Where is your Nobel prize for proving that your god exist?
You really didn't prove anything...did ya?
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You really didn't prove anything...did ya?
You have no idea the possibilities over 4.5 billion years. It's quite possible many changes occurred that you can't comprehend.
I’m not trying to prove anything. God definitely doesn’t need little ole me to prove his existence. He’s made it more than obvious with many many complex things like the anatomy of the body and anatomy of the universe. There’s literally thousands of proofs within those 2 things.
That sounds pretty demanding and selfish, and very controlling!
If you want to blindly devote yourself to that, go for it! I'll wait for actual evidence.
You call yourself a Christian because you were told you should by someone else. You are afraid of the unknown, so you force yourself to pretend to accept this myth of God and the heavens must be true, even though no evidence exists for it. Your hope is that it's not all in vain.
What's logical about it? How is charitable more than logical? How is it charitable if conditions are attached?
Why wouldn't you come close to following those principles? Which am I not following now?
Hurting people doesn't mean you aren't following those principles. If I love someone but realize we aren't good together, so I leave them. I have hurt them, but I havs still lived by the principle of respecting them and doing what is best for them.
If he is making me an offer, that's not generosity. That's something for something.
Why do I need "him" to treat me like I succeedeed in following those principles when I know I have though? Why do I need to habe faith?
Well, sure it's blind faith. You're putting all your cards into something you have no clue or evidence for. Your belief is along the same logic as Santa Clause.
What evolutionists look silly? Which avoid debates? What blind faith is there in evolution? What don't we understand about evolution?
This doesn't even make sense. Can you check your writing and try again?
Lol, seems legit. The creation research society.
You do realize everything in that is opinion, right. No fact or evidence is provided.
I'm just waiting on this evidence god exists?
If he does exists, why is he allowing kids to be starved, beaten, tortured, raped, sold into sex slavery and so on?
Why does he allow disease to run rampant and make us watch our loved ones die slow painful diseases like cancer, infections, heart disease, alzheimers and so on?
Why does he allow women to be raped, beaten and treated like 2nd class citizens around the world?
Why does he allow our ecosystem and everything in it to be destroyed so easily? Particularly if he created it all?
Why allow so much pain and suffering in the world?
Sure seems like the all powerful could take care of some of these things.
I am sure I am going to hear about the Devil next! But, is God really no more powerful than one of his angels?
If he does exists, why is he allowing kids to be starved, beaten, tortured, raped, sold into sex slavery and so on?
Why does he allow disease to run rampant and make us watch our loved ones die slow painful diseases like cancer, infections, heart disease, alzheimers and so on?
Why does he allow women to be raped, beaten and treated like 2nd class citizens around the world?
Why does he allow our ecosystem and everything in it to be destroyed so easily? Particularly if he created it all?
Why allow so much pain and suffering in the world?
Sure seems like the all powerful could take care of some of these things.
I am sure I am going to hear about the Devil next! But, is God really no more powerful than one of his angels?
All those articles and still no evidence of changes of species…
Obviously you didn't read them. Several of them address that directly and show evidence of it.All those articles and still no evidence of changes of species…
You call yourself a Christian because you were told you should by someone else. You are afraid of the unknown, so you force yourself to pretend to accept this myth of God and the heavens must be true, even though no evidence exists for it. Your hope is that it's not all in vain.
What's logical about it? How is charitable more than logical? How is it charitable if conditions are attached?
Why wouldn't you come close to following those principles? Which am I not following now?
Hurting people doesn't mean you aren't following those principles. If I love someone but realize we aren't good together, so I leave them. I have hurt them, but I havs still lived by the principle of respecting them and doing what is best for them.
If he is making me an offer, that's not generosity. That's something for something.
Why do I need "him" to treat me like I succeedeed in following those principles when I know I have though? Why do I need to habe faith?
Well, sure it's blind faith. You're putting all your cards into something you have no clue or evidence for. Your belief is along the same logic as Santa Clause.
What evolutionists look silly? Which avoid debates? What blind faith is there in evolution? What don't we understand about evolution?
This doesn't even make sense. Can you check your writing and try again?
Lol, seems legit. The creation research society.
You do realize everything in that is opinion, right. No fact or evidence is provided.
I’m gonna be honest, I didn’t read any of those. Respond to me with the one link where species changed. Not 100, not 10 just 1 little simple change of species??? I’ll wait here all day. I will not give you the time of day without proof of change of species
Obviously you didn't read them. Several of them address that directly and show evidence of it.
Please just show me ONE link where a changed to species took place with credible evidence???
I just gave you 10. You can either choose to read them or not. I cannot make you accept things you're unwilling to accept.
Now, I'll gladly wait on your evidence that counters them or your evidence of creationism or God. Be here all day!
No you didn’t. It’s not happened, it can’t happen and will never happen. The links aren’t working for me. Please tell me, what animal evolved to a different species? Tell me what animal it was with factual evidence and I’ll quit being a Christian today and follow evolution. But you won’t and can’t so I’ll get some off the wall reply again. Just name the animal???
Whales for one. Pakicetus. They used to have legs and be capable of living on land. Of course you would know that if you bothered to read the articles.
I’m sorry..I responded to a couple of the comments that helped spark this exchange
Didn’t realize it would go so far
It’s still a whale tho. It didn’t change species. It was a whale before and after losing the legs.
You might be shocked, but an alligator still lives in both water and land.
Of course it changed species, slowly. However, you seem to misunderstand what you're trying to argue. Something changing species doesn't require a massive genetic change or a 100% change. For instance, modern day primates and humans share over 98% similar DNA. So less than a 2% change would result in 1 evolving into the other, or one of the countless similar sub-species.
