No one is saying that the lounges are impossible. They are inconvenient to the average joe. Being a legitimate part of one requires effort and foresight before going to the actual game. If you plan in advance and do your part, one invitation is enough to get an open invitation. That much is true.
The Left Field Lounge
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No one is saying that the lounges are impossible. They are inconvenient to the average joe. Being a legitimate part of one requires effort and foresight before going to the actual game. If you plan in advance and do your part, one invitation is enough to get an open invitation. That much is true.
When was the last time you were there for a SBW/Regional situation? Those rig owners are running around like chickens with their heads cut off, and everyone there is asking them for something. They will grant permission, their wife's friend will be mad that she can't see the right fielder from her seat, and the cycle never stops. I pity those guys on the big weekends and make it a point to stay out of their way. And generally don't even try to go to the rigs I have access to. I know they are overwhelmed. But there is no room anywhere. I agree with you in principle that it's a great idea to ask and put forth a little work there. But it's best done prior to the insanity.
Yeah OP, I have regular spots in LFL & right since the 80s. Best thing you can do, get to know the griller & regulars. Slip in a 20 to the cook after some good convo. or bring some food. It isn't all free unless earned. By that I mean you better be somebody. Otherwise make the connections, I hope this helps you OP!
I definitely won't argue with this post. But I think it's lost on people that the reason it's packed to begin with is bc the rig owners, as you said, gave permission for every swinging dick that asked. To turn that generosity into false entitlement is unfair IMO.
That's exactly the case. I didn't want any of their food. I didn't want a beer. It never occured when I heard the crowd roar to ask the people who the owner was, spend five minutes tracking him down, to ask him if I could watch the play that happened five minutes before. I'm not a complete jackass. I smile at people and say hello. I didn't become confrontational when the first guy was a cock. I simply stopped and let my son watch a freakin play. At no time was I anything but nice. I know they pay good money. Hell $200 split five ways is a lot to some people. But for those guys to act like its the "ultimate bucket list experience" is a load.
I agree with this idea, but with one tweak. If you had a spot or two where MSU constructed a "rig" and catered the food, they could offer this to individuals as premium tickets. You would have to share the rig with others (unless you had the resources to buy every available spot). I know the athletic dept. has done something similar in the past by auctioning off spots in one of the DWS suites.
What's even worse is
that during the Super Regional I was walking through the LFL, in the right field in front of the scoreboard. Something happened on the field and I stopped to take a peak between a couple of the rigs for a few minutes to see what was going on. As I was standing there, some drunk prick who's lazy *** was posted up on the ledge of the scoreboard 40 feet back of me was yelling "Hey you SIT DOWN, MOVE!" repeatedly. I never turned my head backwards and made it a point to stand there for 15 minutes just to hear the drunk prick yell. I'm thinking who the 17 does this guy think he is standing in a general admission area to tell someone to move out of their way?
I always have access to chair back seats during the year and that's where I always sit. Then when postseason comes around that when the ticket holders like to come watch games which is perfect. But yes, like the original poster stated, if you have no connections trying to watch the game in/around LFL is terrible. Most everyone (certainly not all) out there is drunk and acts like entitled 17s.
And I don't give two cents about how much money you spent to be out there, that gives no one the right to not extend common courtesy.
that during the Super Regional I was walking through the LFL, in the right field in front of the scoreboard. Something happened on the field and I stopped to take a peak between a couple of the rigs for a few minutes to see what was going on. As I was standing there, some drunk prick who's lazy *** was posted up on the ledge of the scoreboard 40 feet back of me was yelling "Hey you SIT DOWN, MOVE!" repeatedly. I never turned my head backwards and made it a point to stand there for 15 minutes just to hear the drunk prick yell. I'm thinking who the 17 does this guy think he is standing in a general admission area to tell someone to move out of their way?
I always have access to chair back seats during the year and that's where I always sit. Then when postseason comes around that when the ticket holders like to come watch games which is perfect. But yes, like the original poster stated, if you have no connections trying to watch the game in/around LFL is terrible. Most everyone (certainly not all) out there is drunk and acts like entitled 17s.
And I don't give two cents about how much money you spent to be out there, that gives no one the right to not extend common courtesy.
Perhaps this is the issue...
From what I have read here the LFL of today would be barely recognizable to the fans of the 80s. It would seem like a foreign country to the fans of the 60s and 70s. What started out as a cow pasture to watch the game for free seems to have morphed into a place of territorial zeal fueled by a 10 X 10 X 10 hole to put money into. Unfortunately, anything good always comes down to $. Might not start out that way but gets there eventually.
