Well our seeding question just got simplifed

[DawgatAuburn]

We win and UT loses, we are 11 and play 6 on Thursday. Ole Miss?
We win and UT wins, we are 12 and play Auburn.
We lose and UT loses, we are 13 and play Tennessee.
We lose and UT wins, we are 13 and play Auburn.

 

[57stratdawg]

So, we basically need a W and a UT L?

 

[Shooter McGavin.sixpack]

Yes. That will most likely set up another game against the bears. The only other scenario in play is if USCe loses tonight to UGA and @Arky Saturday. That would leave a 3-way tie for 5th between USC, Arky, and the bears. All 3 would be 1-1 against each other so it would go to the next tiebreaker which is Best winning percentage of the tied teams versus the No. 1 seed (and proceeding through the No. 14 seed, if necessary). That can't be determined until the final standings are decided.

 

[Dawgg]

If UT wins, we're playing the 12vs13 game no matter what.
If UT loses and we lose, we'll be in a 3 way tie with them and Auburn, which goes to the record vs the group. We would be in the #13 spot because we would have lost to both and they're 1-1 against each other.
If UT loses and we win, we'll be the only 7-11 team, so we get the 11 seed.

As to our opponent, yes, it's the 6 seed if we're 11 (or 5 if we're 12/13), which is way complicated. If they win, Ole Miss can go 6 or 7.
If...
Georgia beats SC and Alabama
Arkansas beats SC
Ole Miss beats Tennessee
It'll come to a 4 way tie, so against the group, that shakes out to:
#5 Georgia (4-2)
#6 Ole Miss (2-2)
#7 Arkansas (1-2)
#8 South Carolina (1-3)

Georgia beats SC but loses to Bama
Arkansas beats SC
Ole Miss beats Tennessee
It goes to the tie breakers, but all of these teams will be 1-1 against the group.
So it goes to record vs #1 seed.
If that's:
Texas A&M- #5 SC (1-0), #6 Ark(1-1), #7 OM(0-1)
LSU-#5 Ark(1-1), #6 SC, #7 OM (SC and OM go to the head to head because both are 0-1 against the LSU)
Kentucky or Vanderbilt - it goes to record vs 2 seed, then 3 seed, etc., so that ends up being one of the above

SC beats Georgia and Arkansas
Ole Miss beats Tennessee
SC possibly goes into the #1-#5 Seed tiebreakers, which I won't walk through.
Ole Miss will be the only 10-8 team, so #6 seed


If Ole Miss loses, they could drop as low as 10, depending on the tiebreakers.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Don't forget Georgia. If they beat USC tonight and Bama on Saturday, they too could be 10-8.

Potential 10-8 teams:
Ole Miss if they beat UT
Arkansas if they beat USC
South Carolina if they lose vs UGA and at Ark
UGA if they win at USC and vs Bama

So it could be as many as a four team tie for fifth. UGA would be 4-1 against that group if they win out (1-0 vs ARk, 2-0 vs USC, 1-1 vs Bears).

 

[DawgatAuburn]

Just as crazy is the top five spots.

TAMU can win the conference with a win vs Vandy. That much is decided because TAMU beat UK in their one matchup should they both end up 13-5.

If Vandy beats TAMU, they will be tied at 12-6 with Vandy having swept them. However, that turns out to not even be relevant.

If Vandy wins and Kentucky beats LSU, Kentucky wins the conference at 13-5.

However if Vandy wins and LSU beats Kentucky then you have a FOUR WAY tie for first. Believe it or not, LSU would win the conference with their 4-1 record against those teams. (Vandy 3-2, TAMU 2-3, UK 1-5)

If Vandy and LSU win and South Carolina wins out, they could make it a FIVE WAY tie. If that happens South Carolina would win the conference with a 3-1 mark against those four teams, narrowly better than LSU, who would be 4-2. (VU 3-3, TAMU 2-4, UK 2-5)

So Vandy cannot win it. All they can do is prevent TAMU from winning it.

It speaks to the SEC's lack of strength that one of the teams in the running to win the conference likely has to win the SEC tournament to make the NCAAs and the others are projected no higher than 4 seeds. Can a team that wins the SEC fire its coach?

 

[patdog]

However if Vandy wins and LSU beats Kentucky then you have a FOUR WAY tie for first. Believe it or not, LSU would win the conference with their 4-1 record against those teams. (Vandy 3-2, TAMU 2-3, UK 1-5)

If Vandy and LSU win and South Carolina wins out, they could make it a FIVE WAY tie. If that happens South Carolina would win the conference with a 3-1 mark against those four teams, narrowly better than LSU, who would be 4-2. (VU 3-3, TAMU 2-4, UK 2-5)

To throw another twist into the mix, does the SEC use head-to-head as a tiebreaker when the teams haven't played the same number of games against each other?

 

[DawgatAuburn]

To throw another twist into the mix, does the SEC use head-to-head as a tiebreaker when the teams haven't played the same number of games against each other?

From the SEC site.....

Three-Team Tie (or more)

When three or more teams are tied, the following procedure will be used in the following order until the tie is broken. If two teams re- main tied after a tiebreaker provision, the two-team tiebreaker formula will be used.

Best winning percentage of games played among the tied teams (Example: Team A is 3-1, Team B is 2-2 and Team C is 1-3 - Team A would be seeded highest, Team B second-highest and Team C lowest of the three).

Best winning percentage of the tied teams versus the No. 1 seed (and proceed- ing through the No. 14 seed, if necessary).

If two teams remain, coin flip by the Commissioner.

If three or more teams remain, draw by the Commissioner.

 

[FlotownDawg]

I laugh when I hear SEC Network "analysts" talk about the strength of the league

I know they have to say that because they are basically mouthpieces for the conference, but it is amusing. The SEC this year is just a muddled mess of mediocre teams. There isn't one really great team among them. Yes, it's better than the past when the SEC was struggling to get three teams in the tournament, but the league is still not what I could call good. Maybe in a couple more years.

 

[Shooter McGavin.sixpack]

South Carolina putting their at large bid in serious jeopardy. If they lose to Arkansas, I say they will fall out of the field. In the four team tie you described, I'm glad UGA would be 5th. After the thorough beating they gave us, I'm happy to have them out of our bracket if we get the 11th seed.

 

[hailstate19]

Hopefully we beat auburn tomorrow. Then i will pull for ole miss vs tenn just so we can kick there *** in the sec turny. I'm guessing that's how this works.