Need re-calculation of the 16 class's rank with Simmons removed. ...

[Dawg1976]

I know many are the win at all cost types. Thugs....whatever it takes. I'm not. If that puts me in the minority, so be it. I simply can not get fired up cheering for this type. I'm not naive enough to think all our players walk around with a halo over their heads. But this type of action is way over the top. It amazes me people can look the other way on this kind of action for the sake of winning.

 

[RocketDawg]

Alabama, Auburn and LSU all won national championships with kids that did equal to or worse than Simmons. If we don't keep him another SEC school( and we all k kW which one) will pick him up.

Don't forget FSU. Actually, I can't remember if they won a NC with Jameis Winston or not.

 

[Will James]

Suspend him for South Alabama.

 

[msstate7]

I don't know what we should do with Simmons... I'll leave that up to Mullen, but I'm hesitant to label a 17-year-old a thug over one incident. Do you have more info on Simmons' life that led you to label him a thug and unworthy of going to college?

As a 17-year-old, I didn't ever hit a woman, but I did do many stupid things that I'm not proud of. Thank God, I didn't get labeled a thug before my adult life even kicked off.

 

[57stratdawg]

That's a fraction of the story though. He was placed on the Exempt list for an entire year. Then he got a 10 game suspension.

He then took the case to arbitration where he got it reduced from 10 to 4 because the incident happened under the previous conduct code.

The NFL then strengthened the PCC to set a minimum of 6 game suspension for domestic violence arrest. Frankly, considering the video and nature of the beating, I doubt he would only get 6 games.

 

[bear fan]

He has to be kicking himself for passing on "lateral" jobs last year

What jobs did he pass on?

 

[MarkDallas]

there is not another team in the SEC that would go anywhere near Simmons.

LOL

 

[11thEagleFan]

Everybody else is throwing their 2 cents in, I might as well. I have nothing but contempt for men who hit women. Based on what he did, Simmons should be IN JAIL. I have no opinion on whether he should be allowed to play football. There's a guy getting paid $4 million a year to live with that decision.

I think 2-3 weeks in jail, anger management, a batterer's intervention course, and a shitload of community service are in order. If I sound a little salty, it's because about a month ago, my wife and one of her girlfriends were leaving a restaurant when two "kids", ages 18 and 19, decided to beat them up for fun. They had never met them before. My wife was punched in the head multiple times, choked, and thrown to the ground. She had the bad luck to have drawn the man. By the way, she was 2 months pregnant at the time. She had a miscarriage less than 24 hours later.

I'm honestly shocked at how many of you are seemingly okay with what happened, now that he's apologized. I thought this board had more common sense than that. Oh and Coach "dot that eye" 34 is a cold sore on the lip of a typically very good fan base. What a moron. Rant over.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

Sorry that happened to your wife. That's horrible.

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

I think jail time is in order.

 

[rugbdawg]

This is horrible. I know that it won't help ease the pain but I hope that the two "kids" are in the process of being booked for a lengthy state paid vacation in Parchman or some other place. Truly sorry.

 

[Go Budaw]

Amen. Zero reward for taking a moral high ground in college football. No one will remember one way or the other after a few days.

I can't figure out why people don't realize this goes beyond football. The biggest thing no one is considering is that maybe what is best for MSU (the university) isn't the same as what might be best for the football team. At the end of the day, it boils down to whether or not the university should spend tens of thousands of dollars to pay for the education of the person that committed a pretty serious attack on a defenseless female. The type of message it sends to current students and faculty, as well as prospective recruits (both athletic and academic) must be considered, as well as the safety of other students. And yes, you can bet your sweet *** this won't only be Mullen's decision either. Keenum will get involved as well and rightfully so.

Honestly, its just a really bad situation in which there is no clear cut "best" way to handle it. And there is no reason that our fans should be taking sides and arguing pillars of virtue for either side. The staff and Keenum's office will make a call based strictly on what kind of person they truly think Simmons is deep down, and that along with the facts of the incident are the only things that should be considered. The argument that how many stars he has, his recruiting ranking, or potential for one day lining up against us in another uniform should even be remotely considered in relation to his future with us is absolutely disgusting.

