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I get the hands part...
But I can't tell about the jumping, and I'm not seeing the speed, at least top-end.
He's extremely shifty for his size with great lateral movement and his body control, particularly with regards to positioning to attack/guard the ball, looks really solid, but I'm not seeing much separation, and there's only one or two clips where he runs away from someone who hasn't given up. I also don't see a lot of jump balls to gauge his vertical.
I see a lot of back-shoulder throws in his future, and a lot of lessons on not stretching the ball out while he's cart-wheeling through the air. A very solid pickup.
But I can't tell about the jumping, and I'm not seeing the speed, at least top-end.
He's extremely shifty for his size with great lateral movement and his body control, particularly with regards to positioning to attack/guard the ball, looks really solid, but I'm not seeing much separation, and there's only one or two clips where he runs away from someone who hasn't given up. I also don't see a lot of jump balls to gauge his vertical.
I see a lot of back-shoulder throws in his future, and a lot of lessons on not stretching the ball out while he's cart-wheeling through the air. A very solid pickup.
You can't see the jump balls much less him outrunning coverage. C'mon man. You look foolish. [@:25; 1:00; 1:10; 1:45 for the uninitiated.]
ETA: Do I need to link his basketball highlight reel? Oh 17 it... here you go
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Disagree. Think that he already jumps higher, runs well and definitely catches the ball like a WR is taught to catch it .. all better than Bear. And, Bear was a good receiver for us. Would have loved to have him back for another year.
That said, with the additions of Jamal Couch, 6-5 217, Osirus Mitchell, 6-5 200 and now Todd at 6-5 192 .. this staff has 'addressed' the need for an outside WR. All have strong points and all will need some coaching but with the addition of 3, we can now pick the 2 most ready to play and red shirt the one that needs the most work.
Still not seeing the speed...
although I will accede that the leap on the 1:46 clip is pretty good.
For the clip starting at 0:25, the CB is actually closer to the ball than him, but Todd puts on a nice burst, gives a small leap, and uses great body control to make the catch.
For the catch at 1:00, the CB is step for step with him, but Todd uses his arms to redirect the pass and then secure the catch. He's already a head taller than the CB, and his feet never clear the CB's knees. It's a great example of attacking the ball. It's not an example of spectacular hops.
At 1:10, the CB literally comes up to his chest. Again, very little separation from route running, spectacular body control, a small leap, and nice hands.
00:38 is his best speed clip as he blows by his defender, who needs to ride the pine for his effort at the end of that play.
Compare to the first clip, where after the comeback route and catch he's shaken his primary defender and another guy, but what I'm guessing is the free safety takes a bad angle, gets juked, yet still catches him at the goal line so that Todd has to dive to score.
I counted 18 clips where Todd was thrown to beyond the line and had a defender assigned to him. 12 times the defender is in position to make a play on the ball or Todd, with 2 of those likely due to an under-thrown ball. Perhaps more tellingly, 2 different defenders make repeat appearances in the 6 instances of separation. On the extreme downside, he was caught a few times by defenders he had gotten a step on.
Meanwhile, the basketball highlights don't help on the hops. He's only got a handful of dunks, he's not flying high above the rim, and none of them are going over a defender. Instead, he's got a lot of solid basketball play with a fluid grace that make it look easy. There's a ton of examples of really good body control.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to stick with my initial read on him: excellent body control, solid hands, not a burner. I'm glad we got him.
ETA: found one news article that credits him with a 4.5 40 time, and HUDL has 4.46. De'Runnya was credited with a 4.56 out of high school.
although I will accede that the leap on the 1:46 clip is pretty good.
For the clip starting at 0:25, the CB is actually closer to the ball than him, but Todd puts on a nice burst, gives a small leap, and uses great body control to make the catch.
For the catch at 1:00, the CB is step for step with him, but Todd uses his arms to redirect the pass and then secure the catch. He's already a head taller than the CB, and his feet never clear the CB's knees. It's a great example of attacking the ball. It's not an example of spectacular hops.
At 1:10, the CB literally comes up to his chest. Again, very little separation from route running, spectacular body control, a small leap, and nice hands.
00:38 is his best speed clip as he blows by his defender, who needs to ride the pine for his effort at the end of that play.
Compare to the first clip, where after the comeback route and catch he's shaken his primary defender and another guy, but what I'm guessing is the free safety takes a bad angle, gets juked, yet still catches him at the goal line so that Todd has to dive to score.
I counted 18 clips where Todd was thrown to beyond the line and had a defender assigned to him. 12 times the defender is in position to make a play on the ball or Todd, with 2 of those likely due to an under-thrown ball. Perhaps more tellingly, 2 different defenders make repeat appearances in the 6 instances of separation. On the extreme downside, he was caught a few times by defenders he had gotten a step on.
Meanwhile, the basketball highlights don't help on the hops. He's only got a handful of dunks, he's not flying high above the rim, and none of them are going over a defender. Instead, he's got a lot of solid basketball play with a fluid grace that make it look easy. There's a ton of examples of really good body control.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to stick with my initial read on him: excellent body control, solid hands, not a burner. I'm glad we got him.
ETA: found one news article that credits him with a 4.5 40 time, and HUDL has 4.46. De'Runnya was credited with a 4.56 out of high school.
