FBI Investigation reveals

[drt7891]

Gunman was a regular at the club he shot up. Also used gay dating apps.

To my point in the other thread about drawing broad conclusions without waiting on the facts. All of them aren't out yet, but this may not be what the Fox News spin wanted it to be.

Whatever it is, it's heartbreaking and didn't have to happen. I hurt for the families and victims.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

Wait. So it was a Gay Muslim Democrat who shot up a club and it's not the spin Fox News wanted?

 

[AlSwearengen]

mother of god!! So, I guess it fits your's, cnn's, and msnbc's spin that the shooter was a white, christian, republican that shot the place up? And muslims in the middle east never 17 boys and goats? You need to do some learnin' on the middle eastern culture.

 

[coach66]

His high school friends said he stood up and cheered in class on 9/11. Please

Get your head out of the sand. Islamism is a growing threat and people are being radicalized over
the web in our country at an alarming rate. Past time to take a stand.

 

[BiscuitEater]

Gunman was a regular at the club he shot up. Also used gay dating apps.

To my point in the other thread about drawing broad conclusions without waiting on the facts. All of them aren't out yet, but this may not be what the Fox News spin wanted it to be.

Whoa!! You're getting way ahead of yourself with the 'back patting' on this one!

You said ..

I have not seen any release that's tied it to Islamic terrorism. The only release I saw that mentioned religion at all was an NBC article that had a quote from the guys dad that stated he didn't think it was done out of religion. As sad as all this is, I don't think it's fair to tag "Islamic terrorism" to this right now.

Others, including myself, stated that 'many sources' had pointed to "Islamic terrorism' as the possible motivation for the attacks. The fact that he may or may not be gay DOESN'T alter in any way that his motivation may have been 'Islam inspired terrorism.'

 

[DerHntr]

Answer two questions with just yes or no.

Did he call 911 and claim allegiance to ISIS?

Did he often view Radical Islamic Terrorist propaganda online as outlined by the same FBI reports?

Here's the thing: He is a terrorist if you answer both of those questions with a yes. There is no argument to be made at that point. There are no conclusions to jump to.

I have seen basically no one say there can't be additional motives in this situation. Those additional motives are valid but they don't carry the risk for the rest of the country that terrorism carries. When that scumbag racist in South Carolina killed the people in the black church, it was clear what happened and there wasn't much concern nationwide that he could potentially be part of a larger planned action. It's simply ridiculous to say that Americans shouldn't be concerned that in the current situation the guy is terrorist who ALSO happens to have gone to the club, been on gay dating websites, made negative comments about gays, etc. Once we know that he is a terrorist, then we need to be on high alert until it is proven as best as possible that he didn't have other people involved. We need to know if he is a lone wolf. We need to know how he was radicalized. We need to keep anyone out of our country who helped get him to this point (referencing the Imam that he was in contact with).

I can't understand your logic that this is spin. I don't watch fox. I think it's **** just like CNN.

 

[aTotal360]

I don't get people's desire to disprove this wasn't an act of terrorism. His sick religious beliefs drove him to this. Guns gave him ability to actually do it. If he couldn't get a gun, this guy would have just strapped a dirty bomb to his chest and walked into the club.

 

[patdog]

This is not surprising at all.

 

[campshelbydog842003]

Wait there are people that actually still think this guy may not have been a radical Muslim?

 

[57stratdawg]

I have a hard time believing this for some reason. The media has gotten very smart about how we cover these events (don't show the shooters face, don't say their name). This just seems like slander to me.

 

[birdawg]

Pretty clear what happened. Being reported shooters dad called him gay and disapproved. He acts like he's not gay to please him.

Regular patrons saying he went there for years but people thought he was strange and to stay away from him. Comes across Isis propaganda (even tho they have no clue who he is) and thinks he belongs there. Buys in. Hates himself for being gay and other gays for not accepting him.

Getting ppl not to take the mass killing route as a solution will be an incredibly long and arduous task.

