What are the plans for Dudy Noble?
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Well someone should get some value out of it.
(In other words I don't know the answer to your question.)
(In other words I don't know the answer to your question.)
Is that truth or a guess? And are we talking about an actual remodel that's anywhere close to the renderings the athletic department released? Are the lofts still a go?
There will be something constructed there because the LFL will require additional storage space, but I'm not sure what exactly. There will also be a continence store built in CF which will sell charcoal and other supplies.
In all honesty, I sure hope not. I saw the article where Ole Miss' Swayze Field is getting a $13 million upgrade by 2018, which would further enhance their baseball facilities that are already amongst the elite in the SEC. Now I don't subscribe to the thinking that a top flight baseball stadium is a prerequisite to having an elite program (see UCLA, Vandy, Virginia, Florida), but letting your in state rival (who has been on the war path in college baseball for the past 10 years) get one more advantage to hold over you is certainly not a good thing. Don't get me wrong, Dudy Noble is still one of the top 10 venues in all of college baseball, but we need an upgrade, and we need to do it the right way like the renderings show. Cutting corners to get something out on the show floor will only bring shortsighted and temporary gains.
I do hate the idea of falling behind Ole Miss in facilities like the Pavilion and a renovated Patrick Swayze Field. However, Strickland & Cohen & even Mullen need to know that asking MSU and our fan base to sink more and more $ into facilities and Bulldog Club increased donations / bribes and increased parking fees makes us all hungry for big wins and increases our expectations.
If you pay $8.75 for a 14 oz Ribeye at a restaurant and the steak is good (like 7 out of 10 quality) then you feel happy. But if you pay $55.75 for a 14 oz Ribeye at a restaurant and the steak is "ok" (like the same 7 out of 10 quality) then you feel a bit cheated and mad.
My point is don't create a Monster that you can't feed. We had better get some more bang for our buck.
If you pay $8.75 for a 14 oz Ribeye at a restaurant and the steak is good (like 7 out of 10 quality) then you feel happy. But if you pay $55.75 for a 14 oz Ribeye at a restaurant and the steak is "ok" (like the same 7 out of 10 quality) then you feel a bit cheated and mad.
My point is don't create a Monster that you can't feed. We had better get some more bang for our buck.
Damn. That sucks about the lofts. That was the one thing that I believe would really set the park apart from everyone else. Looks like they could modify the plans somehow and still get something comparable out there. Maybe not so many lofts/stories, or maybe something like a hotel with units that could be bought out by the night......or maybe I'm being completely unrealistic.
They're going to sell charcoal out of the Junction John and Junction Jane out there?
** Sorry. I know it was auto-correct but I had to do it.
The problem is our coach sucks and everyone in the world except Engie has turned or is turning on him. I wouldn't donate a dime till Loafers told me to my face that Cohen will be dealt with.
Start with LFL and then "run out of money". New lounge. No more liability.**
Black helicopters hovering over center field....
A lot of old money is willing to pledge but they are holding their money to see how this season goes. Many have stated clearly that either Cohen wins and turns things around this year or they will not donate a dime.
Many holding their donations to see what Scott does at the end of this season. Last season many of them wanted Cohen gone for two reasons. One, we sucked and it is tough to see this program sink to these levels. Two, many of them just don't like Cohen. They don't like the way he is trying to basically recreate the game of baseball by constant tinkering.
You can flame away but this is straight from 2 very large donors to the program. They have made their feelings known to Scott and were not at all satisfied with his response.
I think we are still years off from upgrading the grandstands.
Many holding their donations to see what Scott does at the end of this season. Last season many of them wanted Cohen gone for two reasons. One, we sucked and it is tough to see this program sink to these levels. Two, many of them just don't like Cohen. They don't like the way he is trying to basically recreate the game of baseball by constant tinkering.
You can flame away but this is straight from 2 very large donors to the program. They have made their feelings known to Scott and were not at all satisfied with his response.
I think we are still years off from upgrading the grandstands.
Thank God the people in charge (not Scott) have some sense.
This is literally the best baseball news we have had since beating Oregon State to advance to the CWS finals. I was afraid that our power folks had been duped. And, again, your 2nd point is Cohen's biggest issue. I'm actually ok with a bad season if it is part of a bigger picture success story.
Polk 2 had a better SEC winning percentage than Cohen has had. Let that sink in.
This is literally the best baseball news we have had since beating Oregon State to advance to the CWS finals. I was afraid that our power folks had been duped. And, again, your 2nd point is Cohen's biggest issue. I'm actually ok with a bad season if it is part of a bigger picture success story.
