Now tell me that Wheeler is the starting PG
Wallace
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Now tell me that Wheeler is the starting PG
Wallace is our only real definitive first round pick.
Change my mind, BBN.
Change my mind, BBN.
That’s just fax no printer
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My five
Wheeler
Wallace
Frederick
Toppin
Oscar
Threeves 6th man
Wheeler
Wallace
Frederick
Toppin
Oscar
Threeves 6th man
thats not getting it done,switch wheeler out
Can we have Fredrick in if he doesn't play defense AND is not hitting shots? I'm a bit skeptical. I feel like Livingston or Reeves may be the better option.
Wallace/Reeves/Livingston/Toppin/Oscar?
Collins/UGO should never play this year. Collins has to gain 20lbs before I’d ever let him see the floor again and Ugo is just a raw freshman w tons of upside.
Ware can come in on energy spurts to sub Oscar.
But the chunk of minutes should be Wallace/CJ/Reeves/Toppin/O/Wheeler/Livingston/Thiero….Ware only spotting Oscar the rest of those names that are pretty interchangeable as long as one of the PGs are on the floor and can occasionally have both together.
Ware can come in on energy spurts to sub Oscar.
But the chunk of minutes should be Wallace/CJ/Reeves/Toppin/O/Wheeler/Livingston/Thiero….Ware only spotting Oscar the rest of those names that are pretty interchangeable as long as one of the PGs are on the floor and can occasionally have both together.
That means Cal will have him coming off the bench behind the Stump soon...
I just laughed my arse off. CJ shoots 3-16 in our losses against Michigan State and Gonzaga and Wheeler is the first one you would take out. Some of you are just idiots.
They actually have to guard CJ tho. Wheeler gets sagged off and dared to shoot
I just laughed my arse off. CJ shoots 3-16 in our losses against Michigan State and Gonzaga and Wheeler is the first one you would take out. Some of you are just idiots.
I have missed you Pink TuTu, what happened this past summer. Did your Grandmama make you get out of the basement and get a job? I actually prayed for you many times that you're health was alright.Says Ed's understudy... [laughing]
Let the games begin
It's okay that you picture you me in a tu tu while you touch yourself...different strokes for different folks.
No worries, just wash your hands and keep them to yourself when you're not plugging Chewbaca...or are you a strictly a catcher?
Yeah we probably need to just rip the bandaid off and roll with Cason. And if it's not Casons night, put Wheeler in for him to control the game.
I don't think Cason is a for sure better option than Wheeler.. but we need to make the switch and develop Cason. This has been some of the worst we've looked.. and the blame has to fall in part to the PG.. there's something Wheeler just isn't providing right now.
I don't think Cason is a for sure better option than Wheeler.. but we need to make the switch and develop Cason. This has been some of the worst we've looked.. and the blame has to fall in part to the PG.. there's something Wheeler just isn't providing right now.
He can shoot and certainly defend, Wheeler is left wide open by other teams and can only defend similar Oompa Loompa's...
Who gives a damn what kyle Tucker says? I would trust having dinner with Jeffrey dahmer before a journalists evaluation of talent. He’s a 1st class idiot who is a mouth piece for a washed out coach. Why do you care what his opinion is? His first tweet was some facts. His second his idiotic opinion. He’s also calling out Matt Jones in some other tweets. The guy is unprofessional as hell. Just do your job kyle and stop with this half assed wishwashy takes. I mean who can take a journalist seriously when they act like Baghdad bob?
I doubt Kyle Tucker was even an athlete. Probably a DyD nerd. What a joke. Next!
Wheeler needs to run into another screen
Wallace
Fredrick
Livingston
Toppin
Tshiebwe
Sorry, I am not impressed with Reeves. He’s a mid-major talent. He’ll score 20 a night against Cupcake U but he can’t hang with the big boys. Maybe he’ll come on later in the season, but right now he is a deer in headlights against elite competition. I’ll take a Freshman Livingston who should get better and at least rebounds and plays aggressive on the defensive end. The 3 spot should be a strength, but it looks pretty pedestrian right now.
Fredrick
Livingston
Toppin
Tshiebwe
Sorry, I am not impressed with Reeves. He’s a mid-major talent. He’ll score 20 a night against Cupcake U but he can’t hang with the big boys. Maybe he’ll come on later in the season, but right now he is a deer in headlights against elite competition. I’ll take a Freshman Livingston who should get better and at least rebounds and plays aggressive on the defensive end. The 3 spot should be a strength, but it looks pretty pedestrian right now.
