SI thinks Creighton will be #1 with Scheierman

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I live in Omaha, but not a Creighton fan. But their coach is a much better in game coach than Cal. A very fun offense to watch . And I guess that’s why he decided on Creighton. Tough for Kentucky to get these types of shooters with their current style of offense.
I do think Kentucky will be good. Shooting might be an issue. But very interesting non the less to see Creighton as a potential preseason top 5 team
 

RoyKent

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McDermott has done a great job at Creighton. Seems like a very solid coach.

However, to say he is a better in-game coach than Cal is simply stupid. He has been to the Sweet 16 once in his entire coaching career.

In 22 seasons as a head coach (Northern Iowa, Iowa St and Creighton) he has won 6 NCAA tourney games total. He's not a better in-game coach than Cal (or nearly any Power 5 coach for that matter).
 

GuyFromKY

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McDermott has done a great job at Creighton. Seems like a very solid coach.

However, to say he is a better in-game coach than Cal is simply stupid. He has been to the Sweet 16 once in his entire coaching career.

In 22 seasons as a head coach (Northern Iowa, Iowa St and Creighton) he has won 6 NCAA tourney games total. He's not a better in-game coach than Cal (or nearly any Power 5 coach for that matter).
What does Calipari do that makes him a better in-game coach?
 

numberonedad

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McDermott has done a great job at Creighton. Seems like a very solid coach.

However, to say he is a better in-game coach than Cal is simply stupid. He has been to the Sweet 16 once in his entire coaching career.

In 22 seasons as a head coach (Northern Iowa, Iowa St and Creighton) he has won 6 NCAA tourney games total. He's not a better in-game coach than Cal (or nearly any Power 5 coach for that matter).
How many times he's been to the sweet 16 is a dumb comparison. There are tons of coaches that are better in game coaches than Cal. Basketball is basketball, hell, I think there are high school coaches that are much better in game coaches than a lot of college coaches
 

RoyKent

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How many times he's been to the sweet 16 is a dumb comparison. There are tons of coaches that are better in game coaches than Cal. Basketball is basketball, hell, I think there are high school coaches that are much better in game coaches than a lot of college coaches

If they are such better coaches then why are they not winning or having the same level of success?
 
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MdWIldcat55

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Scheierman is a good player who I would have liked to see take on the Grady role at Kentucky. But he's a limited player who played in the Summit League -- a league with an RPI rating just ahead of the Atlantic Sun Conference.

That doesn't mean he can't be a contributor - I expect Antonio Reeves to be a solid player (though the Missouri Valley Conference is far superior to the Summit league, and he looks a lot quicker and more athletic in game clips.) There's a reason no one had heard of him three weeks ago.

The idea that he is some kind of Larry Bird who can elevate a good team to #1 is ludicrous.
 
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LowCountryCat

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Scheierman is a good player who I would have liked to see take on the Grady role at Kentucky. But he's a limited player who starred in a league with an RPI rating just ahead of the Atlantic Sun Conference. There's a reason no one had heard of him three weeks ago.

The idea that he is some kind of Larry Bird who can elevate a good team to #1 is ludicrous.
And yet UK went all in on him instead of somebody else.
 

GuyFromKY

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He has won 800 games and has 50+ NCAA tournament wins.

Anyone who honestly believes Greg McDermott is a better coach than Cal is just being stupid for the sake of being stupid.
I think you need to take into consideration the amount of talent that Calipari has had over those 800 wins. It's not a fair comparison to say he is a better in-game coach because he has had superior talent that has just "out-talented" other teams. The talent is more diverse and evenly spread in the current landscape and his recent struggles are proving this.
 

RoyKent

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I think you need to take into consideration the amount of talent that Calipari has had over those 800 wins. It's not a fair comparison to say he is a better in-game coach because he has had superior talent that has just "out-talented" other teams. The talent is more diverse and evenly spread in the current landscape and his recent struggles are proving this.

