They are returning in large part because they didn't quite live up to their HS rankings. They are not easily #1.
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Yeah someone tried to say a few weeks ago if Flip returned they were the automatic #1 preseason team and one of the best teams in the last 10 years (A duke fan, of course).. I never thought it was THAT automatic.. And now, they won't have a top10 recruit, and their incoming class seems a little more like 3-4 year players, not many impact players like top10 guys FLip or Lively... Which is great for the future.. but for next season?
Idk, Proctor was getting 1st round buzz, and Flopowski was guaranteed 1st round basically with an outside shot at lottery. Returning freshman often times get better as well.
Every time I see Reed I see a 15 or 16 year old kid in my mind. Man, does he look young!
It was me. I said Flip and Roach. If we get Roach back and who I think we may get in the portal at center, I stand by it. Barring injury, it is going to be an elite team. And yes one of the better we have seen in recent years. Lets see what happens.
Then they better be a 1-seed, only 3-4 losses tops, and win a title.
BTW, in this scenario, you lost your top recruit. So you have a few solid recruits, return Flip, Roach, Proctor (Lively AND Whitehead in the draft, correct?) and some others.
That's an all-decade type of team?
We will see what happens, indeed lol.
This is from Clutch Points:
Center Derrick Lively and Dariq Whitehead entered the NBA Draft, while Tyrese Proctor and Mark Mitchell decided to return. So, if Roach and Filipowski come back to Durham next season, Duke should be a top-5 pick for the preseason polls.
Now subrtract MM. I certainly think Duke could be top5. But it's total homer-ism to think this team is going to be one of the decade's best. They were a 4-seed, they couldn't win a Sweet16. So now some returning talent and an incoming class (a class that likely isn't going to get a ton of minutes) is supposed to be a GOAT type of year? Not buying it.
Center Derrick Lively and Dariq Whitehead entered the NBA Draft, while Tyrese Proctor and Mark Mitchell decided to return. So, if Roach and Filipowski come back to Durham next season, Duke should be a top-5 pick for the preseason polls.
Now subrtract MM. I certainly think Duke could be top5. But it's total homer-ism to think this team is going to be one of the decade's best. They were a 4-seed, they couldn't win a Sweet16. So now some returning talent and an incoming class (a class that likely isn't going to get a ton of minutes) is supposed to be a GOAT type of year? Not buying it.
Thats fair, certainly could be homerism on my part. In fact, from the outside looking in, more people would say you are the more level headed poster in this discussion. But i know what i saw in Proctor, Mitchell and Filipowski as freshman. I see them taking significant leaps with another year. Haven’t had that at Duke in a while.
I just think to have a generational type team, you need to have an awful lot going for your team. I'm not opposed to giving Duke #1 preseason, I might even think that myself. But I don't see any truly elite teams next year, as of now.
Edit: Like we're talking about teams like 2012's Kentucky team or 2009's UNC squad. And I just don't see that level of dominance from this Duke team.
Edit: Like we're talking about teams like 2012's Kentucky team or 2009's UNC squad. And I just don't see that level of dominance from this Duke team.
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Yea it is, I felt a very strong disturbance in the force when that video played.
I don’t need an another dude who thinks he’s Steph Curry in the postseason going 0-15 when our actual shooters do the same.
I guess we’re going to just totally ignore the fact that around 2016 was when WWW lost interest in “influencing “ kids on their college decisions and started spending his time on the nba .lol
A bad Tennessee team made easy work of them. I guess we can pretend they're a juggernaught because another year passed.
If he think Duke should be pre-season #1, his fridge is probably full of Bud Lite
I was more than ready for Duke to take the “recruiting title” every year – as long as the No.# 1 Recruiting Class title was based on the recruiting rankings of One-and-Done high school kids. I would be very happy to see Duke turn over its roster every year with a fresh crop of 5-star OADs. But if you guys are going to start stacking those classes and having your perceived OADs come back, then I’m going to have to object. That’s when No.# 1 recruiting classes become a much bigger worry for the opposition (e.g., see AL football to a degree).
With the transfer portal + NIL + the free covid year, freshmen don't stand a chance in today’s game.
Cal had to have not only elite freshmen to win, he had to have guys that were special talents and that was back before teams got older. Now… I just don't see it. Those are grown *** men out there now.
Maybe he actually likes campus life and isn't a mercenary who goes pro at the first sign of 2nd round scrap daylight.
I know Calipari has brainwashed us into thinking that college is not worth staying around for, but he almost always gets kids who just look at UK as a waystation.
