Our D-fence....

TheStateUofMS

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Let's let the players buy in and give Sirmon a couple years. 4 DCs in 4 years and most our play makers are Fr and Soph. I bet all haven't bought in, plus being young, they are still learning to play. I don't think we have a talent issue. I think we have a young team, who doesn't have the leaders a developmental program needs to have from upper classmen.

Not fair to judge Sirmon yet.

Also, Brandon Bryant is a complete waste of space out there. Never seen someone digress as much as he has. There was talk of him being an All American. Sad. I'm sure it's mental.
 

johnson86-1

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Let's let the players buy in and give Sirmon a couple years. 4 DCs in 4 years and most our play makers are Fr and Soph. I bet all haven't bought in, plus being young, they are still learning to play. I don't think we have a talent issue. I think we have a young team, who doesn't have the leaders a developmental program needs to have from upper classmen.

Not fair to judge Sirmon yet.

Also, Brandon Bryant is a complete waste of space out there. Never seen someone digress as much as he has. There was talk of him being an All American. Sad. I'm sure it's mental.

If I didn't think we have a talent issue, I would be ready for a new DC. The reality is we have a talent issue (although we have some good young pieces, we have huuuge holes also), and we are shifting to a new system, and we have a first time DC that is going to have some growing pains regardless. That was a shittastic showing by him, and one that the talent doesn't excuse, and especially giving up the middle of the field like that on the last play, but you have to let him recruit and see how he develops over the next year.
 

johnson86-1

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We've offered at every level of the defense now. I think it's a good plan as long as they can enroll early and count back. We have scholarships to offer

That would ease some of the sting of our self imposed probation. Not sure how we fix our class balaance while doing that, but need to try something.
 

PubDawg

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It seems like there's 7 points every game Brandon leaves with the other team. He doesn't turn his head around when the receiver starts looking for the ball. He doesn't play the ball ever... He should have 4 INT's, instead he's toast.
 

tcdog70

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the main problem with our D-backs is there is no pressure on the QB. Any D-1 Qb who can stand around with no pressure can find open wrs. We must blitz or stunt, something that we have refused to do. We never delay blitz.
 

kired

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I think we just hit a perfect storm this year.

- We've got a handful of solid seniors, but no real star
- Injuries plus inexperience in the secondary
- Lack of talent in our second string DL and LB
- First time DC and new defensive scheme
- New coaches at every single position group
- Rebuilding offense... meaning we're going to have a lot more 3 & outs and put a lot more pressure on the defense

This team struggles to get off the field on 3rd down, and is atrocious in the redzone. I'm sure the averages will go up over these last 5 games --- but our average yards per play really isn't different from previous years under Mullen. The problem is we are consistently giving up those yards and not getting negative plays, so we're not stopping anyone. We're getting dominated on time of possession - which isn't exactly a problem except for the fact that we don't have an offense that can score 30+ points per game.
 
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I'm sorry but players buying in had nothing to with that last series. That was all on Sirmon. He called an atrocious series. We sat back and did absolutely nothing to try to make a play to win the game. We played prevent and predictably it prevented us from winning. The players aren't blameless as we had 8 in coverage and they still couldn't cover the receivers. Since we couldn't cover them anyway why not blitz a time or 2.
 
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It seems like there's 7 points every game Brandon leaves with the other team. He doesn't turn his head around when the receiver starts looking for the ball. He doesn't play the ball ever... He should have 4 INT's, instead he's toast.

He plays exactly like a player that you steal from USM would expect to play. So does Nelson Adams, JT Gray, Lashard Durr, Torey Dale, the entire offensive line, Gabe Myles, Nick Fitzgerald, and Brandon Holloway.
 

Palos verdes

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Our defense has only played well in one game. At Kentucky, they tanked. If the defense has a good quarter rest of the way, it'll be by coincidence.
 

KingBarkus

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the main problem with our D-backs is there is no pressure on the QB. Any D-1 Qb who can stand around with no pressure can find open wrs. We must blitz or stunt, something that we have refused to do. We never delay blitz.
Going off memory alone, I thought we attempted to pressure the UK qb in the first half by bringing more than 4. In the second half we saw the bending, soft zone crap.
 

CoastDawg18

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I'm sorry but players buying in had nothing to with that last series. That was all on Sirmon. He called an atrocious series. We sat back and did absolutely nothing to try to make a play to win the game. We played prevent and predictably it prevented us from winning. The players aren't blameless as we had 8 in coverage and they still couldn't cover the receivers. Since we couldn't cover them anyway why not blitz a time or 2.

I womderes when seeing this if Sirmon is making that decision or if Mullen is telling him to play prevent. I have no idea, just curious how much Mullen weighs in on things like this.
 

