given that Auburn got away

[ezsoil]

With buying a national championship and it appears that Ole Miss just may skate out with losing a few scholarships after two consecutive New Years six bowl appearances, is it open season on pay for play? I simply don't see the penalty for buying players..its low risk and high reward.

I dare are say that most sports fans do not know that the NCAA vacated USC's National Championship because of Regggie Bush as it was 5 years later.

i just don't see the downside to buying players.

 

[MaroonNation]

Well sCam never admitted on national TV to getting paid while at Awbrinn, much less by a coach so the two are not similar at all.

 

[johnson86-1]

With buying a national championship and it appears that Ole Miss just may skate out with losing a few scholarships after two consecutive New Years six bowl appearances, is it open season on pay for play? I simply don't see the penalty for buying players..its low risk and high reward.

I dare are say that most sports fans do not know that the NCAA vacated USC's National Championship because of Regggie Bush as it was 5 years later.

i just don't see the downside to buying players.

If Ole Miss doesn't get at least USC level sanctions, then the price of poker is about to go up. Everybody will need to stop sending so much money to the school officially, and start sending it to bundlers that will pass it on to bagmen.

 

[msstate7]

Define "few"... Just wondering what OM's penalties will be

 

[57stratdawg]

Obvious troll, but still..

OM is expected to lose well into double digits and that number is only going up. Plus, given the ever increasing likelihood that they lose their AD, several coaches, and vacate a couple seasons, that's rather uninviting.

 

[Drebin]

With buying a national championship and it appears that Ole Miss just may skate out with losing a few scholarships after two consecutive New Years six bowl appearances, is it open season on pay for play? I simply don't see the penalty for buying players..its low risk and high reward.

I dare are say that most sports fans do not know that the NCAA vacated USC's National Championship because of Regggie Bush as it was 5 years later.

i just don't see the downside to buying players.

Ole Miss just may skate?

 

[BossDawg78]

After all the painfully obvious stunts they pulled, after all the negative national attention they are getting, after pissing off more than a few legit football powerhouses, if UM skates away from all of this, the NCAA might as well turn recruiting into a literal auction block. They would be better off setting aside a few nights where coaches could get get together and bid on recruits.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

No, it is not the time. Five to ten years ago was the time. It's like doping in baseball. The time to do it was in the 1990s. There's a whole crop of players who had good careers in the steroids era whose steroid use we'll never know about. The ones who tried to do it in the 2000's after realizing so many got away with it (or kept doing it themselves) are the ones who got caught.

Auburn also had the advantage of only having to buy one player (maybe payments to a few more, but nothing out of the ordinary) to get their championship. They weren't raising red flags (other than to us) when they landed Newton. Ole Miss, on the other hand, was operating ten standard deviations away (for you stats nerds) so everyone knew they were cheating. If we try to do the same thing UM did we'll get the same reaction and same ultimate punishment. Best to keep doing whatever we're doing at the level they're doing it.

 

[thatsbaseball]

"i just don't see the downside to buying players". Until I`m shown differently I`ve got to agree with you. If OM dosen`t get the very next thing to the death penalty(whatever that is) then what they`ve done will have been worth it.

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

"i just don't see the downside to buying players". Until I`m shown differently I`ve got to agree with you. If OM dosen`t get the very next thing to the death penalty(whatever that is) then what they`ve done will have been worth it.

Unless they win the SEC this fall (assuming they're still eligible), what will have been worth the level of hurt they're about to go through?

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

Auburn in 2010 was like a jewel thief, they had just 1 item that they cheated to get---Cam Newton.

Ole Miss has been like a Smash & Grab tweeker, cheating to get the #1 WR, the #1 DT, and the #1 OT in the country.

Auburn was the smart criminal, their method didn't attract too much attention. Ole Miss was / is the dumb criminal who draws tons of attention to himself.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

Huge difference..

Auburn is a major P5 power program, competing with the Alabama's, LSU's, Mississippi State's, and Georgia's of the world. The university of olemiss is a small boutique school better suited for the Sun Belt conference, or FCS.

Actually, om will probably get hammered because they're the perfect patsy- in a major power conference, but universally despised for their horrid past, low academic standards, and student and alumni base that are morally, culturally, ethically, and genetically inferior to their neighbors from Mississippi, Texas, and Georgia.

The SEC dumping olemiss will be no big loss. We could either add Tulane (great trip to New Orleans, plus an easy conference win), or SMU (rich kids, but unlike umo their money isn't leveraged on mortgages, credit cards, and loan sharks to the hilt, plus they open up the DFW market for TV coverage and recruiting).

 

[thatsbaseball]

You may know "the level of hurt" they`re about to go through....I don`t. That`s my whole point. The OP is painfully correct that the NCAA may disappoint the crap out of us. I`ll believe they get hammered when I see it.....and I`ll be the happiest S.O.B. on this board if they do.

 

[thekimmer]

All true but.....

No, it is not the time. Five to ten years ago was the time. It's like doping in baseball. The time to do it was in the 1990s. There's a whole crop of players who had good careers in the steroids era whose steroid use we'll never know about. The ones who tried to do it in the 2000's after realizing so many got away with it (or kept doing it themselves) are the ones who got caught.

Auburn also had the advantage of only having to buy one player (maybe payments to a few more, but nothing out of the ordinary) to get their championship. They weren't raising red flags (other than to us) when they landed Newton. Ole Miss, on the other hand, was operating ten standard deviations away (for you stats nerds) so everyone knew they were cheating. If we try to do the same thing UM did we'll get the same reaction and same ultimate punishment. Best to keep doing whatever we're doing at the level they're doing it.

