Bottom line on this season.
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I have no complaints. I think a lot of times people overestimate that national seed number by your name. Yeah I thought we had the advantage going into this weekend, but baseball more than any other sport is about getting hot. Happens every year and always will.
And any season with an SEC championship is a good season regardless of postseason outcome.
What? These guys should have been in Omaha. This was the best pitching we have had since the late 90's. That national seed was no fluke and we should have beaten Arizona. Bottom line is we **** the bed.
At lot of our teams that did make it to Omaha "shouldn't have" (81, 90, 98, 07, 13), while a few of our teams that "should" have didn't (84, 89, 16). Postseason is a bit of a crapshoot. The best teams don't always advance. Overall, this was a good season, and great that we got the SEC title monkey off our back.
You can never underestimate how difficult getting to Omaha is.
Vandy went 26-3 in conference play in 2013 and beat the crap out of us four times. They go 0-2 in a home Super, we play for a national title.
Really enjoyed watching this team play. So many awesome moments. Hate it ended before Omaha, but that doesn't mean this season is a failure whatsoever. Accomplished a ton of great things.
Vandy went 26-3 in conference play in 2013 and beat the crap out of us four times. They go 0-2 in a home Super, we play for a national title.
Really enjoyed watching this team play. So many awesome moments. Hate it ended before Omaha, but that doesn't mean this season is a failure whatsoever. Accomplished a ton of great things.
This is my thought exactly. We had a good season, and accomplished a lot of things. Last night was a perfect reminder of why you need to enjoy the crap out of ANY MSU team that makes it to Omaha. It really is the only appropriate way to end a season.
You make good points, and the season certainly isn't a failure when you win the SEC title. But I do think for some of us older fans who have been die-hards for MSU baseball going back at least 30 years, it's another hard blow. The ultimate goal is to win the College World Series, and it keeps staying out of our grasp. It's made even worse when we see teams with little to no history in Omaha get there and win it. Of course, Florida State has been there a lot more than even we have, and they've yet to win it. Hard to explain.
What we've got to do is stop having roller coaster seasons. Your point about Vandy was a good one, but after 2013 they didn't go away. They made it to Omaha in 2014 and won the whole thing, and then they made it to championship again in 2015 but lost. Still, they have a title. Virginia is another great example. We beat them in the Super in 2013, but they hosted Supers the next two years and made it to the CWS championship against Vandy both times. They of course lost in 2014, but won the title in 2015. This year, both Vandy and Virginia hosted regionals again but lost.
The point is those teams are consistently putting themselves in position to get to Omaha. That's what we have to start doing at MSU. We fell just short in 2013, but we weren't able to host or win a regional in 2014. Then in 2015 we had one of the worst seasons in program history. 2016 was a hell of a bounce back year, and we should all be proud of it, but we've got to keep this thing going in the fight direction and at an elite level. Keep hosting regionals, and we'll get it done one day.
News flash .. there were 295 Division I schools competing to be the National Champion in baseball and only one of those final 16 teams WON'T end with a loss.
EVERY one of those teams will look back and second guess.
Disagree. We ran into a 'hot' Arizona team.
Reminds me of our Super Regional wins over UVA .. State was the underdog visiting team that dominated the National Seed. We got 'hot' at the right time .. just like Arizona did.
No problem. All you have to do is 'level the playing field.'
Comparing any Vandy to MSU is an 'apple to oranges' comparison. Vandy can and does have ~35-40 kids on full scholarship at any time compared with MSU that had 11.7 full scholarships to divide. Yes, Cohen has been able to get some of his players on academic scholarships BUT he can't do what Corbin is able to do.
'Splain, please, for those of us who think his point is not that crazy.
If we won the SEC then made the Sweet 16 in hoops, would I be happy? Yes, most years.
If we were a higher seed and lost in the S16, would I be disappointed? Of course.
Did we win the SEC then make the Super 16 in baseball? Yes.
