For Those That Think Mullen Leaves or Gets Fired:

[PonderThis1]

What do you think of Mike Norvell (U of Memphis head coach)?

He currently has the best recruiting class in the history of Memphis football http://memphis.247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/Commits

Is well thought of http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000000495698

Already has recruiting ties to the area. He also only makes $1 mill right now.

I realize he has only coached 2 games (beat teams he was supposed to beat) but I think he is a guy to monitor.

 

[wtw2400]

Memphis plays Ole Miss in October. Thats a game to watch.

 

[rugbdawg]

Willie Taggart still my guy. Only 7 point dogs to Florida State this weekend.

It takes him a while to build, but he always wins once he does.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Philip Montgomery of Tulsa is my favorite. The guy is responsible for Kevin Kolb, Casey Keenum, RG3, and Bryce Petty. That's 4 drastically different styles of QB who have nothing in common other than Montgomery.

 

[DogStuckAtUM.sixpack]

If we're going to do this... I'm for Fedora (high-tempo offense, recruits well, knows area) or PJ Fleck (recruiting, young, energetic, took Western Michigan to next level after Bill Cubit).

 

[patdog]

Good lord, the names in this thread aren't a step up from Mullen, and in most cases are a pretty significant step down. If you think Mullen isn't doing a good enough job at MSU, the bar for replacements has to be a LOT higher than Mike Norvell, Willie Taggert, Philip Montgomery, and Larry Fedora.

 

[Dawg4ever49]

Agree all a significant step down.

 

[PonderThis1]

I would agree except for Fedora. He has done as much as Dan with less there. They were arguably one win against FSU away from a spot in the playoffs as well.

I don't think we fire him for the record- I think he leaves. And I like all of the names on this list to be honest. I happen to be partial to Norvell because of the class he is putting together at Memphis. He has always been a great recruiter which is something we have not had in a long time.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

Sometimes you have to step down for a moment to step up. These guys all have a higher ceiling the Mullen. I'm sure all can recruit better that Mullen so the climb back up may not be that long. I'm willing to wait. We aint Florida State etc, we cant just cherry pick the best coaches in America to come to Starkville, Ms. Sorry that's just the reality of it.

 

[patdog]

Yeah, Fedora was "only 1 win" away from a BCS bowl game too. But he lost to a 3-9 UAB team that dropped football the next year. He's good for a South Alabama game pretty much every year instead of once in 8 years. And if you look at his overall record, it's simply not as good as Mullen's. He'd be a definite downgrade.

 

[PonderThis1]

Again, I think Mullen leaves. So not sure why you are arguing him against Mullen. Moot point.

 

[DawgAudit]

It takes him a while to build, but he always wins once he does.

If I wasn't convinced you're nothing more than a troll before, this does it. You seriously would want to hire a HC with a 33-43 record? To replace our most successful head coach in school history? lol ok....

 

[patdog]

Mullen isn't going anywhere. So, this is a theoretical thread from the beginning. But even if he did leave, one way or the other, the replacements mentioned are a pretty sad group.

 

[DancingRabbit]

"I think Mullen leaves"

Again, I think Mullen leaves. So not sure why you are arguing him against Mullen. Moot point.

Said every Bear fan and most nat'l CFB analysts every year since 2010. Who is going to come close to matching what we pay Dan? Talk about moot points.

Care to do a side by side recruiting ranking of Dan and Fedora? I'll hang up and listen.

 

[PonderThis1]

Mullen isn't going anywhere. So, this is a theoretical thread from the beginning. But even if he did leave, one way or the other, the replacements mentioned are a pretty sad group.

Theoretically, let's say he leaves. Who do you think we could get that you would want?

 

[PonderThis1]

Said every Bear fan and most nat'l CFB analysts every year since 2010. Who is going to come close to matching what we pay Dan? Talk about moot points.

Care to do a side by side recruiting ranking of Dan and Fedora? I'll hang up and listen.

I wasnt the one pushing Fedora. But care to do a side by side of Norvell and Mullen and take into consideration who is at what school? I will hang up and listen.

 

[patdog]

Norvell - Assistant at a decent but slightly under-performing PAC-12 school. Hasn't done jack **** as a head coach.

Mullen - has consistently won at what has historically been one of the toughest schools in the SEC to win. More and better bowl games as a head coach than Norvell has as an assistant.

 

[PonderThis1]

Norvell - Assistant at a decent but slightly under-performing PAC-12 school. Hasn't done jack **** as a head coach.

Mullen - has consistently won at what has historically been one of the toughest schools in the SEC to win. More and better bowl games as a head coach than Norvell has as an assistant.

Again, let's hear your pick since you seem to be smarter than everybody else.

 

[HD6]

Nobody. We'd have to take a risk, like we did on Mullen. Might pay off, might not.

 

[johnson86-1]

Good lord, the names in this thread aren't a step up from Mullen, and in most cases are a pretty significant step down. If you think Mullen isn't doing a good enough job at MSU, the bar for replacements has to be a LOT higher than Mike Norvell, Willie Taggert, Philip Montgomery, and Larry Fedora.

Our next coach is not going to look like a step-up from Mullen when we hire him. Mullen has already proven what he can do and nobody else that has shown the same ability is going to be available to us, unless they also have had a subsequent dip that got them fired or unless they were fired for non-coaching reasons. That's almost certainly going to be true whether we go crazy and fire Mullen after this year, or whether we slide for the next three years and we fire him, or whether he gets back on track and gets back to the same trend he's had for the past 6 years.