Polk 2 had a better SEC winning percentage than Cohen has had. Let that sink in.
The lofts aren't necessarily a no go yet. They're still in the plan, but will go in after the grandstands in the 3rd phase at the earliest.
It's not a budgetary thing.
At least that's what this evil rebelbearshark heard.
It's zoning/planning stuff.
At least that's what this evil rebelbearshark heard.
They have to find a way to purchase the land from the state for the lofts. It will have to be a seperate bulldog club project. I don't know the specifics but it has to do with private residences on state land. Even though they are rented the state would want the 250k rent.
Ha! He was being kind. It's a "our teams have sucked and that affects contributions" issue. It not only applies to baseball. Unfortunatly these last two season finishes in football have left a bad taste in boosters mouths. It's trickle down economics. Our football shortcomings make it that much more difficult for Cohen.
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You might want to take Virginia off that list. Just over 10 years ago, baseball at UVA was so bad that leadership held a vote to determine if they should go ahead and terminate the whole program. Meanwhile, a group of well off alumni and others started to raise funds to support the sport. They had an anonymous donor (most think it was John Grisham) donate millions to upgrade Davenport Field.
Ten years later, they have one of the best venues in the ACC, good attendance (14th in the nation, 3rd in the ACC behind Clemson and FSU), loyal fans, a great team, fantastic coach and a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.
Maybe what Virginia has now is better than it used to be, and possibly one of the better stadiums in a conference focused on basketball, but it is certainly not one of the elite stadiums country wide. They have a long way to go to reach the caliber of what LSU, South Carolina, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Clemson, or Texas has. Which further solidifies my point: You can win the National Championship and maintain an elite program with sub-optimal facilities.
Wow. I've heard about the great new stadium they built with Grisham's money. I had no idea it would be so unimpressive. Of course, when you get outside the SEC, that actually is a pretty nice college baseball stadium. I remember several years ago when we hosted Southen Cal for a weekend series, I heard a story that a couple of their players asked what minor league played there. They couldn't believe it when they found out DNF is a college stadium.
How is it that all this wasn't hashed out in the design phase before the renderings were even released? Thats a pretty big f-up from the AD and design firms if that wasn't confirmed on the front end. They even released some preliminary pricing information for leasing the units if I'm not mistaken.
Yea that's considered a 7 out of 10, maybe even an 8, when you take college baseball as a whole.
Everyone was talking about how awesome Liberty's new stadium was last year. This is it:
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Now, this part is pretty cool:
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But as compared to SEC stadiums, that's child's play. It's a whole new world outside of the SEC.
Here is UCLA's, a school with 3 CWS since 2010 and a Championship:
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They have no outfield seating.
Now Arizona, winner of the 2012 Championship (4th overall):
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Good entrance, but the interior:
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TCU's looks alright at first glance, but it's just aluminum bleachers and no outfield seating:
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It's just a completely different world.
Everyone was talking about how awesome Liberty's new stadium was last year. This is it:
View attachment 3230
Now, this part is pretty cool:
View attachment 3231
But as compared to SEC stadiums, that's child's play. It's a whole new world outside of the SEC.
Here is UCLA's, a school with 3 CWS since 2010 and a Championship:
View attachment 3232
They have no outfield seating.
Now Arizona, winner of the 2012 Championship (4th overall):
View attachment 3233
Good entrance, but the interior:
View attachment 3234
TCU's looks alright at first glance, but it's just aluminum bleachers and no outfield seating:
View attachment 3235
It's just a completely different world.
Why? The stadium needs to be built regardless of Cohen being around or not. This is a program commitment and shouldn't be mutually exclusive. DNF is behind the times compared to many stadiums around the college baseball landscape, and getting further behind every year.
I think the question still stands,..do we want to have the best facility in the country at MSU, or are we satisfied with a scaled down upgrade?
There's not going to be a scaled down upgrade. Last I heard, the plans were to demo the outfield after this season and have the new outfield ready for next season. The remainder of the stadium will be done in time for the 2018 season. They are not going to do a scaled down version. Scott has already addressed that question numerous times. If anything, they will wait an extra year if the funds are not there yet, but we are getting a new stadium.
The lofts can stay in the plans or go, I really don't give a **** because I can't afford one anyway. They can also be added as a "Phase 3" at some point.
Now, we all know these timelines are subject to change and Cohen better teach this group of losers how to win quickly. If we don't make a regional this year, his *** is gone.
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