Am I disappointed? uh...
I fail to see the insanity in the comparison, but I'm open-minded - what am I missing?
If we won the SEC then made the Sweet 16 in hoops, would I be happy? Yes, most years.
If we were a higher seed and lost in the S16, would I be disappointed? Of course.
Did we win the SEC then make the Super 16 in baseball? Yes.
Am I disappointed? uh...
I fail to see the insanity in the comparison, but I'm open-minded - what am I missing?
I hate to be the one to mention this, but
/whispering:
...have you considered the idea that we quite possibly could have been slightly overrated this year, considering how the SEC has shown in the supers? Don't tell anyone I said that.
/whispering:
...have you considered the idea that we quite possibly could have been slightly overrated this year, considering how the SEC has shown in the supers? Don't tell anyone I said that.
Stans 2005-2012 + RR = Happy to make Sweet 16
#2 Seed, playing in regional close to home, losing in Sweet 16 - don't think most would be happy.
Ron Polk 1991-2008 = Happy to Make 16
#2 National Finalist 2013, 2016 #6 National Seed, best team in 25+ years, home field advantage, overwhelming favorite (+ getting swept) = don't think most people are just happy we made it.
Hope that gets you started.
StansThere is no way it was our best pitching since the late 90's. We had two relatively consistent starters and a bullpen that was awful for 2/3 of the season until becoming a little better (but still a weakness) in the final 1/3 of the season when Brown found his role there. We had much better overall pitching in both 2012 and 2013 even though the starting pitching was not as dependable those years.
Overall, Arizona was just a horrible matchup for us. They had great pitching and a lineup that chases starters early by seeing a lot of pitches and grinding out at bats. By doing this, they forced our bullpen to beat them, and we couldn't do it. They are built similar to our 2011 and 2012 teams except for with more pop in the order.
I'm not going to spend all day on this, but one more time:
So, you're saying nearly every year in our basketball history (except 2004) we would be happy with winning the SEC and a Sweet 16 appearance... I agree. I thought that's what HD6 said.
So you're saying that fans are disappointed with the way this year ended... I agree. I thought that's what HD6 was saying. He said "It's funny" - I didn't assume he was implying we should just shut up and be happy about it, but maybe I missed his point.
Cleared things right up**, thanks.
Nice season, but hate the ending. Friday's game was a reminder of a low point at the beginning of the season when we got shut out (only other shut out) by fau. Saturday's game reminded me of the eastern Kentucky game when we blew a late lead. It's a shame that a poor last few weeks of baseball put such a damper on a really good season
Shirley your interpretation is right. But that's the exact opposite of what I'm saying. Why would we not be happy with 2004? Hmm, maybe because of how the season developed and then ended prematurely. I personally wasn't happy with the way 2004 ended. I would have been disappointed not advancing past the Sweet 16 with a Top 8 seeding. According to your interpretation, State could be undefeated, #1 seed and be happy to have lost in the Sweet 16. But hey, since State hasn't been to the Sweet 16 in 20 years, since it had a Final 4 caliber team, I can understand your optimism.
In case you missed it, and you probably did, the baseball tournaments are not single elimination nor is it played on neutral site until the Top 8.
But please, don't spend all day on this topic. Glad to clear it up for you.** You're welcome.
Exactly, we essentially have NINE elite eights in baseball with no title. If we had that tradition in basketball it would be just as disappointing if we didn't FINALLY win it all. However, we essentially have only have one elite eight in the history of the basketball program so our yearly goals aren't quite so lofty in that sport.
HD's analogy is spot on, but the disappointment level is higher for baseball. We've made it to the 'Elite Eight' of baseball 9 times. Once for basketball.
I think one key disappointment factor is that two SEC schools who have a shorter baseball tradition than we do have won national titles in the last decade.
I think one key disappointment factor is that two SEC schools who have a shorter baseball tradition than we do have won national titles in the last decade.
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