So, you would trade Cal for McDermott then? If it is so spread out and McDermott is a great coach then why is he not winning more?
 

kl40504_rivals

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We didn't want him, we didn't want any of the top 10 portal transfers, we didn't want any top 10 high school recruits and these ranking are all a conspiracy anyway. We like the unranked or undiscovered or mis-ranked that we know are way better than their rankings by those expert professional observers.
***** as usual
 

kl40504_rivals

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How many times he's been to the sweet 16 is a dumb comparison. There are tons of coaches that are better in game coaches than Cal. Basketball is basketball, hell, I think there are high school coaches that are much better in game coaches than a lot of college coaches
Sure
 

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He has won 800 games and has 50+ NCAA tournament wins.

Anyone who honestly believes Greg McDermott is a better coach than Cal is just being stupid for the sake of being stupid.
McDermott's grand strategy is foul hard and try to injure your opponents. If you see a player with an injury, intentionally target the injury.

He's a dirtbag.
 

GuyFromKY

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So, you would trade Cal for McDermott then? If it is so spread out and McDermott is a great coach then why is he not winning more?
I never said nor implied that I would take McDermott. I simply said it was an unjust comparison due to the talent disparity. Give McDermott the talent and time that Calipari has had and then compare. That can be said for any coach. Calipari just has not proved that he can manage within the lines of the court. On the contrary, he has proven multiple times that he can not manage a game within the lines of the court.

1) Wisconsin
2) Kansas State
3) St. Peter's
4) Inbounds plays
5) Refusing zone defense
6) Dribble drive that is dead
7) Stall ball
8) Refusal to knock opponents out with a lead under 4 minutes
9) Inappropriate refusal of using time outs
10) Publicly stating he doesn't care about watching film
 

kl40504_rivals

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I never said nor implied that I would take McDermott. I simply said it was an unjust comparison due to the talent disparity. Give McDermott the talent and time that Calipari has had and then compare. That can be said for any coach. Calipari just has not proved that he can manage within the lines of the court. On the contrary, he has proven multiple times that he can not manage a game within the lines of the court.

1) Wisconsin
2) Kansas State
3) St. Peter's
4) Inbounds plays
5) Refusing zone defense
6) Dribble drive that is dead
7) Stall ball
8) Refusal to knock opponents out with a lead under 4 minutes
9) Inappropriate refusal of using time outs
10) Publicly stating he doesn't care about watching film
I thought recruiting was part of the coaches responsibility.
 
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cats#1again

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McDermott has done a great job at Creighton. Seems like a very solid coach.

However, to say he is a better in-game coach than Cal is simply stupid. He has been to the Sweet 16 once in his entire coaching career.

In 22 seasons as a head coach (Northern Iowa, Iowa St and Creighton) he has won 6 NCAA tourney games total. He's not a better in-game coach than Cal (or nearly any Power 5 coach for that matter).
They looked awesome in the tournament this past year. I would think top 5-10 is legit
 

MdWIldcat55

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Don't tell him or his "camp" that because they think he is the next Larry Legend.
We'll see. I thought he could be a decent 6th man at Kentucky, maybe even a starter in Grady's spot. I don't think he's as good as a healthy Fredrick, who has proven much more at a higher level.

BS had a good game in a routine loss to Providence in the NCAA tournament.

Other than that, if you check SDSU's schedule, the only legitimate major conference team he played against was Alabama. That was a roughly 20-point loss in which he scored ten points on 0-7 shooting from 3.

Seriously, everyone has bad games, but his performance against Alabama raises a concern on whether he can get good looks and hit contested shots against athletic players.

There's a 13-minute YouTube clip on that game I watched when it looked like Scheierman might come to Kentucky - it is not just Bama highlights, it shows quite a few of the scoring plays by either team. BS was largely invisible. Bama's much quicker players took him totally out of his game. 2-3 other kids on SDSU had better performances. Watch it if you don't believe me.
 
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Jamal Mercer

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McDermott has done a great job at Creighton. Seems like a very solid coach.