One person said the unwritten understanding was that people with an inside spot's 'property' extended to the fence. Sounds like the university should have been a little more detailed in the rules for LFL because the regulars certainly have made their own. Unfortunately though it seems to have lead to kind of a set-up for outsiders because they are admitted to the area as if its a go where you want kinda thing but in reality it is not. Good, bad or indifferent the LFL does appear to be a pretty exclusive club. That is not meant to be a knock, just a statement of reality.
I always wondered why the university was seemingly ruining the LFL with the new stadium design. This thread has cast a bit of light on that for me.
From what I have read here the LFL of today would be barely recognizable to the fans of the 80s. It would seem like a foreign country to the fans of the 60s and 70s. What started out as a cow pasture to watch the game for free seems to have morphed into a place of territorial zeal fueled by a 10 X 10 X 10 hole to put money into. Unfortunately, anything good always comes down to $. Might not start out that way but gets there eventually.
One person said the unwritten understanding was that people with an inside spot's 'property' extended to the fence. Sounds like the university should have been a little more detailed in the rules for LFL because the regulars certainly have made their own. Unfortunately though it seems to have lead to kind of a set-up for outsiders because they are admitted to the area as if its a go where you want kinda thing but in reality it is not. Good, bad or indifferent the LFL does appear to be a pretty exclusive club. That is not meant to be a knock, just a statement of reality.
I always wondered why the university was seemingly ruining the LFL with the new stadium design. This thread has cast a bit of light on that for me.
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I own a rig in right center. Been there over 20 years and for those 20 years I've either towed it in or had it towed in, climb underneath to block it, add legs for support, stairs and take care of all the necessary repairs. The rent for our space is $175 and will increase to 2k with the new stadium. For those 20 years we've had family and friends come up and eat, drink and watch the game. Problem enters when those people who you invite up invite others or someone who knows someone on the trailer decides there comming up to say hi. Next problem is those people don't ask they just help themselves to any drink or food that may be there. They stay long enough to finish eating or drinking, help themselves again then leave. No thank you or offer to pay for anything that I or my partner have paid for. So yes during the season we're very selective on who we allow up and during the regional and super we were very specific, only those invited were allowed up. So if I'm "entitled" so be it. If I'm acting like a dick oh well. Buy a ticket sit in the bleachers or grandstand, I've paid for my season ticket, put my hard earned money, sweat and tears in keeping it safe to sit on so I do have the absolute right to say who can come on my trailer and who can't and so do all the other LFL owners.
The new "LFL" is going to reduce the amount of Sq footage by approximately half and make it from where the "rigs" can only hold 6-8 people instead of 30 to 50 now.
Seems like if anything that'll make it harder to find a spot out there.
Seems like if anything that'll make it harder to find a spot out there.
And using "entitled" as an adjective is a completely different meaning...
"believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment."
The point is, the guy didn't say he barged on to somebody's property. You can walk around the LFL without trespassing. I know that people like YOU don't believe that, but it's looking like you're way too fanatical about YOUR left field lounge.
"believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment."
The point is, the guy didn't say he barged on to somebody's property. You can walk around the LFL without trespassing. I know that people like YOU don't believe that, but it's looking like you're way too fanatical about YOUR left field lounge.
He has a valid point .. simply stated without histrionics and with examples. It actually applies to a 'majority' of MSU baseball fans. Instead of just posting a pejorative .. it would be better to explain 'why' his point is not valid?
I don't mind a LFL space holder keeping their space for their own, but that wooden boardwalk was designed as public for anyone to walk around the stadium. It was not meant to be closed off for the spot holders behind it to claim. It was also meant to help people watch the game over the outfield fence when we changed from a see-through fence and keep them from literally hanging on the fence.
That pissed me off when LFL spot holders started claiming the boardwalk. They didn't purchase that space. Walking in the space behind the rigs often meant walking in the mud and not being able to see the game in progress.
The school knows that became a problem so for the new stadium they designed an outfield walkway that cannot be claimed. Or shouldn't.
That pissed me off when LFL spot holders started claiming the boardwalk. They didn't purchase that space. Walking in the space behind the rigs often meant walking in the mud and not being able to see the game in progress.
The school knows that became a problem so for the new stadium they designed an outfield walkway that cannot be claimed. Or shouldn't.
The majority of fans are cool, but those who got lifetime licenses are mainly total ********. The feel like since they got a sweetheart deal from Templeton, that they should continue to be catered to in the new park. Truth be told, most dont want a new park and come out and say that they don't care that others are stuck on metal bleachers or have terrible site angles. That strut around like they are the MSU baseball ruling class. I hate that Stricklin catered to them at all. No one should have been promised anything and everything seat and LFL site should have been done by Bulldog Club rank like the other sports.
I've been thinking this would be a huge issue as well. Add on the fact that the price is increasing by 10 and you won't have to worry about anyone being nice to you anymore out there. They won't have the room to be nice.