The isse is you creationists refuse to accept what is right in front of you. No matter what anyone shows you, it will never be adequate because you choose to convince yourself you believe otherwise to avoid the the likely realities of that. However, a much better and logic argument would be embracing both the concepts of evolution and God.
You have zero evidence and that’s the issue. 4.5 billion years without a single proof of change of species. You can’t and never will provide anything substantial to back up what you’re saying even slightly. So have a good day sir, and as always, Go Cats!!
Sure there is. There is plenty of fossil evidence, as well as anotomical evidence in modern species to support them. There is observational research, recorded over thousands of years that demonstrates evolution within species and subspecies. In fact, there is far more evidence of evolution than God.
I provided 10 links which you chose to ignore. Again, I can't make you read or accept things you choose not to. But that doesn't mean they don't exist.
Best of luck!
No there isn’t, there is zero evidence to back up change of species. Not one instance where a whale evolved to a Donkey or anything other than a…. Whale.
Have a nice day sir.
I can give examples of God existence. The anatomy of the human body, the solar system and planets being perfect circles, the change of seasons, morals, a conscious, reproductive structures in living things.
Now give me one example of change of species???
How is any of that existence of God? Can you provide evidence of it?
I did! You don't seem to understand what a change of species is.
I’ve provided many many proofs that God exists. You choose to believe that all this happened by accident and I choose to believe that all this has a creator. Nothing perfect comes from an accident.
You didn’t. Your best argument is metamorphism and that isn’t even close to change of species.
What proof have you provided? You just listed things you believe must point to a God simply because they exist. That's not evidence, it's opinion. One that lacks any logic or evidence.
Sure I did. You just don't seem to understand the concept of evolution and species. I can't make you accept things you don't want to accept. Best of luck!
Nothing perfect comes from an accident. The human body is perfect, the earth is perfect and the solar system/planets are perfect. Those are all evidence of a creator, not an explosion.
Please refresh my memory on the species that changes into another species, I must of missed it??? All you’ve showed me is metamorphism. And if we evolved from Apes, what did the apes evolve from? What did the species evolve from before that? If we evolved from the sea and fish, where did those come from?
I mean you should be able to answer all these since you place your faith in it, right?? I don’t expect to get any of those questions answered, by the way. You can’t and won’t attempt to answer them and I know this.
Those are opinions, particularly about the earth and human body being perfect.
Those are evidence of evolution. Why would we need 7 other planets, moons, asteroids, comets, stars, black holes, other solar systems and so on? Wouldn't God have just been able to create Earth?
Do you honestly beleive the Earth was just created a few thousand years ago?
This is actually the best question you have asked so far! We ultimately all evolved from tiny cells and microorgamisms that evolved over billions of years after the planet cooled from the effects of the big bang. As our atmosphere formed and enabled life to exists, organisms began evolving into species.
Now, the ultimate question is what caused the big bang? Could that be a creator? Absolutely! Could it also be something else we have yet to discover like hyper active particles colliding at an exact time and manner that caused the expansion of the universe? Sure!
Either way however, those still both require humans evolving over time from cells that where here billions of years before us. As were millions of species. Some of which we ultimately evolved from.
Unless you believe in the whole 6 days the earth was created and then God created man from dirt, which in itself is technically evolution, as is the belief woman was created from a rib of a man.
All species have evolved. They don't evolve from donkeys to butterflies as you suggested, but that not evolution. Homosapiens evolved from species with similar genetic codes. It's evident that genetic code is the primate species as we share over 98% DNA with them. A less than 2% evolution in genetic sequence would make us identical.
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The human body is subject to disease, dependent on food and water, subject to temperature, subject to time (old age). Far from perfect.
None of that has anything to do with the anatomy of a human body but keep deflecting, you and others of the science community are experts at that.
Those are opinions, particularly about the earth and human body being perfect.
Those are evidence of evolution. Why would we need 7 other planets, moons, asteroids, comets, stars, black holes, other solar systems and so on? Wouldn't God have just been able to create Earth?
Do you honestly beleive the Earth was just created a few thousand years ago?
This is actually the best question you have asked so far! We ultimately all evolved from tiny cells and microorgamisms that evolved over billions of years after the planet cooled from the effects of the big bang. As our atmosphere formed and enabled life to exists, organisms began evolving into species.
Now, the ultimate question is what caused the big bang? Could that be a creator? Absolutely! Could it also be something else we have yet to discover like hyper active particles colliding at an exact time and manner that caused the expansion of the universe? Sure!
Either way however, those still both require humans evolving over time from cells that where here billions of years before us. As were millions of species. Some of which we ultimately evolved from.
Unless you believe in the whole 6 days the earth was created and then God created man from dirt, which in itself is technically evolution, as is the belief woman was created from a rib of a man.
Still not one proof of evolution to a new species. Just a bunch of paragraphs of theories to deflect.
The earth
hurricains, tornados, earthquakes, world wide floods, volcanoes.
Just a few examples the earth is not perfect.
Wonder if previous civilizations without the technology to manipulate weather thought the earth is perfect.
hurricains, tornados, earthquakes, world wide floods, volcanoes.
Just a few examples the earth is not perfect.
Wonder if previous civilizations without the technology to manipulate weather thought the earth is perfect.
Sure there is. It's been presented. You denying that doesn't make it so. At this point you're just trolling.
So the nonsense you ramble is not deflection? Gotcha
Damn sure is not proof for a god.
Sure they did. Everything to sustain life is provided by God naturally through the earth and his creation.
Wonder if those scientists ever figured out where the original ball of matter came from that started the Big Bang??? I mean the first rule of science is something can’t come from nothing, so they should have an answer by now.