I agree but someone has got to make shots too. Our shooters have been horrific against teams with a pulse. Can't get assists if no shots fall. And of course that's when Wheeler loses his mind and tries to bail us out to our detriment.
Oh I know. We need better plays for them but they ALSO need to just play better and be SOMEWHAT decent defensively.
We're essentially right where we were at the end of last year.. Wheeler being stuck with no wings to facilitate and just a lot of offensively challenged bigs.
Well, he is one of the few that plays hard most of the time. Can count on him and Adu to at least give a lot of effort. Why is he in peoples grill and nobody else is? Cal needs to talk to him about that. Making the others look bad.
Like you ever played ball. Who is Baghdad bob? Ive been there, never met anyone named Bob
I’d like to see Thiero get 20 minutes of meaningful action in the next game. He could very well help the team win more than all of those guys. How so?
Hits open shots, including threes. (The rest struggle with this)
Takes good shots. (Reeves and Livingston struggle with this)
Rebounds (only Livingston does this)
Has good handles (Only Reeves’ can dribble, and how well is questionable)
Plays D (The others have all looked bad)
Can play at least three positions.
The fact that Thiero isn’t even being given opportunities in meaningful games is another indictment on Cal. Especially when he’s most likely to be back next year with the super class.
So youre telling me when we play the big boys you want CJ in there when he cant shoot? Shoots 3 for 16 , forgive me its off the top of my head 18.75%, you want to blame Wheeler who only played 17 minutes!
CJ shot 50% or higher from three 17 times against P-5 competition at Iowa. You're going to give up on him this early in the season just because he's still getting the rust off after not playing a real game for 20 months?
That is my point of all this! Babies crying because of 2 losses in November. I love CJ and what he stands for. Im putting him in as my starter in my top 5. But this nonsense about Wheeler. Plz!
Cal is grooming a team, let him do it, you know he has said before, i think it was Alabama game years ago. he said in summary, i wanted to lose that game after we lost focus so i can teach.
Hard truths for UK fans:
1. Collins is the textbook example of ranking a kid based on potential. He is a sophomore in college and is still too skinny, raw, and looks completely lost on the floor. He's the type who could easily dominate high school basketball, be a dunking/blocking machine in AAU, and it all makes sense that he's lost in college.
2. Frederick was a ROLE player at Iowa. People are now expecting him to be a star at UK. He is what he is. Can't defend a lamp post. Not exactly Doron Lamb from the perimeter, either. Not even Lee Humphrey (Florida's sharp-shooter who played a huge role in their back-to-back titles) from what I can tell.
3. Wheeler is at best a back-up who should bring some energy/spark off the bench in situations. But Cal thinks he's Tyler Ulis, clearly, allowing him to shoot as many threes as he takes while getting so many minutes. If Cal wants to start him at PG and ride him into March like last season, just lower your expectations now. Need to watch the St. Peter's film to remind you? Go watch the Michigan State game and the last 5 mins of regulation and OT/OT, because it was the same disaster out of him.
4. Toppin is a role player. Athletic, limited basketball skills. There's a reason he was at Rhode Island and not exactly their go-to guy there, either. But for some reason, the UK hype machine has people expecting Toppin to be All-SEC. Ridiculous. He is NOT an NBA player.
5. Livingston is a nice player who *should* be in college at least 3 years. I observed/posted about him after watching a few of the televised high school games. He's Alex Poythress 2.0 and Cal will use him as such - i.e., try to jam him in there as a wing player, shooting corner 3's, instead of slashing to the rim. If he leaves UK after 1 year, he'll never be heard from again (unless it's to transfer and blossom elsewhere). Relying on him for much this season is going to lead to failed expectations. Too soon to tell what he could develop into, though.
6. If nobody transfers from this roster by January, consider that a miracle given Cal's track record and what we are currently seeing play out on the court w/ his lineup atrocities and mismanagement of players.
7. Calipari is washed. I don't know why it's so hard for some fans to admit it. He had a GREAT run, but it's over. If you need to see him screw up next year's recruiting class to finally understand, so be it. But we're going to be watching a lineup of guys born to run just pounding the ball into the floor, standing still, waiting until 6 seconds left on the shot clock before initiating movement, and losing games to teams UK should not lose because Cal limits the number of possessions and plays half-court basketball with a roster of athletes.
8. Wallace and Oscar. The rest are just college role players.
1. Collins is the textbook example of ranking a kid based on potential. He is a sophomore in college and is still too skinny, raw, and looks completely lost on the floor. He's the type who could easily dominate high school basketball, be a dunking/blocking machine in AAU, and it all makes sense that he's lost in college.
