Freeze was selected for a reason...

[thekimmer]

Many see freeze's know-nothing attitude as purely an act and maybe it is just an act at this point, but I think he was selected as HC at the plantation precisely for his gullibility. UM had a master plan to get into the cheating business in a very serious way and they needed a couple of things out of a HC to do this. First of all no seasoned D1 HC or even an up and comer with a bright future is going give a program with that kind of plan the time of day. So here is freeze, a career HS coach who has two years of experience at Arky State and isn't going anywhere else anytime soon. Check one. Secondly, they need a guy who is going to swallow the koolaide. A naive gomer they can sell the story to that at UM they do it the right way and he will swallow it hook-line-and-sinker and never question it. Even when he pulls off in 2013 what everybody with one brain cell of football knowledge knows is absolutely impossible legitimately, ol' hugh never questions it. Check two. Thirdly, they need a guy who is very vocal and over the top with his self-righteousness and Christianity to try and provide some degree of cover. Check three.

I know its hard to fathom and maybe even hugh is wised up now and is just trying to save himself but I think to start off with he was just the stooge they needed to try and pull this off. In some way, I think he might still be the clueless idiot and is defending the program because he just naively believes that they wouldn't really cheat on purpose.

 

[DerHntr]

You are underestimating him and giving him an out. I think it is 100% an act. No one getting paid $5M a year is as dumb and naive as you make him out to be.

They got a guy who has OM as his dream job and it is near home. He went to USM for college and likely felt like a second class citizen compared to his OM buddies and family. He now gets to be their savior. He would likely do anything they ask, especially look the other way if it helps him to stay in charge.

 

[Drebin]

I don't buy into conspiracies and stuff like that, but I don't think this is completely true. I think Freeze is a lot smarter than you give him credit for. I think a conscious decision was made to go "all in" since it's worked for others recently. The reward is big time football success, and the risk is getting busted, but riding off into the sunset with a few million in the bank.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I think it's fairly easy to

see what happened. OM was in a downward spiral. Their "little brothers" had beaten that *** again and again, and the future was bleak.

OM people are all about status, so this was just the worst possible thing that could have occurred.

The only way out, was to hire the biggest snake-oil salesman the world has ever known.

They needed someone that was willing, and able, to go "all in."

Freeze was/is the perfect fit.

 

[PBRME]

Hugh was brought because he was all in. He knew what was going on when he was signed. They may not give him the details for plausible deniability, but he knew the plan.

 

[Crazy Cotton]

I've been thinking about this video for weeks now.

[video]http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/president-reagan-mastermind/n9509[/video]

Don't let him fool you.

 

[patdog]

You have got to be kidding us! Freeze isn't some gullible hick. He was one of the architects of the plan they've been using the last 10+ years, along with Orgeron. He was actively cheating in recruiting for UM from before Orgeron even hired him. If you think for a second that Freeze isn't the one running the show and knows exactly what's going on, you're the gullible one.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

I don't think he really believes for one second that they are running a clean program. First, he knows there is all kinds of payoff, but he does not want to know details of it (who's getting paid, who's paying, what is the payment) nor confirmation of it. Second, he wants everything that happens to be within the law. After all, if the benefit could go to a non-athlete student without any legal repercussions, why shouldn't it be able go to an athlete? With this he can say with a straight face that nothing illegal is happening at Ole Miss. Third, he can atone for the 'morally minor' rule violations by convincing himself he is doing God's will. He can rationalize the rule breaking by telling himself that he would not be able to share the gospel with these lost souls unless the rule breaking took place. It shouldn't matter that little Johnny Fivestar got a sweet ride; he would never have found Jesus if he were at Tennesee or Alabama or USC.

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

The other violations reported by Ole Miss included tight ends coach Hugh Freeze, who at the time was director of football operations and did not have recruiting responsibilities. Freeze
participated in telephone calls with four Memphis-area prospects
between Oct. 30 and Nov. 13.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/news/story?id=2324493

Someone posted this on the rant the other day and to me it shows that they knew he would play ball

 

[SedLexDuraLex]

Freeze was hired to oversee systematic cheating. Archie and Dickie and the rest wanted a return to the glory days...three straight Egg Bowl losses sent them over the edge and they went and got a known pliable Chizik type.