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1. How fast would you guess he is? 10 point range?
2. How fast is a "burner"?
3. How does "bear with speed" mean "burner"?
4. Does a 6'5" basketball player have to have a decent vertical leap to do a flat-footed windmill slam?
5. Do you even know the meaning of accede? I think you mean concede.
Mmmm...
1. I'd say he's about a 4.65-4.7 in the world of NFL 40's right now.
2. For me that's something below a 4.4 for a receiver. Can vary a bit based on how they run with pads on. See Amari Cooper for an example.
3. It did to me. There's not much point in bringing it up if he's only a little faster than Bear. "Bear with speed" is a guy we send on fly routes frequently. I don't see that with Todd.
4. I'm sorry the tape doesn't give you a clear win. Not my fault.
5. Accede: agree to a demand or request, synonym of accept. If I had argued he couldn't jump, I would've conceded the point. I just originally said I couldn't tell. I accepted that one of your examples showed a good leap. He may have mad hops, and just not have to use them at this level. Again, he's towering over a lot of the guys defending him on the football field, and he has a really smooth basketball game that doesn't lend itself to showmanship.
ETA: HUDL says 36" vertical. De'Runnya was credited a 35" vertical coming out of high school, and turned in a 28" at the Combine.
1. I'd say he's about a 4.65-4.7 in the world of NFL 40's right now.
2. For me that's something below a 4.4 for a receiver. Can vary a bit based on how they run with pads on. See Amari Cooper for an example.
3. It did to me. There's not much point in bringing it up if he's only a little faster than Bear. "Bear with speed" is a guy we send on fly routes frequently. I don't see that with Todd.
4. I'm sorry the tape doesn't give you a clear win. Not my fault.
5. Accede: agree to a demand or request, synonym of accept. If I had argued he couldn't jump, I would've conceded the point. I just originally said I couldn't tell. I accepted that one of your examples showed a good leap. He may have mad hops, and just not have to use them at this level. Again, he's towering over a lot of the guys defending him on the football field, and he has a really smooth basketball game that doesn't lend itself to showmanship.
ETA: HUDL says 36" vertical. De'Runnya was credited a 35" vertical coming out of high school, and turned in a 28" at the Combine.
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Please link where you found Bear's vertical measurements.
1. So, he's 4.65-7 (NFL), which means that it's electronic timed. That puts him at about a 4.55-4.6 40/hand-timed. That's definitely not "speed".** But that's just your estimation.
3. You think a 4.7 is "only a little faster than a 4.9? That's the same thing as saying a 4.3 is only a little faster than a 4.5. No, we probably won't send him on many fly routes against 5'10" DB's because he's not fast enough. Wow.
(You do know why we didn't run many fly routes the last three years, right?)
4. WTF? not a "clear win?" I'll "accede" to your concession. Please link where you found Bear's vertical measurements. Hudl says his vertical is 36". Do you think that a vertical leap has a large range of error like a hand-timed 40? *smh*
5. No accede is to agree to a proposal (an agreement - a contract - a negotiation) or a request.
Concede is to agree to the validity of a premise (or to retract your opposition). It has nothing to do with what you argued. You used it with my premise.
With all due respect, I call ********. I'm just glad I didn't eat before viewing, would have debited some cookies. The jump cuts, the webbing"hands", the amount of crutches handed out to opposing teams after the game....I think you were very tough on his grade...or very wrong, not sure.
I could understand if he was playing small, country, republican schools but this kid was competing and making fellow athletes look silly. His tape is better than Fred Ross, although I believe Ross had tougher competition.
I could understand if he was playing small, country, republican schools but this kid was competing and making fellow athletes look silly. His tape is better than Fred Ross, although I believe Ross had tougher competition.
Wait a minute.. some of these arguments look familiar...
http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/showthread.php?105218-Congrtas-De-Runnya-Wilson-Mr-Basketball-2013
Only found that link when searching for De'runnya's high school vertical.. Seems like most people thought he'd be better suited for our basketball team..
http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/showthread.php?105218-Congrtas-De-Runnya-Wilson-Mr-Basketball-2013
Only found that link when searching for De'runnya's high school vertical.. Seems like most people thought he'd be better suited for our basketball team..
What did engie do to you man? Jesus you follow him around like a crazy ex girlfriend...
So you just gloss over Engine saying "D61" first huh? Where do I find a pair of selective readers like you're wearing?
Nope. I'm not trying to defend engie. Just letting you know you are a complete douchebag.
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Says Captain Melt. Don't want me in the discussion leave my name out your posts. How's Newman tho?
You aren't smart enough nor annoying enough to goad me into a faux debate about something you think you got me on. Especially in a thread with multiple examples of you being hilariously wrong about stuff. Then again, I know every time you post there is a 50-75% chance it is going to be something utterly ridiculous. Seems you are right on schedule.
You talking to me cause I'm certainly not instigating any "turf wars". I've been posting on SPS since 2006ish. Y'all associate me with elitedawgs and don't take the time to notice I've been posting on SPS the entire time that the ED board has existed. I post on both boards. It's really not a competition so idk why y'all get so defensive when I post over here. This is an Engie is a dickhead thing and he went and got himself banned over there cause he's a pu$sy.
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