Uncle Ruckus

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Woah woah woah. What solid seniors do we have? It and RBrown. Him in a 4-3? Yes. Not this year. I'll give you AJ but Fred but that's it. That's only 2 solid seniors, wouldn't even say they were good.

I disagree about lack of talent on 2nd DL. It's the most talented. Our first DL is the ****** one. 2nd DL has Simmons, Thomas and Spencer (Viper). Those 3 will end up being a nasty bunch. If we move to a 4-3 and have a DL with those 3 we could be on to something.
 

TheStateUofMS

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I'm sorry but players buying in had nothing to with that last series. That was all on Sirmon. He called an atrocious series. We sat back and did absolutely nothing to try to make a play to win the game. We played prevent and predictably it prevented us from winning. The players aren't blameless as we had 8 in coverage and they still couldn't cover the receivers. Since we couldn't cover them anyway why not blitz a time or 2.


Thanks for looking at the big picture**
 

bulldogbaja

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The defense is talented. The same players were talented when they played last year, they didn't magically lose it. It's all about coaching and being placed in a position to utilize those talents.
 

kired

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Lack of talent = Dale, Hoyett, Ward, Jung. I'm glad to see the ones you mentioned getting more playing time because we need it.

I consider Brown, AJ, and Calvin all to be solid seniors - they can't help it if they are being misused by our new DC.
 

horshack.sixpack

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Has multiple gates and three or four are left open most of the time.

2 observations:

1) I think that the "slow" and "lack of effort" mentioned in other threads are neither. I think that we are seeing the difference in knowing the defense so well that you just perform vs having to think about what you are doing on the field (that kills speed of play). Result of the of the move to 3-4. If this is true next year should be better and if this is true then it would make no sense to go get yet another DC this quickly and begin the re-learning process.

2) For all the Mullen forces his defense theorists, why would he allow a departure from the 4-3? Doesn't make sense to me that he would hire a guy who plans to change the defense completely if much of what I've read on SPS is that it doesn't matter who Mullen hires, he controls it anyway and it is going to look the same no matter what.
 
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Big Picture? This is a results based business. You either win or lose. When you only have players for 4 years there is no time for oh it takes a year to buy in garbage. You need to produce now. I agree with you we have some talent on defense so what's the problem? It's coaching. He is getting paid handsomely to make the players buy in, and so far the results have been terrible. As another poster said, we have played decent on defense in one game. The defense has been a disaster in the other 6 games. If you have some talent (which we do) then players need time to buy in is an excuse for crappy coaching.
 

msstate7

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Our defense has only played well in one game. At Kentucky, they tanked. If the defense has a good quarter rest of the way, it'll be by coincidence.

Not saying our defense has been great by any means, but we're 6th in the sec in total defense.
 

TheStateUofMS

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We've had 4 DCs in 4 years. If you play defense for us, you've had 4 differ DCs

Big Picture? This is a results based business. You either win or lose. When you only have players for 4 years there is no time for oh it takes a year to buy in garbage. You need to produce now. I agree with you we have some talent on defense so what's the problem? It's coaching. He is getting paid handsomely to make the players buy in, and so far the results have been terrible. As another poster said, we have played decent on defense in one game. The defense has been a disaster in the other 6 games. If you have some talent (which we do) then players need time to buy in is an excuse for crappy coaching.


If you don't think there could be an issue of everyone buying in after musical chairs at the DC position, I can't help you.
 
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It is not ideal to have 4 DCs in 4 years. I'll give you that. However, if you can't see that aw shucks they haven't bought in not an excuse for crappy coaching and therefore crappy performance by the players then I can't help you.

Switching defensive schemes is not like switching from the triple option to the air raid. Every defensive scheme in existence have shared concepts in common so it's not like the players are starting from scratch. It should not take a year to get them up to speed.
 

TheStateUofMS

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Going 4-3 to 3-4 is a big difference. Nose tackle most obvious. We have a good

It is not ideal to have 4 DCs in 4 years. I'll give you that. However, if you can't see that aw shucks they haven't bought in not an excuse for crappy coaching and therefore crappy performance by the players then I can't help you.

Switching defensive schemes is not like switching from the triple option to the air raid. Every defensive scheme in existence have shared concepts in common so it's not like the players are starting from scratch. It should not take a year to get them up to speed.

freshman nose guard. Not sure what's behind him. Bringing in Deon Pope and some other Freshmen's I believe. Montez Sweat should be better than Calvin.
 

o_RockDawg

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We definitely lack talent at DB and o line. We do not ever get called for pass interference because we are never close to a receiver we let them catch it and try to tackle. Sirmon blitzes at the worst times and the doesn't blitz a juco QB at best and let him march down the field. Our o line stinks 3 seniors and a juco all American and we stink.
 
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