Good point but if we being honest they are stacked next year, return 3 key guys and bring in a loaded class, that’s the mix of team that wins a title or competes for one
Who do you think you will get from the portal at center? It’s looking like shederick from Virginia
Legit I was talking to my high school coach, there was really good player in our region, who isn’t getting college looks now because teams know they can get sombody from the portal to step right in. The kid I’m talking about in high school isn’t a McDonald’s all American type but he is a really good player at a Mid major or lower level d1 and because of the portal kids like that just aren’t getting college looks anymore
They were stacked last year also and they still have the same coach as last year.
They were stack with talent, but only had one guy returning with any real game time experience and a 1st year head coach. They had injuries and that “same coach” still kept the team together and was able to win an ACC tournament championship (even if the ACC was in a perceived down year)
Now you’re telling me three NBA talented starters returning, two of which are potential lottery all American caliber players. And the “same coach” having a year under his belt won’t be better?
Very good point, if Scheyer can’t get them to a final four with that roster then he should really be questioned, this on paper is what wins in college as a roster
If I had to bet, it's that someone convinced him to return for the sole benefit of Duke. It wouldn't be the first time we've seen coaches and schools do this. Generally, if you're a top20 pick, you don't return. But NIL has changed some of that notion.
Should Cal do the same? Maybe. Maybe not. For better or worse, I think Cal sticks to his word when it comes to the players. If he recruited you because he thought you were a 1AD, he isn't going to go back on that word to try and squeeze out one more yet, even if it would benefit him and UK.
Wait, which other returning player is a potential lottery pick? Flip is the only one who MIGHT move into the lottery, and even that is suspect. I actually think he hurts his stock by coming back. If you mean Proctor and Mitchel.. Neither of them will be lottery picks. People need to understand that the lottery is almost exclusively for freshman, g-league and young euro talent. Sophomores and beyond rarely go lottery.
Many 24 mocks have proctor projected as a lottery, some even have him top ten after his post season run.
The top two were Sanogo and Holmes. Doesn't make sense that Sanogo would leave, but apparently he and Hurley don't get along well. Word was he was talking to Duke and Memphis. Remains to be seen if he actually leaves or not. With Holmes, he was leaving mainly because Anthony Grant was retiring, but now looks like he's not, so who knows if Holmes is still going to enter the portal or not? I also hear there is one more they are looking at, but haven't heard who that is. And supposedly, Dickensen and Shedrick are not being heavily considered.
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I'd be very shocked. He was already playing 30mpg as a freshman. I think he *could* take big steps forward and greatly improve. But lottery is unlikely.
I wouldn't trust any mock drafts for 2024 as of now.
Look at the wording. It's clear that his write-up was from a while ago, possibly before the season even started.
| 9 | Tyrese Proctor | PG – Duke (Australia) – HT: 6-5 – WT: 180 – WING: 6-6 1/2 – Int.04 – Proctor is the next in a long line of talented guards from Australia. He could be a one and done (2023) draft pick or a two year player for Duke. |
That was just the first one. There have been many that’s been updated and release all have him going in a similar spot. But like you said, so much can happen that changes these. But that’s not the point
The point is Duke is getting guys like proctor and Flip and Mitchell to return. Highly talented and experienced guys. In todays world that’s unheard of. I’m not sure how they do their NIL, they are more of a national brand than a local brand, but whatever they’re doing it seems to be enough to get these type of guys to take that risk.
Duke has always gotten guys to return who likely would have left, or should have left. Seems like Coach K would get one a year. I think Flip returning is dumb move on his part. That's the exact type of decision that turns into a player falling 10-15 spots the following year. Some of those guys, you never hear from again. The NBA drafts on potential, and potential goes out the door real quick when you show them too much of your game.
Here's why you can't trust mock drafts a year early: Jarace Walker.
Jarace was barely a top100 recruit, and not on any NBA mock drafts of any year.. Yet, he showed how good he was as just a freshman, and he now takes one of the lottery spots for the 2023 draft. There's going to be a few of these freshman next year, that show big potential, and steal some lottery spots.
Yeah I don’t want any of that happening LOL put a dominant center in that team and I don’t see any weakness at all
Put him on duke and I don’t see any weakness at all, I like holmes a lot as well and was hoping Kentucky would get him if he entered
Yeah but you know how college basketball is, especially tournaments. Who seen all the upsets this year on top of FAU and SD state going to the final four? I sure didn't! Add to that, you never know hpow the incoming freshmen will actually play, plus injuries. All you can do is set your roster for what you think will work and then grind it out. Even as good as Uconn looked at the end, they went on what, a 6 game losing streak? It's a crap shoot!