Dakota slipping in draft....

Bulldogg31

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Gotta agree, he has not been sharp last few weeks. Might be tiring, but he's been our 3rd best starter last couple weeks.

That said, MLB drafts for potential, not past performance. I'll be surprised if he falls out if Round 1.
 

dannyripms

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Hudson

I hate to say it but I think sexton is a better pitcher. Hudson is a good pitcher but not great. Just not good velocity and movement on his pitches. I didn't think he's been great all year. Sure some days he is on his game but most of the time he's average. I believe sexton will have a better career in the majors. I'd be very surprised if Hudson made it to the majors.
 

ronpolk

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I hate to say it but I think sexton is a better pitcher. Hudson is a good pitcher but not great. Just not good velocity and movement on his pitches. I didn't think he's been great all year. Sure some days he is on his game but most of the time he's average. I believe sexton will have a better career in the majors. I'd be very surprised if Hudson made it to the majors.

I swear we are the only fan base that constantly finds ways to rip our own players.
 

rugbdawg

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Hudson's stuff is better than Sexton's but the knock on Hudson is that his fastball is too straight and no change up. He can make up for the lack of change up with his best pitch, his cutter, but his ceiling is low unless he can learn how to get movement on his fastball OR develop pinpoint control. Chances are he will never be better than a 4th or 5th starter.
 

ronpolk

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Hudson's stuff is better than Sexton's but the knock on Hudson is that his fastball is too straight and no change up. He can make up for the lack of change up with his best pitch, his cutter, but his ceiling is low unless he can learn how to get movement on his fastball OR develop pinpoint control. Chances are he will never be better than a 4th or 5th starter.

Certainly he was drafted in the first round because his ceiling is low. Do you think about the stuff you type before you push submit?
 

rugbdawg

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There is a reason he dropped to the late first. Some scouts believe he has the ability to develop what is needed to raise his ceiling, others do not. But with the fastball he has now...he will struggle. Maybe he will start throwing a hard sinker or can adapt to a new grip. It isn't that simple or he would have already done so.

Keep in mind this is what scouts think that see thousands of prospects. I just read the scout evals.
 
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olblue.sixpack

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There is a reason he dropped to the late first. Some scouts believe he has the ability to develop what is needed to raise his ceiling, others do not. But with the fastball he has now...he will struggle. Maybe he will start throwing a hard sinker or can adapt to a new grip. It isn't that simple or he would have already done so.

Keep in mind this is what scouts think that see thousands of prospects. I just read the scout evals.

It has to be huge disappointment to be the 34th player chosen - of more than a thousand.***
 

olblue.sixpack

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I hate to say it but I think sexton is a better pitcher. Hudson is a good pitcher but not great. Just not good velocity and movement on his pitches. I didn't think he's been great all year. Sure some days he is on his game but most of the time he's average. I believe sexton will have a better career in the majors. I'd be very surprised if Hudson made it to the majors.

It should be a pleasant surprise when anyone makes the majors.
 

olblue.sixpack

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Hudson's stuff is better than Sexton's but the knock on Hudson is that his fastball is too straight and no change up. He can make up for the lack of change up with his best pitch, his cutter, but his ceiling is low unless he can learn how to get movement on his fastball OR develop pinpoint control. Chances are he will never be better than a 4th or 5th starter.

Because 4th or 5th starters in the major leagues have little to no value at all.
 

esplanade91

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Hudson scouting report: Hudson is a rare kind of pitching prospect. He has a poor changeup and very little changeup projection (because of his arm action and underwhelming athleticism), but still has a chance to start because he's found other ways to get lefties out. Primarily, Hudson uses his above average 87-91 mph cutter in on the hands of lefties to generate swings and misses and induce weak contact.

From ESPN.

Easy to nitpick a prospect, but the whole point of the minors is to do things like fix his mechanics and find new pitches. It's a full-time job. He'll be fine.
 

rugbdawg

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Not a troll at all. I basically just reworded the ESPN INSIDER scouting projection for Hudson. I don't copy and paste premium stuff.
 

rugbdawg

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That's part of the report. The complete report says his ceiling is 5th starter and his fastball is very hittable/has to change. I actually think he is a little better than that. Seemed a little harsh.
 

KurtRambis4

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So ESPN's opinion, not

yours, is that he has no movement on his fastball.

That's funny, because the scouts I talk to at the games every week, say the exact opposite, not to mention what I see with my own two eyes.

In fact, they often remark how lively it is.

For someone to say that his fastball is flat, essentially, tells me all I need to know.
 

esplanade91

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Yeah, like I said, I think that's the whole point of the minor leagues. Graveman is a great example of what full-time coaching can do for a prospect. I think his ceiling is higher than that, but he's going to have to spend a lot of time with a pitching coach.
 

rugbdawg

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I also agree that his fastball needs work. He pitches off of his cutter moreso than his fastball. His cutter is his MLB pitch.
 

patdog

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It should be a pleasant surprise when anyone makes the majors.
Yep. First round is the only round where more than 50% of the picks ever even make it to the majors. Even then, less than 40% of first round picks will last 3 years in the majors. You better either get a big signing bonus and save it or have a good fallback option if you're going to play pro baseball.
 

Moe Cabelle

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Seems odd that's you'd draft a guy in the first round if you truly thought his ceiling was a 5th starter. Good lord, there's so many baseball players and rounds in MLB that first rounders seem to have more of that "sure thing" status than in other sports, but I really wouldn't know. Frankly, I wouldn't have thought he was on the first round level myself, but apparently the experts think so. Good enough for me.
 
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