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Alright Wildcat friends, need some life advice here. 05’s high academic recruiting is hot and heavy and we have some decisions to make.

Union (NY) is putting on the full court press. They want him to be the guy. Union has been to the D3 NC Game twice and was most recently in the playoffs a few years ago with an undefeated team. Their hockey team is D1 and won the NCAA Championship in 2014. Ranked #48 in LAC and offering him $30k merit. But their endowment is lower than some of the other schools we are looking at so the grants above the $30k guaranteed are harder to get. Total cost is $175k all in 4 years.

Middlebury is also an option, and ranked #14 LAC. Solid football, wins 6-7 games a year, but can’t go to the playoffs bc it’s in the NESCAC. And he’s their 2nd choice. Extremely high brow but a proven national brand. They own their own ski facility. And the facilities are insane in general. We get medium money in the first year and barely any in Year 2. Total cost is $200k all in 4 years.

Carleton is the other option, and ranked #6 LAC. Located 45 minutes south of Minneapolis. It’s simply one of the most rigorous academic schools in the country. Decent football under the new coach and they win 6-7 games a year. Will never go to the playoffs bc they will never beat St Johns or Bethel. They are offering a huge grant the first year that tapers off in Years 2-4. Total cost is about $150k all in.

For reference, Cal Poly is $125k all in. UC Davis is about $140k all in. Those would be the cheapest public state options we have. These numbers include R&B.

Columbia is still in the mix but they won’t offer until late September. That would be his #1 choice. But he doesn’t have an offer, yet. Cal Poly and Davis are still in the mix but they typically wait until after FBS kids commit.

All advice appreciated! Sam is a great student but has to work at it. And he’s a crazy competitive athlete who hates losing.
 
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My parents sat me down one day and showed me the cost of UK. It was about $1000/semester. Then they showed me a spreadsheet with the additional options like you have laid out above.

“You can go wherever you want, but we’re paying for UK and if you go elsewhere you just need to let us know how you’re coming up with the difference.”


Very easy decision, and an amazing life lesson.
 
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It’s crazy how expensive college is. Especially room and board. R&B and fees is more than Cal Poly and UC tuition! In state tuition now at UK is $12k.

There is a chance we qualify for a ton of aid at Carleton bc of their massive endowment. That’s why it’s the cheapest private option. We will get no money from the CA state public schools so we pay straight up.

Using Pti’s analysis, is it worth an incremental ~$50k to play college football and attend a high academic LAC? I do think there is some value here and worth considering. What that value is I’m trying to figure out.
 
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Any welding or hvac schools looking for a placekicker?

In all seriousness, best of luck with the decision. It’s a nice problem to have. All great schools.
 

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I’m projecting a quarter million a kid for my 2 in 15 years.

Needless to say, there will be some direct conversations if either wants to go to a big private school for a sociology degree.
 
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If you can figure out a way for your kid to graduate debt-free with a degree in something marketable and prevent them from marrying (or having a child with) a trainwreck, that's the pinnacle of parenting, imo.

School pedigree (especially in undergrad) PALES in comparison to the options graduating debt-free brings. After initial job hiring, no one really gives a **** where you went to school anyway, so that would be about my least priority.
 
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The US is $1.8 trillion in student loan debt, so with all due respect you can F off. Anyone offering the opinion to get thru college with as little debt as possible (or zero) is extremely well equipped to pass along advice.
 
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Depends on where he wants to work post college And if his field is really dependent on his degree.
Union and Middlebury will get recruiters from NYC and Boston, if he wants to end up there.
Carleton, no clue.
If his GPA is stellar, it won’t matter where his degree is from.
If he wants to go back to Cali when done, I’ll defer to you on labor market And attractiveness of Union, Middlebury or Carleton.
Anyway you slice it, he’s gonna freeze his *** off.
Does he want fat chicks and winter weather and football or door number 2?
 

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Will he intern at any corporate type employers? Just asking because a lot of companies headquarter in and near Minneapolis for whatever reason.

Not to say other places don’t have those options but I’ve heard great things about that area.

Also September isn’t too far away to wait, and I’d wait on #1 for the obvious reasons, money aside.
 
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Anything above $160k all in means we need something else. Even that is a stretch. Especially with 2 other kids.

California JUCO is an option - $10k a year and then latch on to a state public school. But it is a grind and not all kids make it through. Usually super low income or students who need academic help. California has the most robust JUCO system in the country. And precious few state public universities, especially that play football - only 11.
 

krazykats

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Just saw the Dr comment, I’d definitely wait out Columbia then. I know pricing seems astronomical right now, but think about how we view our time in school and those costs. Pennies on the dollar at this point.

The debt is only there for irresponsible idiots. That withstanding a little debt for something you truly want and get a little assistance toward paying us always going to pay off for rational responsible individuals.
 