2. Frederick was a ROLE player at Iowa. People are now expecting him to be a star at UK. He is what he is. Can't defend a lamp post. Not exactly Doron Lamb from the perimeter, either. Not even Lee Humphrey (Florida's sharp-shooter who played a huge role in their back-to-back titles) from what I can tell.
3. Wheeler is at best a back-up who should bring some energy/spark off the bench in situations. But Cal thinks he's Tyler Ulis, clearly, allowing him to shoot as many threes as he takes while getting so many minutes. If Cal wants to start him at PG and ride him into March like last season, just lower your expectations now. Need to watch the St. Peter's film to remind you? Go watch the Michigan State game and the last 5 mins of regulation and OT/OT, because it was the same disaster out of him.
4. Toppin is a role player. Athletic, limited basketball skills. There's a reason he was at Rhode Island and not exactly their go-to guy there, either. But for some reason, the UK hype machine has people expecting Toppin to be All-SEC. Ridiculous. He is NOT an NBA player.
5. Livingston is a nice player who *should* be in college at least 3 years. I observed/posted about him after watching a few of the televised high school games. He's Alex Poythress 2.0 and Cal will use him as such - i.e., try to jam him in there as a wing player, shooting corner 3's, instead of slashing to the rim. If he leaves UK after 1 year, he'll never be heard from again (unless it's to transfer and blossom elsewhere). Relying on him for much this season is going to lead to failed expectations. Too soon to tell what he could develop into, though.
6. If nobody transfers from this roster by January, consider that a miracle given Cal's track record and what we are currently seeing play out on the court w/ his lineup atrocities and mismanagement of players.
7. Calipari is washed. I don't know why it's so hard for some fans to admit it. He had a GREAT run, but it's over. If you need to see him screw up next year's recruiting class to finally understand, so be it. But we're going to be watching a lineup of guys born to run just pounding the ball into the floor, standing still, waiting until 6 seconds left on the shot clock before initiating movement, and losing games to teams UK should not lose because Cal limits the number of possessions and plays half-court basketball with a roster of athletes.
8. Wallace and Oscar. The rest are just college role players.
I keep replaying portions of the MSU and Gonzaga games looking for evidence that Fredrick doesn't play defense, and I can't find it. Not that he hasn't made a mistake here or there, or gotten blown by a few times, but I've seen everybody make many mistakes and get blown by. I also watch and I see nobody on the team that plays better *team* defense than Fredrick.
Everybody loves Wallace's defense, but it's all individual defense. His team defense is mediocre at best. Here's an example:
Watch how Wallace leaves his man wide open under the basket. He's trying to help out on Timme, but loses track of where his man is. He's in a terrible position - kind of playing a one-man zone in the paint while Timme is 17 feet from the basket with Toppin on him.
People around here probably think that was CJ's man who missed the easy reverse layup because he was forced to leave his man that was on the 3-pt line to go pick up Wallace's unguarded man. Then CJ's man gets the follow-up dunk.
Here's another example:
Wallace is way too far off his man to help down low, and gives up a wide open 3. Again CJ is forced to leave his man to help but can't get there in time. Everybody probably thinks this is CJ's fault too. Wallace never should have been that low.
Here's another sequence where Wallace leaves his man (#0) wide open for a 3 because his weak side help was way too far off his man (not to mention it wasn't really needed because the guy who drove already had 3 UK players surrounding him) .
How about this play, where Wallace goes under the screen and give up the three:
In fairness, Fredrick made the same mistake early in the game.
I could easily post a dozen more similar screwups by Wallace and others (including Oscar). Singling out Fredrick as being a bad defender while ignoring the bad defense played by everyone else is absurd.
our only consistent players in big games are Wallace and Oscar, that's settled. Build your team around those two. What compliments them and gets you defense and rebounding.
We are throwing out all kinds of line ups ONLY because everyone else besides those two have sucked azzz in the big games. (Theiro excluded, not seen the floor in big games) We can blame Cal but everyone but Wallace and Oscar playing like shizzz isn't entirely Cal's fault.
PS the above poster who says Fredrick is good on defense is smoking crack. I have proof. it's in his idiotic thesis statement. Yeah Wallace is so bad on defense he about leads nation in steals.
We are throwing out all kinds of line ups ONLY because everyone else besides those two have sucked azzz in the big games. (Theiro excluded, not seen the floor in big games) We can blame Cal but everyone but Wallace and Oscar playing like shizzz isn't entirely Cal's fault.
PS the above poster who says Fredrick is good on defense is smoking crack. I have proof. it's in his idiotic thesis statement. Yeah Wallace is so bad on defense he about leads nation in steals.