Is the 3-4 defense...

[ColoradoDawg]

viable in the SEC West?

Seems to me like running a 3-4 puts us a disadvantage against teams Bama and Arkansas who line up in the I-form and play old school smash-mouth football.

Having an extra big guy up front seems ideal.

I think playing a 3-4 will be better against a team like Ole Miss, who run more of a spread offense.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

Well Bama and LSU run the 3-4 and struggle against the Ole Miss spread and other spreads with mobile QB's and have successful against traditional offenses. So there's that.

 

[lazlow]

We could run a 17-4 and still b 17'd

viable in the SEC West?

Seems to me like running a 3-4 puts us a disadvantage against teams Bama and Arkansas who line up in the I-form and play old school smash-mouth football.

Having an extra big guy up front seems ideal.

I think playing a 3-4 will be better against a team like Ole Miss, who run more of a spread offense.

Because we're a buncha 17tards...there are earthworms with higher FB IQ than us.

 

[kired]

So you'd expect it would work ok against, say a team like FCS Samford, right?

It's not the 3-4 that's killing us. It's a lack of talent in certain areas combined with the fact that players don't know why they're doing (because, in my opinion the coaches have done a terrible job implementing the new defense)

 

[fishwater99]

So you'd expect it would work ok against, say a team like FCS Samford, right?

It's not the 3-4 that's killing us. It's a lack of talent in certain areas combined with the fact that players don't know why they're doing (because, in my opinion the coaches have done a terrible job implementing the new defense)

Also, our new 3-4 DC wasn't allowed to hire his own assistants to implement it.

 

[coachnorm]

Maybe it is not the defensive that stands alone in the conversation. It is the quality of players and coaches that support a scheme. If a program can recruit at a certain level, supporting a scheme is easier.

 

[Carbaryl]

So you'd expect it would work ok against, say a team like FCS Samford, right?

It's not the 3-4 that's killing us. It's a lack of talent in certain areas combined with the fact that players don't know why they're doing (because, in my opinion the coaches have done a terrible job implementing the new defense)

Nailed it!We've been bad for three years now on defense.

2014(4-3)
Total Defense-National-#86
Pass Defense-National-#117
Rush Defense-National-#44

2015(4-3)
Total Defense-National-#58
Pass Defense-National-#58
Rush Defense-National-#70

2016(3-4)
Total Defense-National-#106
Pass Defense-National-#119
Rush Defense-National-#72

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

I really think our Defensive problems are Fundamentals and not Schematics.

3-4 is not really the problem---our inability to tackle 1 on 1 in the open field and inability to cover WRs and TEs and inability to get off blocks is the problem(s). When you lack the fundamentals it doesn't matter what your scheme is, Hell you could have 21 players on the field and play a 8-5-8 Defense (8 DL, 5 LB, 8 DB) and still be a horrible Defense.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

I don't think we have the speed in the secondary nor the stud defensive ends it takes to run it. we certainly have some athletes on the field, but I just don't think they have bought in nor have figured out the scheme. I also think it is more than just the 3-4. We have lack a lot of the fundamentals. Our angles are bad, our tackling is bad, our positioning is back, our block shedding is bad. It's just bad all around. I don't know if it's an attitude problem or what. but to me that still goes back to the coaching. I just think Sirmon was a big swing and a miss this time with picking a guy to coach and lead this defense. If Sirmon was a good coach, they would eventually be catching on to the scheme and playing a little better. We just didn't get that much worse in talent from last year to this year. So either he isn't coaching it right or has lost the respect of the players and not getting full effort. Both of those are a huge problem and to me is not worth keeping him around to next year to figure out if he can do better.

 

[Dogariffic]

What I don't understand is why we keep running the 3-4 if the players struggle to implement it.
Run the old 4-3 as a base and the 3-4 from time to time to bring it in gradually. And I know we are multiple in our D. Guess I am saying be less so. Of course hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Msubulldogfan1]

Bama doesn't run the I formation since kiffin.

But it doesn't matter if you run a 3-4 or 4-3...you're gonna struggle against great offenses.

Spread FCS teams don't do well against bama.

 

[Shamoan]

Collins had an ugly 2014. Diaz has been my favorite.

 

[FreeDawg]

Also, our new 3-4 DC wasn't allowed to hire his own assistants to implement it.