 

[11thEagleFan]

Thanks for the kind words Rugb and TBone. I know my situation is extreme and Simmons' doesn't even approach it, but my point is that there are consequences for hitting a woman. Y'all know that most of us were taught that growing up. Maybe this generation hasn't been. The more I think about it, I don't think he should be kicked off the team, but I do think he should be punished severely. Put him on a zero tolerance kind of policy. If he's a good person, he'll learn from it and be a better person. If he screws up again, show him the door. That's my take anyway.

 

[RocketDawg]

Thanks for the kind words Rugb and TBone. I know my situation is extreme and Simmons' doesn't even approach it, but my point is that there are consequences for hitting a woman. Y'all know that most of us were taught that growing up. Maybe this generation hasn't been. The more I think about it, I don't think he should be kicked off the team, but I do think he should be punished severely. Put him on a zero tolerance kind of policy. If he's a good person, he'll learn from it and be a better person. If he screws up again, show him the door. That's my take anyway.

Your suggestion probably makes the most sense. Her certainly shouldn't be allowed to get away scott free, unless it's proven that she did something like pull a gun or a knife on him and he was defending himself. That would be about the only acceptable circumstances. "Dissing" a relative is not a good enough reason.

And what happened to your wife and the other woman is terrible. I hope the authorities caught the individuals and they are locked up. And I hope she's doing well after the miscarriage ... what they did could in some places be considered murder. At any rate, it's difficult mentally, especially on the woman even when it happens naturally. Did this happen in Hattiesburg?

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

Good Lord, so sorry for you and your Wife. That is horrible! I am gonna be praying for you.

I really wonder how this time period in our country will be viewed by later generations---it seems to me that we have the best technology in human history now but people in our society are reverting back to barbarians. This kinda crap is so widespread now---not sure if any of ya'll are following the huge teenager brawl and stabbing in East Atlanta recently, but it is truly horrifying that teenagers showed up with weapons to have a "Gangs of New York" style brawl and that some of the kid's parents drove them to this large fight and at least 1 parent got behind the wheel of their car and tried to run over some of the kids.

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[HD6]

I'm sure everybody that is cool with him remaining on the team would feel the exact same way if this was a video of AJ Brown.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

Naturally being one of ours is going to create a different reaction. Do you think Ole Miss people would care if we were all outraged over what one of their players did? It wouldn't affect their decision in any way.

 

[msstate7]

I'm sure everybody that is cool with him remaining on the team would feel the exact same way if this was a video of AJ Brown.

Totally different... Aj, by signing with om, has a history of thuggish behavior**

 

[HD6]

But should it create a different reaction? That's what I'm asking.

Let's change somebody else in the video. The woman is now your wife/girlfriend/daughter. How do you feel now?

 

[Shmuley]

Now, look, that's not fair. We LIVE for holding the moral high ground ... while they're annually beating our *** with their piece of **** thugs.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

I think you know the answer to that. It's not, so my hypocritical side gets to go into overdrive because of my fandom. It's a situation where people are not going to be happy whichever direction State goes on this one.

 

[8dog]

Things go beyond football all the time. And no school cares. Florida st even went with a proactive approach to protect a rapist. Demorea stringfellow hit someone and no one cares.

We get no points for handling this appropriately. We will not gain or lose studentd, prestige, money or anything else. 48 hours after a decision is made no ome will ever care , remember or talk about it other than some egg bowl posters.

He will play somewhere.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

Do you want him gone? Is that your stance?

 

[8dog]

Id be pissed. Then he would play and no one would care. And id be stuck being mad while he whipped our ***.

 

[HD6]

I think we'll keep him, and I think we should. But I won't act like it doesn't stink.

 

[msstate7]

But should it create a different reaction? That's what I'm asking.

