Minnesota football team boycotts

[DerHntr]

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/...-activities-over-suspension-10-teammates.html

The president and the other administrators are in a real tough spot if the team can stick together to not practice for or play in the bowl game. On the one hand, the admin needs to show they will protect women. On the other hand, they need to have due process and make money/keep alumni happy. No matter what they choose to do, they are likely screwed.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/...-activities-over-suspension-10-teammates.html

The president and the other administrators are in a real tough spot if the team can stick together to not practice for or play in the bowl game. On the one hand, the admin needs to show they will protect women. On the other hand, they need to have due process and make money/keep alumni happy. No matter what they choose to do, they are likely screwed.

The suspensions are part of due process. These players need to understand their role. The University cannot value the football team more than it values the safety of women. I can assure you players were not suspended without very damning evidence. Even if they end up being innocent, the university cannot bow down to a bunch of entitled athletes. "What are they going to do, pull 120 guys off the team and not have a team?" Yes son, that's exactly what they will choose. The sooner you recognize that, the sooner you will realize your little boycott is making you look like a fool.

 

[aTotal360]

The administration can't back down on this in today's climate. I have no clue who is right/wrong or guilty/innocent, but the optics would be really bad if they reinstated the kids.

IMO, it's a pretty selfish move by the players. I understand they are teammates and all of that, but they can't turn their back on everyone outside of the locker room.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

In the post- Art Briles world they have to be aggressive about this.
6 or 7 guys, football players or not, gang banging a drunk coed is stupid as hell. Stupid. Even if she is slobbering "yes" the whole time.
You better damn well know the truth before you stand up for your buddies putting a scholarship on the line.

 

[DerHntr]

What's crazy is she said it was consensual with two guys but not 4 guys and then no one has been charged with a crime. This thing had to be really complicated for those investigating.

 

[BiscuitEater]

The suspensions are part of due process. These players need to understand their role. The University cannot value the football team more than it values the safety of women.

Based on what I have read, I respectfully disagree. A 'criminal investigation' was conducted and no arrests or charges happened.

"On Tuesday, the school suspended 10 players indefinitely from all team activities, with those players facing new sanctions from the university’s office of Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action (EOAA)."

NO REASON for the suspensions was given. None of the 10 had ANY representation OR WAS EVEN INTERVIEWED by the EOAA Office. Please explain how this is "part of due process."

 

[SanfordRJones]

I can assure you players were not suspended without very damning evidence.

Based on how the Duke Lacrosse thing played out, I don't think we can make assurances like that.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

So does this mean Texas now qualifies for a Bowl. Or would Mississippi be next in line?**

 

[Lawdawg.sixpack]

Speaking very generally, due process is satisfied by providing notice and an opportunity to be heard. Notice can be as simple as "you are being charged with a violation of section xx.xxx of the student code." The opportunity to be heard comes at the hearing, which I would imagine is probably 10-30 days after notice is provided. Suspension pending the hearing is surely authorized by their by-laws.

With all the legal issues involved, I would bet that they're following due process by the book. But due process doesn't mean the students have a right to be interviewed during the investigation, a right to be represented before charges are brought, or even a right to know the details of the investigation until the hearing. And it definitely doesn't mean that the school should release details of the investigation or charges to the public or even to other members of the football team.

 

[Ishmael]

I haven't read all the details about this, but the lack of criminal charges does not mean due process is not being followed by suspending them. The level of proof necessary for criminal charges is likely different than the level of proof needed for disciplinary action by the school. And I believe the school has a separate legal obligation to investigate allegations like this apart from what law enforcement decides.

 

[AssEndDawg]

The administration can't back down on this in today's climate.

This exact same thing was said about the Missouri issue and the administration DID back down and no one flipped out. Now, different case but what they can do is review this case PDQ and figure out what they got right and wrong.

 

[aTotal360]

apples and oranges

 

[missouridawg]

So does this mean Texas now qualifies for a Bowl. Or would Mississippi be next in line?**

Northern Illinois is next in line.

 

[MaroonNation]

Speaking from prior experience working for the state the EEOC/EOAA doesn't need proof. All they need is one bitter woman and the dude is suspended and the matter is investigate further. The best the guy can hope for is to be exonerated and back pay received

 

[Original48]

Time to readjust my bowl pic em sheet.

 

[aTotal360]

Exactly. And the entire world will side with the alleged victim regardless of the facts and circumstances. Minnesota is in a lose/lose situation. They are essentially going to have to pick their poison. Reinstate the kids and look like insensitive, money hungry bigots or don't reinstate the kids and look like knee jerk buffoons with no regard to legal precedent.

 

[KurtRambis4]

When liberals collide*

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[aTotal360]

I will be curious to see where they land on this. Honestly, I think everyone is divided on this.

 

[patdog]

Former West Jones and current SW MS JUCO QB Neil McLaurin just signed with Minnesota. Hope he's stepping into a better situation than it looks like he is.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

Shirley, I am not the only one who can take care of business without needing the assistance of my buddies. I don't get the allure of this type of thing...ESPECIALLY if it isn't consensual.

 

[Son_of_34]

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The dumb *** let's make this political post took a lot longer than expected...it's a Christmas miracle

 

[Hoover Dawg]

Politics are reality, and are a reality in this situation. The whole 'no politics' schtick really is what is truly played out in this country. We should not be scared to talk about it.

 

[Son_of_34]

Politics are reality, and are a reality in this situation. The whole 'no politics' schtick really is what is truly played out in this country. We should not be scared to talk about it.

True but throwing shade at either side in this situation is idiotic

 

[KurtRambis4]

Apologies for commenting about

politics in a political thread, Einstein. In the future, I'll try to add to the level that you have in this thread.****

 

[Hoover Dawg]

He called both sides liberal. Hardly worthy of a safe space.

The thread was fine until you posted.

 

[BoomBoom.sixpack]

The suspensions are part of due process. These players need to understand their role. The University cannot value the football team more than it values the safety of women. I can assure you players were not suspended without very damning evidence. Even if they end up being innocent, the university cannot bow down to a bunch of entitled athletes. "What are they going to do, pull 120 guys off the team and not have a team?" Yes son, that's exactly what they will choose. The sooner you recognize that, the sooner you will realize your little boycott is making you look like a fool.

The problem with this is that most University "due process" procedures are crafted to protect the University, not the students. Most people would view this as unjust. For your average accused student, there's nothing they can do about this. But if you take a high profile case, then those procedures can become a PR nightmare for the University to have to defend. The university will likely find a way to fold or compromise while saving face, but more importantly for them not shining a spotlight on their BS "due process". Only monkeywrench in that is the short timeframe of the bowl game.

 

[birdawg]

Don't go to gangbangs, kids.