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UK offered some kid from Montana with a monster leg. Accuracy tbd. Helluva kickoff guy though. Not sure why they passed on the local FD kid, who is a freak athlete with a monster leg. Both of those kids are 10/10 leg strength. 05 is a 8 or 9.
 

anthonys735

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The US is $1.8 trillion in student loan debt, so with all due respect you can F off. Anyone offering the opinion to get thru college with as little debt as possible (or zero) is extremely well equipped to pass along advice.
73 is one of the most intelligent people in gyero. He played college football at a LAC and has a son with the same opportunity. I'm fairly confident he's going to guide 05 into making a great decision.

We're not talking about a kid, without assistance, going 300k in debt to get a teaching certificate.
 
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73 is one of the most intelligent people in gyero. He played college football at a LAC and has a son with the same opportunity. I'm fairly confident he's going to guide 05 into making a great decision.

We're not talking about a kid, without assistance, going 300k in debt to get a teaching certificate.

73 is one of the most intelligent people in gyero. He played college football at a LAC and has a son with the same opportunity. I'm fairly confident he's going to guide 05 into making a great decision.

We're not talking about a kid, without assistance, going 300k in debt to get a teaching certificate.
73 joined the military to pay for his college education. FYI.
 
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I don’t understand how a liberal arts college can be north of $60K a year before room and board.

Take Vassar college. Tuition is like $62K per year and room a board is $18K. The average class size there is 17 students. And it’s liberal arts so they don’t have some super expensive engineering labs to support. The math of it just blows my mind.
  • Tuition is $31K a semester
  • You take five classes a semester
  • Cost per class is therefore $6,200
  • Revenue for Vassar per class is $105K
  • So if a professor at Vassar teaches 4 classes a semester for 2 semesters a year, that’s $843K in revenue per year per professor.
  • A young professor at Vassar is probably making like $130K, more experienced maybe $250K.
Now go back to what you are buying:
  • $6,200 per class
  • 16 weeks of classes in a semester
  • Each class meets for about 3 hours per week
  • 48 hours of instruction per semester per class
  • That’s $129 per hour of instruction.
  • If we’re being extremely generous and you meet with your professor on the side for 1 hour a week, then total comes down to $96 per hour.
Think about how insane that is. Now think about how useless many of those classes were. I’m sure Vassar has “core requirements” that were slide classes like we had at UK. So just utter waste.

There needs to be an advocate for the students on this. For public schools (K-12), it’s the taxpayer.
 
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UK out of state tuition is like 23k a semester. It’s nuts.

My son and I sat down. I explained MTSU or UT would be 25% off tuition due to their mother being a state employee. I told him I will pay zero dollars towards UT. If he chose to go there I wouldn’t visit or come near that ******** town. I explained the other two options I would cover.

He chose wisely.
 

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So the Reds have called up what 9-10 players from the minors that are solid contributors? Despite losing all that talent Louisville is still playing decent.

One of the most exciting things is they've graduated a bunch of guys from the top of their prospect list, and they're still coming in at No. 5 in all of baseball.
 

anthonys735

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73 joined the military to pay for his college education. FYI.
Exactly. You're not talking to an idiot.

For some:

-College isn't necessary. Trade or apprenticeship would be better.
-The cheapest way to a degree is the best solution.
-A challenging education at a highly regarded university is warranted.

Obviously, 05 is probably on the later end and his parents value a good education.

Like I said. There's not 1 answer for a family or a kid. Your parents gave you good advice for your situation. Mine, offered to pay 4 years anywhere I could go but there wasn't an option. I was going to be the first one from either side of the family to graduate college. Neither even graduated HS and they would've picked up second jobs to pay for our education. If your kid comes to you wanting to go to places like Columbia and play football... good luck saying no.
 

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Union College is an excellent school.

My kid didn’t even bother with a couple ACC Schools he got accepted to once the UK offer deal was laid out. I made sure he applied all where he wanted just to see where he shook out. He keeps above 3.0, he’ll have relatively zero debt

Been working since 7:00am. Digging out one issue at a time. This would be impossible to do during work hours.
 

Wynn Duffy 69

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Americana enthusiasts…new band I stumbled upon, The Fly Birds. These four chicks from Winchester, Virginia. Excellent musically - they could play straight bluegrass music and not miss a step - good song writing and catchy melodies. Perhaps they’re more well known, but I had not heard them until today.

The Fly Birds -
https://purplefiddle.com/bands/the-fly-birds/

In other developments, pti, what you think of the three new Troubadours songs that are available? I enjoyed the last one in particular.
 

MrKentucky

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UK was the only place I applied. I had considered a few other options.. Vandy, UGA, Centre were the three but once I had the full ride from GSP it was a no brainer.

Parents covered the room and board… they would have covered a lot of the Vandy and Centre tuition but I thought I wanted to go to law school and practice in Ky anyway, so figured oh what’s it matter.

Took all of one semester to say to hell with that, and now I work with and do the exact same job as a bunch of ex-employment attorneys without the law debt. Go figure.
 
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