Let's change somebody else in the video. The woman is now your wife/girlfriend/daughter. How do you feel now?

If the victim were my daughter, I'd be highly upset. If Simmons were my son (with no prior history of behavior like this), I'd hate to see his future in jeopardy and labeled a thug before he even graduates HS. I don't pretend to know what the right course of action is here; but I lean towards second chances when there's no prior behavior of the like, regardless of who the player signs with... Esp when the player hasn't even been charged with a crime.

 

[TBone.sixpack]

I agree. It's very disappointing.

He has a lot of work to do off the field to repair this. I hope he learns and grows from it. His football talent is granting him a chance others will never get.

 

[msstatelp1]

Being Easter Sunday, this somehow seems appropriate in my eyes...

This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. ⁷So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.


<a href="http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-7-3/" title="CLICK FOR MORE TRANSLATIONS of Matthew 7:1- And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother" s="" eye,="" but="" considerest="" not="" the="" beam="" that="" is="" in="" thine="" own="" eye?'="" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; list-style: none; box-sizing: border-box; font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; border: 0px; outline: none; font-size: 16px; cursor: pointer; text-decoration: none; line-height: 32px; text-align: center;">Simmons has admitted he screwed up and apologized for it. If this is a one time incident, then I see no need to ruin his life by refusing to honor our commitment to him. He seems to be an intelligent young man (emphasis on young) that let his emotions get away from him. Like many of you, I was raised believing that there was never a good reason to hit a woman, but on one instance, I have found myself at the point of nearly doing that. Thankfully, I was well past 18 at the time and caught myself just before bringing my hand forward. Had I been 18 and full of piss and vinegar in the same situation, I can't honestly say that I would have stopped. The only thing I'm sure of in this situation with Simmons is that no one involved in it is 100% innocent.

 

[Original48]

I'm sure everybody that is cool with him remaining on the team would feel the exact same way if this was a video of AJ Brown.

If this was a video of AJ Brown I'm sure we would all react like we normally have in the countless situations that have gone on like this at ole miss before...bash him and ole miss mercilessly. Then we would all forget about it after a couple of days. Meanwhile ole miss would be in lock step getting the kind of defense and help their player needs before allowing him to take the field game 1 of the 2016 football campaign. If we kicked Simmons off the team, the rest of the SEC West would applaud our sound judgment...then on Saturdays bend us over with their half game suspended 5 stars. And one of em would be Simmons.

 

[Palos verdes]

I swear, from the reaction of some people, you'd think he molested a horse, then joined ISIS.

 

[121Josey]

If this is a one time incident, then I see no need to ruin his life by refusing to honor our commitment to him. He seems to be an intelligent young man (emphasis on young) that let his emotions get away from him. .... The only thing I'm sure of in this situation with Simmons is that no one involved in it is 100% innocent.

You do understand that by writing this post you are judging him?

But I bet that Freezus and his Bearicrites would gladly throw the first stone. The majority of the posters don't want to get caught in the crossfire, much like Jesus in your first passage.
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[notoriousD_O_G]

I swear, from the reaction of some people, you'd think he molested a horse, then joined ISIS.

Or, you know, punched a women several times while she was laying on the ground.

I swear, from the reaction of some people, you'd think he ran a red light.

 

[tatedog]

Are we sure the team vote resulted in his removal?**

 

[11thEagleFan]

She's doing pretty good now. There was about a week long period where she was in a lot of pain physically (for multiple reasons, obviously). And it actually occurred in Albuquerque, New Mexico, where my wife's family lives. I was asleep at her parents' house when it happened, being tired from traveling. She went to eat with her best friend from college. Needless to say, I was not happy when I got that phone call, or saw her injuries. I will say this. My wife is tough as nails, and did her best to defend herself, but that's kinda hard when you're 5'2 and 115 pounds taking on a grown man.

