry to get off topic but

I've always liked Frank Martin. Very much a disciplinarian, but his players love him. Says a lot.

 

[engie]

Oh I made a drunk post here speaking my mind about being done with ED because I got a week vacation by coach right when I was about to bump 50 instances of him being hilariously wrong about Cohen last season -- only because he knew that was what I was about to do. That was about leaving ED -- not leaving here. And unlike some "others" -- I have actually followed through with what I said I was going to do.

 

[Shamoan]

Find it and I won't post again. I give you my word I will stop posting if you do. You can't because it doesn't exist.

 

[Shamoan]

I can't help what people perceive only express an opinion. How people interpret that is out of my control.

 

[Shamoan]

Well, anyone that gets so upset about another persons opinion is the idiot is he not? It seems to be the usual suspects that don't understand what I am communicating, so maybe it's poor comprehension or designed to be argumentative and intentionally misunderstood. This is a perfect demonstration of that...given the opportunity to shut me up permanently, nobody can put forth a legitimate example of what I am incessantly accused of.

 

[Shamoan]

The expection is winning. I post positive things all the time (last night for example) but you don't want to process that because in your mind, I'm the negative guy.

 

[Shamoan]

I will find your prodigal son post at a time I'm not on my phone with ****** internet.

 

[Shamoan]

I'll find it and connect the dots, don't worry.

 

[KurtRambis4]

If all of these folks

are misunderstanding you, don't you think, possibly, that you're doing a poor job of explaining yourself?

I mean, if it were one person misinterpreting you, then possibly they're just dumb, but there are many that are reading the same things from you.

 

[Shamoan]

I don't think it's "all these folks". Like I said, it's the usual suspects and always the same 3 or 4 that don't seem to grasp what I am saying (intentionally I hope). I could assume like you that silence on the silent majority's part is support, but that may not be the case.

 

[engie]

You take it too far -- whether intentionally or not a very high percentage of the time. And say things you later deny saying and also intending to say. This thread is an absolutely perfect example of your hyperbole on the matter.

 

[engie]

No you won't. You've already proven it. Hence "we need to scrap the whole charade and start over" not counting as "we need to fire this coach and go a different direction" in whatever alternate reality you are rolling with right now.