Pick one player from the last 10 years

[LandArchDawg]

He needed a third pitch badly. I assume he has added a 3rd and 4th pitch now since he is having success as a starter in the MiLB.

 

[LandArchDawg]

Renfroe and it isn't even close.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Jon Harden. I know it's outside the ten year window, but watching Harden throw that changeup at 62 mph always made me laugh.

 

[HD6]

You can pick from all the players MSU has had the past decade, guys who are in MLB, all American players, and you're going Preston Brown?

 

[Drebin]

Give me 33, Preston Brown, gives us some swag on the mound. A true competitor in between the lines. A true leader by example, would've done wonders for us in any capacity this season.

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[anon1787432961]

raised seam baseball, no question about it

you'd want to add to this roster.

I'd go with Frazier at 2nd base. Great bat, solid defense.

he was good to us

 

[BulldogBlitz]

 

[coach66]

I'd have to say Frazier would make this

Team better and I would put him at second. Can I have Girodo too.

 

[msstate7]

If you take Frazier over Pirtle, you move Gridley to 2B.

Exactly. Can't believe it took this long in this thread to say that

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

How's Preston doing in school Mrs Brown?

 

[KurtRambis4]

Which Holder

were you watching?

i saw the one with over 20 saves, less than a 2 ERA, less than a 1 WHIP, batting avg against less than .175...

 

[msudawg200]

were you watching?

i saw the one with over 20 saves, less than a 2 ERA, less than a 1 WHIP, batting avg against less than .175...

Since you asked, I remember the one from the 2013 postseason. Here were his numbers:
9 2/3 10h 6r 5er 6bb 11k 4.65era 1.65whip

Very mediocre and with the old ball for that matter. Again, that doesnt consider that he was a breath away from giving up a game losing 3 run homer to Oregon State. I'm not usually one to get hung up on "almosts" but considering this is a "who do I want on this team now" thread, I have to consider that with the new ball that WOULD have been a 3 run game losing homer (as it really should have been - the dude tatooed it). Had that been the case, his postseason era would have been 7.45.

Not saying he was a bad pitcher by any means, just saying I think there were better options. The fact is, he was very mediocre when he wasn't commanding his breaking ball abd that was more often than not in that postseason.

 

[EminenceBunt]

Welcome to the board, Mason Katz, you're a pretty funny guy.

 

[mcdawg22]

Give me Pirtle. Maybe the most underrated player we've ever had. Phenomal defender that could freakin' rake, especially his senior year when no one else we had could hit. He led the league in hitting.

Try getting us out with Pirtle in the 5 hole and Robson batting 9th.

Pirtle. Just 17'n clutch and seemed like a great Chemistry guy.
Outside the Box. Wes Rea just to see if he was as big of a detriment as Rugb suggests.

 

[121Josey]

Luke Reynolds, FTW

 

[paindonthurt_]

So you picked his worst 9 and 2/3 innings in his career and go with that?

2013 stats

Player

era

w-l

app-gs

cg

sho

sv

ip

h

r

er

bb

so

2b

3b

hr

ab

b/avg

wp

hbp

bk

sfa

sha

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Jonath

1.65

2-0

34-0

0

0/3

21

54.2

33

15

10

17

90

2

0

2

189

.175

6

6

0

2

4

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</tbody>

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</tbody>

 

[Chesusdog]

One could say he was facing his toughest competition to date.

On the other hand, everyone has bad outings and rough streaks. The entire body of work shows a dominating pitcher.

 

[philduckworth]

Just wanted to say this thread blows my mind. There are only 3 answers to this question: Girodo, Lindgren, or Renfro.

You guys would really take Holder over Lindgren? My goodness.

 

[KurtRambis4]

So because of 2

appearances, his whole 2013 is wiped out?

 

[Go Budaw]

If you take Frazier over Pirtle, you move Gridley to 2B.

Without referencing the stats to back it up, I think Gridley is better defensively than Frazier was. Definitely more arm strength. I'd prefer him at SS over Frazier.

 

[msudawg200]

appearances, his whole 2013 is wiped out?

Where has anyone said that? It's not like we're comparing him to Moonshot Tatum. Look at Lingo's 2014 numbers. They're better than Holder's (for reference, Holder had a 2.22 era in 14 - good but still nearly 3 times Lingo's).