She's also one of the most Christian women I've ever met. She's already forgiven this punk. I can't say that I have or ever will. He's been charged with a petty misdemeanor. I can't tell you how many times I've thought about administering a little "street justice" myself, and yes I realize how hypocritical that sounds considering I think Simmons should be punished. As for her attacker, he's a 19 year old Caucasian college student. Clean cut. So this isn't a racial or socioeconomic problem, but one that affects us all. The one way this has changed me is that I'm hesitant to let her go anywhere alone now. Guys, it's a crazy world we live in. Take care of those ladies. And we're about to try again soon for Baby #1.

 

[Go Budaw]

Things go beyond football all the time. And no school cares. Florida st even went with a proactive approach to protect a rapist.

You mean an alleged rapist? Important distinction there. There wasn't even enough evidence to bring the case before a grand jury. I'm not saying he was innocent and I'm not saying some shady **** didn't go down with how the case was handled, but at BEST there is some doubt as to what happened and far from definitive proof of anything. There damn sure wasn't a video of the rape, if it did occur.

Demorea stringfellow hit someone and no one cares.

Well, the University of Washington evidently cared, given that they kicked him off the football team and out of school and what not. And again, there wasn't video splattered everywhere showing what went down.

We get no points for handling this appropriately. We will not gain or lose studentd, prestige, money or anything else. 48 hours after a decision is made no ome will ever care , remember or talk about it other than some egg bowl posters.

He will play somewhere.

And this is exactly what you and others don't get. It's not about "getting points" for handling it appropriately. It's not about prestige or students or public perception either. It boils down to two things, doing right by the university first and doing right by Simmons second. Because there is an awful lot on the line for both as to how this situation is handled. And when I say doing right by the university, I don't mean doing right by the football team. I mean we need to make sure we aren't paying a $50,000 scholarship for someone with potentially violent tendencies to be roaming our campus for the next 4 years. It's up to the coaches and other powers that be to decide if there are actually tendencies or if this was an isolated incident.

I'll wrap this up with one final question to you. If this had been Jon Michael Hankerson that had done this instead of Simmons, would your position be the same as it is now?

 

[Dawg1976]

That is horrible. Hope they get through all this in time. I'm sure they will be looking over their shoulders for quite some time.

 

[Will James]

Or, you know, punched a women several times while she was laying on the ground.

I swear, from the reaction of some people, you'd think he ran a red light.

I doubt that woman was acting very lady-like or are you telling me he just out of the blue cold-cocked her for no reason.. Why was there a crowd and video cameras out?? Let's see how it plays out but this isn't the textbook definition of a harmless petite little choir girl I assume.

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

I doubt that woman was acting very lady-like or are you telling me he just out of the blue cold-cocked her for no reason.. Why was there a crowd and video cameras out?? Let's see how it plays out but this isn't the textbook definition of a harmless petite little choir girl I assume.

Not sure it matters how she was acting. She wasn't posing a physical threat to him when he punched her.

Don't defend him or down play it because you want him on the team. I want him starting the day he gets on campus. Thats fine. But he screwed up and he has to be punished. It's not "no big deal" or someone else's fault. Just say you hope he is still on the team. There is nothing wrong with feeling that way.

 

[fishwater99]

If this was a video of AJ Brown I'm sure we would all react like we normally have in the countless situations that have gone on like this at ole miss before...bash him and ole miss mercilessly. Then we would all forget about it after a couple of days. Meanwhile ole miss would be in lock step getting the kind of defense and help their player needs before allowing him to take the field game 1 of the 2016 football campaign. If we kicked Simmons off the team, the rest of the SEC West would applaud our sound judgment...then on Saturdays bend us over with their half game suspended 5 stars. And one of em would be Simmons.

If no charges are filed we would be stupid to kick him off the team.

Who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

[tatedog]

If no charges are filed we would be stupid to kick him off the team.

Who is without sin cast the first stone.

My source says this is the punishment:

1) One game suspension.

2) Make him #2 on Hugh Freeze's speed dial.

3) Must attend one play where women's and gay issues are a central concern (without being asked to leave).