Let's be honest, the ONLY reason this is even an issue is the price of entry. Fans don't have the same resentment with people in skyboxes at football game. People see the $400 price tag and think "that should be me because I can afford it". And I totally understand that.
That's part of it but I think the real resentment comes from the fact that the spots aren't open for renting to other Bulldogs. It's the same 200 owners every single year. That's wonderful for the 200 and their friends that kiss their *** every year. For everyone else it sucks.
The reason people "want into" the current lounges is because it's their only real opportunity to enjoy the game in the outfield/in a situation that they can drink or eat for the most part. There is no comfortable place to set up/sit/halfway see and especially not grill out otherwise in the current iteration of the stadium...
If the stadium is done right(tiers rather than the projected sloped berms, at least under the scoreboard in RF(students)/down the RF line(alums)) and the same "opportunities" that the lounges provide are accessible to everyone, there will be much less demand/effort from outside people trying to get into those lounge spots to begin with.
The whole thing about it is being able to setup somewhere where people can 1) gather, 2) drink, 3) grill, and 4) at least somewhat comfortably see the game...
Well, it's that and the fact that a vocal portion of the people getting a sweetheart deal are *** holes about it. I appreciate the fact that LFL won't be LFL without people consistently out there during the weekday games, which is why I am glad the university isn't just starting from scratch with the LFL based on bulldog points. But there are definitely some people that don't help the cause.
Definitely don't ***** about paying for food for every game when people in equivalent spots for other sports not only pay much more for the spot, they also pay inflated prices for stadium food rather than getting to bring their own food in.
Also - you can't get to the suites without a pass. There is nothing stopping anyone from walking in the outfield as it currently stands.
I don't have a problem with people not allowing people on their rigs. It's their rigs. I just wish there was a better view for people that want to experience the LFL but don't have a spot. And currently - you can't watch the game unless you know someone with a spot.
I don't have a problem with people not allowing people on their rigs. It's their rigs. I just wish there was a better view for people that want to experience the LFL but don't have a spot. And currently - you can't watch the game unless you know someone with a spot.
I don't think that's it... It's the fact that these people have never been offered a legitimate opportunity to "buy into" what DNF is. Really, there was 3 snapshots there and limited opportunities otherwise. 86, 97, and whenever the lounges last expanded... And in reality, the 97 expansion and lounge expansion weren't options to average people. I've been in the skyboxes. I see the names on the doors there. And there has never been a single cancellation up there. At least that is what I was told.
I don't resent anyone for being in the right place at the right time. I just think we can do a much better job of making the experience more positive for everyone else while still allowing all of those people to keep doing their thing. With less interference once these people have the legitimate option to do those things themselves. And the ability to really capitalize on the baseball program in a way we have not done thusfar. It's a drum I've been beating for a long time.
And this is why all of those people counting on standing out there watching a game are living a pipe-dream. Where do you think the people that can no longer fit on their friends rig are going to hang out? On the walkway around their friend's spots. That's where. And, if they're not allowed to congregate there, what makes someone else think they'll just be able to walk around and stand there.
I'm sorry that the OP had that experience but SBW, Regional and Super Regional play are not good times to make your first trip to the lounge. Our rig, which usually has between 1 to 6 people per game is loaded with 24 seated and another handful standing around it during these times. For the record, if we're not packed, we've never turned anybody down that has asked to sit on our rig. Sitting there doesn't however give you free run of the food and baseball water since we only bring enough food for those that are coming and our trailer is BYOBW. Hell, you can even come back for game 2 of the series. If you show up for game 3, you better have an armload of groceries and beverages though.
As far as people dropping out when the price increases, I've heard that only 1 spot did not reserve. That means 85 other spots have already paid their $750 deposit and will pay the last $1250 by July following stadium completion. And, to the person asking about being required to buy season tickets, I don't think that is a requirement but personally I think it should be a requirement to buy multiple season tickets per rig to maintain a spot. And, not just buy them but have a minimum use requirement too which could be easily documented now with the scan-able tickets. I'm in quarters on a rig but my name isn't on the spot so I don't know all of the ins and outs but I think it wasn't until the Ninja was here that you even had to be a Bulldog Club member to own a spot out there. That was a definite step in the right direction.
Cant help but laugh at you. You either need to learn manners or take a civics course. He didnt say he asked anyone for permission.
Guess this means we can all help ourselves to anything you've ever bought in your life without asking. Your stuff is our stuff. Thanks, breh.
You can call me fanatical. Lol. But make sure it's all-encompassing and not just in regards to LFL. If I pay for something and own the title, and you show up uninvited and act like it's yours, Ill do more than give you the stank eye. I imagine you would to if you can apply the situation outside of your views of LFL.