Whatever his football acumen is, he is a high level prevaricator. He is there because the trial lawyer money wanted to buy a reprise of 1963 before they pass into another realm. It worked for awhile.

 

[DancingRabbit]

Nope. Orgeron called Hugh his right hand man in recruiting by year two.

That's from the book 'Meat Market'.

Going back further, Hugh got his first job at OM under questionable circumstances - getting Michael Oher qualified and down to Oxford.

"Last year, Mississippi football coach Ed Orgeron signed star offensive lineman Michael Oher from Briarcrest Christian in Memphis. Twenty days later, Oher's high school coach, Hugh Freeze, was named Ole Miss' assistant athletic director for external affairs.

The NCAA later found that Freeze committed secondary violations by calling Memphis area recruits when he was not a member of Orgeron's coaching staff. Freeze is now the Rebels' tight ends coach.

"The real issue is whether or not it's an ethical problem as opposed to just true complications," Rivals.com's Burton said."

http://espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2586464

 

[Rockydawg]

see what happened. OM was in a downward spiral. Their "little brothers" had beaten that *** again and again, and the future was bleak.

OM people are all about status, so this was just the worst possible thing that could have occurred.

The only way out, was to hire the biggest snake-oil salesman the world has ever known.

They needed someone that was willing, and able, to go "all in."

Freeze was/is the perfect fit.

Don't forget: There were no asses in the seats because of the mascot boycott either. It was a very dark time for them.

 

[Drebin]

see what happened. OM was in a downward spiral. Their "little brothers" had beaten that *** again and again, and the future was bleak.

OM people are all about status, so this was just the worst possible thing that could have occurred.

The only way out, was to hire the biggest snake-oil salesman the world has ever known.

They needed someone that was willing, and able, to go "all in."

Freeze was/is the perfect fit.

I'm not saying this is the case, but it's fun to think about....

What if all of this started over a billboard ("This is Our State") and a coach's statement ("We're never losing to that team again")? What if that rage consumed them and drove them to go all in? What if the result of that is more This is Our State billboards and vacated wins? It's delicious to think about.

Long live The Ninja.

 

[GloryDawg]

Freeze was hired to oversee systematic cheating. Archie and Dickie and the rest wanted a return to the glory days...three straight Egg Bowl losses sent them over the edge and they went and got a known pliable Chizik type.

Whatever his football acumen is, he is a high level prevaricator. He is there because the trial lawyer money wanted to buy a reprise of 1963 before they pass into another realm. It worked for awhile.

Freeze himself said that Coach O taught him everything he knows about recruiting.

 

[maroonmania]

Many see freeze's know-nothing attitude as purely an act and maybe it is just an act at this point, but I think he was selected as HC at the plantation precisely for his gullibility. UM had a master plan to get into the cheating business in a very serious way and they needed a couple of things out of a HC to do this. First of all no seasoned D1 HC or even an up and comer with a bright future is going give a program with that kind of plan the time of day. So here is freeze, a career HS coach who has two years of experience at Arky State and isn't going anywhere else anytime soon. Check one. Secondly, they need a guy who is going to swallow the koolaide. A naive gomer they can sell the story to that at UM they do it the right way and he will swallow it hook-line-and-sinker and never question it. Even when he pulls off in 2013 what everybody with one brain cell of football knowledge knows is absolutely impossible legitimately, ol' hugh never questions it. Check two. Thirdly, they need a guy who is very vocal and over the top with his self-righteousness and Christianity to try and provide some degree of cover. Check three.

I know its hard to fathom and maybe even hugh is wised up now and is just trying to save himself but I think to start off with he was just the stooge they needed to try and pull this off. In some way, I think he might still be the clueless idiot and is defending the program because he just naively believes that they wouldn't really cheat on purpose.