Auburn got some breath taking passes from the ncaa in the process. Got declared ineligible then eligible in the same day. Had the astounding ruling thAt no violation occurred even though his own father was proven to shop him around for money because cam "didn't know". Just sayin.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

Good point. A rule was made to close that loophole, correct?

 

[thatsbaseball]

I have to throw this in. I know Auburn is the poster child for the NCAA`s inability to enforce their own rules but to me Penn State took the cake. That 17ing program should have been shut down for some period of time. To me that was the NCAA`s lowest point.

 

[Thirty-Two Dive]

With the NCAA, I will always subscribe to "Expect the Unexpected."

You may know "the level of hurt" they`re about to go through....I don`t. That`s my whole point. The OP is painfully correct that the NCAA may disappoint the crap out of us. I`ll believe they get hammered when I see it.....and I`ll be the happiest S.O.B. on this board if they do.

Before the NCAA botched the Miami deal, I was convinced they were going to get nuked. Not Death Penalty, but close. The NCAA was seemingly handed the "U" on a silver platter.

We all "know" what has gone on in Oxford, Waynesboro, Lake City, Chicago, and all points in between. We know how they have pissed off the big boys. But, I still feel the NCAA has a chance to screw this thing up. It's almost TOO much of a slam dunk. Personally, I think they are hoping for this in Oxford.

The pessimistic side of me is thinking... If, and I mean BIG, colossal, yuuuge if, the NCAA screws this up, it could end up as the biggest "Mississippi State thing ever." State would look like the whiniest bunch of losers in the conference, and State wasn't even the ones turning Ole Miss in.

So, who really knows? Will the penalties be in line with the allegations? Will they be able to "prove" as much as they need, to really make an example of them? With the NCAA, I only know to "Expect the Unexpected."

 

[UpTheMiddlex3Punt]

They very well could get away with it, but we couldn't. As historically bad as we have been at football, we've been historically worse at cheating at football.

 

[tatedog]

I have to throw this in. I know Auburn is the poster child for the NCAA`s inability to enforce their own rules but to me Penn State took the cake. That 17ing program should have been shut down for some period of time. To me that was the NCAA`s lowest point.

This all day long. When high ranking administrators conspire to cover up potentially criminal activity in order to protect the reputation of the football program, that is beyond your typical recruiting hijinx and should be punished as such.

 

[MaroonNation]

OM has been just as historically bad. Especially since conference expansion. State is further removed from 0-8 than OM is. But OM never talks about that. It's always the "positives" they focus on.

 

[ByersFarm]

I have to throw this in. I know Auburn is the poster child for the NCAA`s inability to enforce their own rules but to me Penn State took the cake. That 17ing program should have been shut down for some period of time. To me that was the NCAA`s lowest point.

While I agree that what happened at psu was awful, it wasn't really an ncaa matter. The authorities should have done more to the program and to the parties responsible.

 

[engie]

Ole Miss isn't skating. Auburn never got a NOA.

 

[engie]

Before the NCAA botched the Miami deal, I was convinced they were going to get nuked. Not Death Penalty, but close. The NCAA was seemingly handed the "U" on a silver platter.

The U still got hammered a lot harder than people seem to recall. I guess a lot of that is from their self-imposed stuff while the investigation was still ongoing. But the NCAA botched that in spectacular fashion. No such thing has happened thusfar in the OM investigation.

 

[patdog]

OM has been just as historically bad. Especially since conference expansion.

In the 25 years since the SEC expanded to 12 teams, we are 13-12 against UM and both teams have been to 13 bowl games. Historically, there has really been no difference in the two programs.

 

[thatsbaseball]

I had know idea when I posted this that the Paterno/PSU debacle has blown up (maybe worse than the original version) again. It looks like a bunch of money will eventually change hands but I still say Penn State`s football program got off waaaay too light. The sickest situation I`ve ever seen in any sport in any time.

 

[mount lefroy]

With buying a national championship and it appears that Ole Miss just may skate out with losing a few scholarships after two consecutive New Years six bowl appearances, is it open season on pay for play? I simply don't see the penalty for buying players..its low risk and high reward.

I dare are say that most sports fans do not know that the NCAA vacated USC's National Championship because of Regggie Bush as it was 5 years later.

i just don't see the downside to buying players.

Key difference 1: the sec and slive stepped in and deflected the whole cam newton thing quickly so the national championship game wasnt a laughing stock. Conversely, om's stained underwear hung on the line with millions worldwide watching.

Key difference 2 : the ncaa was already in oxford and the catastrophy happened right under their noses. Letting om off will be more embarassing than the miami debacle because of the proximity of the current investigation to the publicity

Key difference 3: the perception of the sec. The ncaa knows the sec is the cash cow and everyone outside it thinks we wont be punished. Ncaa knows it can mend that perception with a public lashing that wont be questioned.

The downside to buying players is that you are at their mercy. The other downside is that the university functions on its reputation for academics and research money. Keenum will not tolerate the headlines that came with the Miranda/Remond deal affecting that. Contrary to our fans opinion, we are not an athletic organization that also happens to be a university. We are a university that participates in athletics.

 

[deadheaddawg]

Can anyone link some national media opinions on Ole Miss getting hammered?