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You can't wander through someone's skybox without a ticket or invitation - same holds for the LFL. Just because it's a different price point doesn't change the matter.
The comparison with the Neshoba County Fair is accurate, but not for reasons you cover.
I agree with dawgstudent that eliminating the rigs will be an acceptably small negative. I don't have one myself, but I've helped friends move them in and out in the past and been a guest on them before, and I can say there's more to it than just showing up on a Super Regional weekend and occupying space. Like the cabins at the fair, the owners are responsible for these things year round. They haul them in before the season and out right after, have to store them somewhere in the meantime and maintain whatever requires maintaining. They clean up their campsites after the games, for the most part, themselves. They do pay to be there, admittedly not a lot, but they're paying the price required.
If you walk between someone's rig and the fence uninvited during a Super, its like showing up at a hunting club you haven't paid to join to hunt opening day. Where were you when we were hanging stands and planting food plots? Opening day is not the time to make first introductions and ask to hunt, just like a SR isn't the time to appear at a LFL rig and just start watching the game.
But it's for the kids? Sure. Now you're teaching him to just show up and absorb resources too.
The comparison with the Neshoba County Fair is accurate, but not for reasons you cover.
I agree with dawgstudent that eliminating the rigs will be an acceptably small negative. I don't have one myself, but I've helped friends move them in and out in the past and been a guest on them before, and I can say there's more to it than just showing up on a Super Regional weekend and occupying space. Like the cabins at the fair, the owners are responsible for these things year round. They haul them in before the season and out right after, have to store them somewhere in the meantime and maintain whatever requires maintaining. They clean up their campsites after the games, for the most part, themselves. They do pay to be there, admittedly not a lot, but they're paying the price required.
If you walk between someone's rig and the fence uninvited during a Super, its like showing up at a hunting club you haven't paid to join to hunt opening day. Where were you when we were hanging stands and planting food plots? Opening day is not the time to make first introductions and ask to hunt, just like a SR isn't the time to appear at a LFL rig and just start watching the game.
But it's for the kids? Sure. Now you're teaching him to just show up and absorb resources too.
It's a 360* concourse. Literally the only place in the stadium on the main walkway that you can't stand and see the game is behind the center field wall...
In the new design, there is no reason to cram down in front of the lounges or ever go down into them at all -- since you can perfectly see the game over the top of them and from behind them. And that's where the main "walking path" exists rather than the fakeout wood walking path in front of the lounges directly behind the fence.
I'm done with this... you clearly don't get it.
Walking around in the LFL with your kid is not the same as barging in to somebodies tailgate and/or stealing people's ****. I wish JR were here to bust this obtuseness.
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Walking around in the LFL with your kid is not the same as barging in to somebodies tailgate and/or stealing people's ****. I wish JR were here to bust this obtuseness.
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Going back to my original point. It's not about sitting on your rig or eating your food. It's a simple walk through to see if I could see anyone I knew. Nothing more. Nothing less. And judging by the replies from the Lounge defenders, I feel more confident now that I'm 100% correct in my assessment. And that's if you don't have a rig, and you wear maroon, you'd better not disturb the natives. I guess the next time I want to take my son for a walk through the lounge, I'll just put on the opposing team's colors. That way people can slob my knob on how great and inclusive "The Lounge" is. But don't worry, even if I'm offered free beer or bratwurst, I most certainly won't partake.
I agree that the demand will be less once other seating in the outfield is worth a ****. Even that adds to the idea that lounge owners won't have to be nice. You now have good seats out there as well. They will pay much more, have less seating, and other fans will have a good view in the outfield. Luckily (like you said) it won't matter if you are in a lounge or somewhere else.
There is no doubt it will be more exclusive once we make the changes. I think the lounges will be more similar to a skybox. I don't care though. They are needed changes. I just hope the atmosphere is even better afterward rather than somehow worse. I think it will be a lot different but much better in every way.
Try this next year.
Go to an average game next year and find somebody that looks in-charge-ish at just 2 places. Ask them if you and your son can watch a bit from their view point. I think you will come away with a vastly different experience.
I think if you go in any popular venue on the most crowded day of the year, you are going to run into territorial folks and a lot of competition for limited space. This is human nature. Concerts, tailgating, etc. This happens everywhere all the time.
Give it another shot at a more laid back time. If you get blown off, then burn it down.
Go to an average game next year and find somebody that looks in-charge-ish at just 2 places. Ask them if you and your son can watch a bit from their view point. I think you will come away with a vastly different experience.
I think if you go in any popular venue on the most crowded day of the year, you are going to run into territorial folks and a lot of competition for limited space. This is human nature. Concerts, tailgating, etc. This happens everywhere all the time.
Give it another shot at a more laid back time. If you get blown off, then burn it down.
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