Don't be naïve. Freeze was there with Orgeron and helped perfect a lot of the tactics the Bears are using today. Heck, Freeze was the guy stalking Robert Elliot at his house when all that went on years ago.

 

[BiscuitEater]

So here is freeze, a career HS coach who has two years of experience at Arky State and isn't going anywhere else anytime soon. Check one. Secondly, they need a guy who is going to swallow the koolaide. A naive gomer they can sell the story to that at UM they do it the right way and he will swallow it hook-line-and-sinker and never question it.

Agree with your assessment and will add .. Bucky was already a 'confirmed' koolaide drinker. After he was hired away from Briarcrest High School (thanks to Michael Oher) and BEFORE he was even on the OM staff, he had already committed NCAA violations by contacting Memphis area recruits for the rebels BEFORE he was employed by OM.

 

[ByersFarm]

He was funneling players to ole miss long before oher.

 

[MedDawg]

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[ByersFarm]

Freeze was not naive and was a cheater long before he was chosen for head coach at OM. He cheated for Ole Miss as an assistant under Orgeron, and I've heard he was some sort of unethical recruiter for Briarcrest.

Financial aid was given to kids who could play football. Pretty slick move for a school that didn't offer scholarships.

 

[Drebin]

Freeze was not naive and was a cheater long before he was chosen for head coach at OM. He cheated for Ole Miss as an assistant under Orgeron, and I've heard he was some sort of unethical recruiter for Briarcrest.

Freeze is not naive. At the same time, I don't think he is disingenuous about his faith, either. I think he believes he can operate in the margins of the rule book and justify it with his faith, and ultimately will be blessed for it.

That is a foolish thing to believe, but I really think that's where he is. It's the whole theological concept of religious liberty. That is the only thing I can wrap my head around logically as I hear some of his responses to all of this.

 

[thekimmer]

Let me clarify. This wasn't meant to defend freeze, give him a pass, or evoke sympathy for him. I hope he and the whole oxfart machine gets knocked down so low by the NCAA they'll have to untie a shoe to take a leak. I just don't think freeze is/was the mastermind behind all of this.

 

[maroonmania]

Freeze is not naive. At the same time, I don't think he is disingenuous about his faith, either. I think he believes he can operate in the margins of the rule book and justify it with his faith, and ultimately will be blessed for it.

That is a foolish thing to believe, but I really think that's where he is. It's the whole theological concept of religious liberty. That is the only thing I can wrap my head around logically as I hear some of his responses to all of this.

Ask not what you can do for God but rather what God can do for you --- sorry, but that's all I think about regarding Freeze and his use of his Christian faith.

 

[thekimmer]

Well the pupil has way outdone the teacher it would seem.

 

[Drebin]

Ask not what you can do for God but rather what God can do for you --- sorry, but that's all I think about regarding Freeze and his use of his Christian faith.

To be clear, I'm not justifying his behavior. I think it's abhorrent. I just think that's what he believes.

 

[RightOfCenter]

Maybe this sums his faith up. Jesus say:

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. -Matthew 6:5

 

[dawgface]

yes, frebreeze was hand-picked by ah-chee who has somehow remained above the fray in all this. check out who all was involved with that selection, THAT is who has been callin the shots for a while now that the snatched control from the old guard. these guys will do whatever it takes to where they are now and it looks like they almost got there.....too bad they're all getting ready to pay the consequences. NOT! freezus and ah-chee ain't no saints!!!! hope the NCAA gets all that info on "The NETWORK" that was floating around in the past year or so.....

 

[aTotal360]

I think he's talked himself into believing it because it benefits himself.

 

[Shmuley]

I think you're right, dreb. He has 5 million reasons to believe he is being blessed for doing things the right way in his mind. When his reckoning comes, it will be a great fall.

 

[dannyripms]

He is the leader of the pack. Didn't he invite the FCA guy over to his house when the recruits were there and walked out of the room so the guy could talk to them? Yeah he knows exactly what's going on and he needs to be hung, tar, and feathered. This dude gives all Christians a bad rep, every time he opens his mouth he is basically bashing the good lord.