 

[woozman]

Not singling you out, but this board (and other MSU boards) is/are silly this week.

1. Mullen isn't getting fired, period. Not gonna happen so move on.

2. Like you said - Two easy games by some dude at Memphis.

3. Mullen has beaten every team he was supposed to except one with a much larger sample size, but you're mentioning some dude that has beaten the teams he was supposed to in two career games?

4. I love the "we need recruiting" crowd. They're fueled by the OM recruiting success, while ignoring that OM is about to get hammered for that "success".

Again, silly...........

 

[PonderThis1]

Not singling you out, but this board (and other MSU boards) is/are silly this week.

1. Mullen isn't getting fired, period. Not gonna happen so move on.

2. Like you said - Two easy games by some dude at Memphis.

3. Mullen has beaten every team he was supposed to except one with a much larger sample size, but you're mentioning some dude that has beaten the teams he was supposed to in two career games?

4. I love the "we need recruiting" crowd. They're fueled by the OM recruiting success, while ignoring that OM is about to get hammered for that "success".

Again, silly...........

Again, I said I think he leaves..... I would like for him to stay. I think you are allowed an off year every 8 years.

I am just bored on a Monday and was looking to see who others might like in the event he leaves/is fired for some unjust reason.

You people are looking for a reason to get upset. If you don't want to name a coach, then go start another thread about how we should keep Mullen and call the people that want him fired idiots. I have seen 2-3 already posted... And tbh I agree with that stance.

 

[patdog]

My pick is Dan Mullen.

 

[PonderThis1]

My pick is Dan Mullen.

That makes no sense. Read what I wrote.

 

[RocketDawg]

I don't want Mullen to leave, either voluntarily or involuntarily. But if he does, we should look long and hard at the coach at North Dakota State. If nothing else, he knows how to win.

 

[DAWG61]

Again, let's hear your pick since you seem to be smarter than everybody else.

Art Briles

 

[tired]

If he's allowed an off year he needs to be allowed an off pay. 17 that

 

[Philly Dawg]

Fedora isn't in the SEC West. What Mullen has done at MSU has been phenomenal. Very underrated coach.

 

[HaleStater]

I'm ready for Mullen to go. Does that mean he will? No. Does he necessarily deserve to go? No. I'm just tired of his sh*t. He's 5-29 against the Top 25. His game planning and personnel management has been atrocious. His recruiting has never been great but It has dipped bc his grinder 2 and 3 stars have been mediocre and haven't panned out. Freeze has made him his personal B*tch. He could leave tomorrow and I wouldn't shed a tear. There are a lot of coaches who would love to come here for north of $4 million. There are a lot of coaches that can also go 5-29 against the top 25 and beat the La Techs and Troy's of the world. That's not difficult.

 

[HD6]

How do we improve in that scenario? We hire another coach that go 5-29 vs the top 25 and beat the La Techs and Troys of the world. Why did we fire Mullen in that case?

Name me a coach MSU can get at 4 million a year that can consistently win top 25 games.

 

[HaleStater]

Smh you Change in the hopes of improving the current scenario. I'm just pointing out to the PO' ole State crowd Mullen isn't setting the world on fire. We can find someone to equal what he is doing. Don't give me the past BS either. Being the most successful coach in the modern era at MSU is like being the tallest midget in the room.

 

[HD6]

Why would we fire him if we are going to find someone equal to what he is doing? We need to find somebody who can improve upon what he is doing. So who is that guy?

 

[III.sixpack]

Y'all grow up and leave the guy alone. That is if he quits running Holloway up the middle more than once a game.

 

[patdog]

Why would we fire him if we are going to find someone equal to what he is doing? We need to find somebody who can improve upon what he is doing.

THIS. If you're going to fire Dan Mullen, you'd better have someone in mind that you're pretty sure will be a significant improvement. Right now, that's going to be difficult to do. Now, if he puts together a couple of 5-7 seasons back-to-back, then it would be a lot more realistic to hire someone who could improve on that. But that's not where we are now, and I don't think it's going to be where we are at the end of 2017.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Sometimes you have to step down for a moment to step up. These guys all have a higher ceiling the Mullen.

Yea .. recall almost the EXACT SAME QUOTE posted by Coach34 when we hired Rick Ray. How did that work out?

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

It worked out pretty damn good. We got Ben Howland now...as with Ray, sometimes it works sometime it don't. But that is what you have to do when you don't have the privilege of cherry picking top coaches. Basketball is waayyyyy different too.

 

[BiscuitEater]

I'm ready for Mullen to go.

Is there ANY MSU coach you DON'T want to get rid of? In your 31 posts on this board .. you wanted to Fire Stans .. not too happy with Howland .. want Cohen fired and now .. you want Mullen to go.

Did the Athletic Department leave you off the 'Christmas Card list?'

 

[Dawgzilla]

I don't think our new AD is going to fire Mullen as his first official act.

 

[Dawgg]

THIS. If you're going to fire Dan Mullen, you'd better have someone in mind that you're pretty sure will be a significant improvement.

And I swear by all that is unholy if you 17ers say Kliff Kingsbury, you automatically forfeit any credibility you might have in this discussion.

 

[RedSoxDawg]

Good lord, the names in this thread aren't a step up from Mullen, and in most cases are a pretty significant step down. If you think Mullen isn't doing a good enough job at MSU, the bar for replacements has to be a LOT higher than Mike Norvell, Willie Taggert, Philip Montgomery, and Larry Fedora.

They all have one thing in common...they have not done anything in the SEC West.