 

[engie]

So you thought the most effective mass-shooter in the history of the country just walked into this place in a blind rage and was as efficient as this guy was? That he didn't actually know what he considered the enemy and the battlegrounds?

There may be more to come -- but there is plenty there to form conclusions already.

 

[coach66]

Ironically, the same people he swore alligenance to would have thrown him off

A tall building if they could have gotten their hands on him. He hated women too. He'll he's
a 17ing terrorist, he hates everybody.

 

[birdawg]

Exactly. Just trying to get inside the shooter's head, he may have felt he was doing the ISIS cause a favor by eliminating himself and other gays. Like he could receive some type of "pass" in the afterlife for being gay (according to his beliefs, not mine).

 

[DerHntr]

One more question:

What are the negative consequences of treating this as if it's terrorism (considering the things pointing that way) even if it is later proven the guy wanted to kill everyone there because they didn't like him, because he hates himself for being gay, or because he was simply mentally deranged?

If they later come back and say it appears that terrorism was just an excuse for his other intents, then great we know why. If they don't treat it as terrorism and another gay bar is shot up in Florida by someone to be proven as his terrorist buddy, then a lot of people die because it wasn't "fair to tag Islamic terrorism to this right now."

I don't care what joe blow public calls this. I don't care what reporters call it. I only care how our government treats it. Call it gay on gay crime. Whatever. Treat it as 17ing terrorism.

 

[coach66]

In his twisted mind you may be right. I'm really getting tired of their ****.

We need a crackdown or we are going to lose our way of life that is so precious to us.

 

[birdawg]

Couldn't agree more. Not calling ISIS "junior varsity" would've been a better start.

 

[Bulldog from Birth]

Him being gay fits exactly into the profile of a radical Islamist willing to kill himself in jihad. Many jihadists are pornography indulging abusive drunks and among the biggest violators of Islamic law, which surprises a lot of people. Islam is a religion of works. At the end of your life, Allah is going to weigh all your good against all your bad. And the scale has to hit a certain point for you to make it to heaven. For radical jihadis who subscribe to this radical interpretation of the Koran, there is an out. Anybody who dies in the act of jihad in this war against the infidels gets a free pass to paradise. It trumps the scale and negates all the bad you've done and negates all the things you were supposed to do and didn't. Seems like he felt the weight of guilt for his sexual desires, and he went on a jihadi crusade against those who had the same desires he had in an effort to kill infidels, die in jihad, and save his soul.

 

[ShrubDog]

So they are saying Shepherd Smith and Anderson Cooper knew him.

 

[coach66]

Yep, ole Bin Laden liked his porn and his bullets between the eyes.

Nm

 

[coach66]

Just shows you Community Organizer isn't a good training background for

Commander and Chief.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

I don't get people's desire to disprove this wasn't an act of terrorism

I would love someone to explain this also. It makes zero sense. There are two possibilities that stand out to me.

1) LGBT and Muslims are a solid voting bloc for the left. Therefore one cannot be seen as in disagreement with the other. Every must stay together and vote as taught. And it says something about the desire for votes.

2) it's for the same reason guns were to blame 5 minutes after the shooting.... The incompetence of the government must be glossed over. The guy was under investigation by the FBI twice and still had a clean record on the background check system when he was checked. That's sheer incompetence. its also complete incompetence or PC run amok that this guy had a job at a firm that provides security for government entities including Nuclear facilities.


Its a shame the French government has taken a harsher stance on Islamic extremism than the US.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

this may not be what the Fox News spin wanted it to be

Wow. You are a special kind of stupid, aren't you?

 

[ShrubDog]

According to a lawyer for the ACLU its christians fault this happened. I am not posting the link.

 

[NCDawg.sixpack]

Probably should ban muslims from entering the country until we can find out what the hell is going on.

 

[aTotal360]

The latest excuse the left is promoting is that his dad's anti-gay stance pushed him to the edge when he realized he himself was gay. It's all about diversion.

 

[mstatedawg74]

So you're just going to conveniently ignore that he'd pledged to ISIS?