Player

era

w-l

app-gs

cg

sho

sv

ip

h

r

er

bb

so

Jacob Lindgren

0.81

6-1

26-0

0

0/3

3

55.1

23 9 5 25 100

<tbody>
</tbody>

And it's not just the numbers. Holder had two pitches and was pretty inconsistent in commanding one of them. Ill take my chances with Lingo, especially considering we need another lefty in the pen.

 

[birdawg]

Forrest Moore. I think this team is missing one huge, smelly ******.

 

[KurtRambis4]

You did, essentially.

You said bc of his postseason, you wouldn't pick him, which basically was 2 games.

It's funny you changed from 2013 to 2014 to compare the two.

Getting onto Holder because, in your mind, he rarely commanded his hook (which isn't true), then championing Lingo is also funny. Did you watch the Regional finals in 2014? Lingo is struggling right now controlling his slider, while Holder is doing pretty awesome.

Also, the greatest closer of all time had two pitches, so I'm not sure what that matters.

For the record, I'm not hating on Lindgren. Overall his 2014 was amazing, and it's silly to try to downplay it, much like it's silly to downplay Holder because of 2 games.

 

[msudawg200]

You said bc of his postseason, you wouldn't pick him, which basically was 2 games.

It's funny you changed from 2013 to 2014 to compare the two.

Getting onto Holder because, in your mind, he rarely commanded his hook (which isn't true), then championing Lingo is also funny. Did you watch the Regional finals in 2014? Lingo is struggling right now controlling his slider, while Holder is doing pretty awesome.

Also, the greatest closer of all time had two pitches, so I'm not sure what that matters.

For the record, I'm not hating on Lindgren. Overall his 2014 was amazing, and it's silly to try to downplay it, much like it's silly to downplay Holder because of 2 games.

I'd actually say he had 3-4 shaky outings that postseason (out of 6). And I brought up his 14 numbers just to continue the comparison. Holder wasn't the best reliever on the 14 team just like he wasn't the best on the 13 team. Doesn't mean he wasn't very good though.

And what are you talking about with Lingo? He pitched once in the 2014 postseason. 4.1ip 1r 0er. Granted Holder pitched well in that regional too, but even he didn't have an era of 0. And most of his good work was against Jackson State. Lingo was against ULL who crushed the rest of our staff.

Finally, what have I said? Did I say two pitches was a problem? Nope. I said two pitches without consistent command was a problem. If you don't command one, you can sit on the other. Somehow I knew you'd go to the Rivera example, which is why I made a point to emphasize the command piece. Rivera was the model for commanding his pitches, which is a big part of what made him so great. Holder was up and down.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I'd actually say he had 3-4 shaky outings that postseason (out of 6). And I brought up his 14 numbers just to continue the comparison. Holder wasn't the best reliever on the 14 team just like he wasn't the best on the 13 team. Doesn't mean he wasn't very good though..

So now you are agreeing, that he was very good, which is why I said I'd go with him.

And what are you talking about with Lingo? He pitched once in the 2014 postseason. 4.1ip 1r 0er.

I'm talking about in 4.1 IP, against 20 batters, he gave up 3 hits, 4 BB, and 2 HBP. Not exactly setting the world on fire.

And most of his good work was against Jackson State. Lingo was against ULL who crushed the rest of our staff.

You can't sit there and dismiss Holder's entire 13 season, only to bring up 2 games where he didn't excel, 1 of which was in the national championship, but then say "well Lingo was bad there, but it was because it was in a game against a good team," essentially.

Finally, what have I said? Did I say two pitches was a problem? Nope. I said two pitches without consistent command was a problem. If you don't command one, you can sit on the other. Somehow I knew you'd go to the Rivera example, which is why I made a point to emphasize the command piece. Rivera was the model for commanding his pitches, which is a big part of what made him so great. Holder was up and down.

Again, his command on his hook was excellent all year long. Two games are not going to make me think otherwise. Look, you can say Girodo or Lingo (2014) are who you want as a relieve all day, but don't sit there and act as if Holder wasn't any good because of, again, two games. He was who our National Championship Runner-Up team's coach brought in to close it out, and he excelled at that, 99.9999% of the time.

Look, I'm not dissing Lindgren. His 2014 season was mostly unreal. However, for you to ask "what Holder were you people watching" is absurd. It's like calling out Mo after the 2001 debacle. You could go with either of those guys and it's 6 in one and 1/2 dozen in the other. Both of them, when on top, were dominant.