Selectively ignoring facts inconvenient to your position is worse than jumping to conclusions.

 

[AlSwearengen]

This. Graveyards are littered with people who felt guilty about being gay and offed themselves. Most though, didn't take others out with them.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

Gunman was a regular at the club he shot up. Also used gay dating apps.

To my point in the other thread about drawing broad conclusions without waiting on the facts. All of them aren't out yet, but this may not be what the Fox News spin wanted it to be.

Whatever it is, it's heartbreaking and didn't have to happen. I hurt for the families and victims.

well here is some spin everyone should read:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/06/12/gay-activist-after-orlando-trump-voter/

 

[rem101]

One more question:

What are the negative consequences of treating this as if it's terrorism (considering the things pointing that way) even if it is later proven the guy wanted to kill everyone there because they didn't like him, because he hates himself for being gay, or because he was simply mentally deranged?

If they later come back and say it appears that terrorism was just an excuse for his other intents, then great we know why. If they don't treat it as terrorism and another gay bar is shot up in Florida by someone to be proven as his terrorist buddy, then a lot of people die because it wasn't "fair to tag Islamic terrorism to this right now."

I don't care what joe blow public calls this. I don't care what reporters call it. I only care how our government treats it. Call it gay on gay crime. Whatever. Treat it as 17ing terrorism.

To me, I don't know how you can't call it terrorism. Whether he's gay, muslim, white or whatever, he shot up 100+ people. In my eyes, he's a terrorist in the same aspect Bin Laden and Timothy McVey are. 17 him.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

And I heard the guys father on the radio talking about how saddened and dissappointed he was by this....If you believe that for one second you are an idiot! The father is probably planning the next attack out as we speak. Trump's Trojan horse analogy is the best I have heard. They are fooling all of us...We need to keep the mother 17'ers out of this country. If your not born here, tough ****.

 

[coach66]

Now the FBI is revealing his current wife knew the attacks were coming. She

Said she tried to talk him out of it. Not good enough sister, you need to go to jail and think
about what your silence just contributed to. Of course no good Muslim wife would turn her husband
in, no asterisks.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Where are people like you when I have something I need to sell ?

 

[thatsbaseball]

Did you mean, no good Muslim would turn another Muslim in period ?

 

[coach66]

You are correct sir.

Nm

 

[BossDawg78]

If he couldn't get a gun, this guy would have just strapped a dirty bomb to his chest and walked into the club.

Or he would've just purchased a gun via the black market. I'm sure he could get some pretty good deals in Florida.

 

[BossDawg78]

And I heard the guys father on the radio talking about how saddened and dissappointed he was by this....If you believe that for one second you are an idiot! The father is probably planning the next attack out as we speak. Trump's Trojan horse analogy is the best I have heard. They are fooling all of us...We need to keep the mother 17'ers out of this country. If your not born here, tough ****.

Exactly. Trump wasn't being racist when he said we needed to keep all Muslims out of the US. Calling him racist was just a convenient attack for people on the Left to use. There are black, white and brown Muslims worldwide. He said ALL Muslims, not all Muslims of a particular race. If anything he was being insensitive towards the Muslim faith, but as much as Christianity has been attacked here, I don't see how Trump's statement was so bad.

 

[tbaydog]

Gunman was a regular at the club he shot up. Also used gay dating apps.

To my point in the other thread about drawing broad conclusions without waiting on the facts. All of them aren't out yet, but this may not be what the Fox News spin wanted it to be.

Whatever it is, it's heartbreaking and didn't have to happen. I hurt for the families and victims.

Your thought process, my friend is the problem.

 

[aTotal360]

Slightly OT: Does the GLBT community really believe they and the Muslim community are on the same side? I sincerely feel bad for them because they don't have a comfortable space when it comes to politics.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

Slightly OT: Does the GLBT community really believe they and the Muslim community are on the same side? I sincerely feel bad for them because they don't have a comfortable space when it comes to politics.

its amazing how well propaganda works huh?

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