However, to say he is a better in-game coach than Cal is simply stupid. He has been to the Sweet 16 once in his entire coaching career.

In 22 seasons as a head coach (Northern Iowa, Iowa St and Creighton) he has won 6 NCAA tourney games total. He's not a better in-game coach than Cal (or nearly any Power 5 coach for that matter).
Using tourney success to compare a power 5 coach, with all the advantages in the world, to Creightons coach…….Creighton.

Always one of the worst arguments when comparing coaches.
 

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We will loose many good players that we used to have our pick of until Cal is gone. Word is out about him and his system. May as well accept it. He will try to blame it on NIL like yesterday or something else.
 
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McDermott has done a great job at Creighton. Seems like a very solid coach.

However, to say he is a better in-game coach than Cal is simply stupid. He has been to the Sweet 16 once in his entire coaching career.

In 22 seasons as a head coach (Northern Iowa, Iowa St and Creighton) he has won 6 NCAA tourney games total. He's not a better in-game coach than Cal (or nearly any Power 5 coach for that matter).
He really hasn’t had the talent. He’s just starting to get some. If you watch them play, he’s a much better offensive coach than Cal
 

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We will loose many good players that we used to have our pick of until Cal is gone. Word is out about him and his system. May as well accept it. He will try to blame it on NIL like yesterday or something else.
Yep. His style of play absolutely kills him in recruiting. Nobody wants to play that slow down, prodding offensive scheme. It’s terrible.
 
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What does Calipari do that makes him a better in-game coach?
As he demonstrated in the championship game against Kansas, the final four game against Wisconsin and the opening round game against St. Peter's, Calipari is adroit at soiling his britches in-game, if that somehow makes others think higher of him as a coach...
 

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I live in Omaha, but not a Creighton fan. But their coach is a much better in game coach than Cal. A very fun offense to watch . And I guess that’s why he decided on Creighton. Tough for Kentucky to get these types of shooters with their current style of offense.
I do think Kentucky will be good. Shooting might be an issue. But very interesting non the less to see Creighton as a potential preseason top 5 team
He did not pick Creighton based on offensive efficiency. UK was 10th in NCAA ratings and Creighton was #98. KY didn’t get him because it was not going to pay for him via NIL.
 

RoyKent

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He really hasn’t had the talent. He’s just starting to get some. If you watch them play, he’s a much better offensive coach than Cal
Cal's offensive ratings:
2022 - 5
2021 - 84
2020 - 24
2019 - 12
2018 - 24
2017 - 10

Average: 26.5

McDermott's offensive ratings:
2022 - 112
2021 - 25
2020 - 3
2019 - 47
2018 - 25
2017 - 32

Average: 41

Explain to me again how "he's a much better offensive coach than Cal"
 
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He did not pick Creighton based on offensive efficiency. UK was 10th in NCAA ratings and Creighton was #98. KY didn’t get him because it was not going to pay for him via NIL.
Creighton plays a much more exciting game of basketball. They play a “let it fly” style . Now they didn’t have their typical 3 point shooters last year like they usually do. But they do have a damn good center (which is rare for them), and a solid point guard. He’s going to fill Alex Oconnells role. And he should be much better then him. I bet coach McDermott will try to use him like he played his son Doug when he tore it up
 

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McDermott has done a great job at Creighton. Seems like a very solid coach.

However, to say he is a better in-game coach than Cal is simply stupid. He has been to the Sweet 16 once in his entire coaching career.

In 22 seasons as a head coach (Northern Iowa, Iowa St and Creighton) he has won 6 NCAA tourney games total. He's not a better in-game coach than Cal (or nearly any Power 5 coach for that matter).
All your stats point to nothing but whose had the better players and I would have as well coaching at UK. Can you explain in detail wiht specifics how Cal is a better in game coach?

A better way to ask that is . . . what does Cal do IN GAME that makes him a better coach that McDermott?
 

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Cal's offensive ratings:
2022 - 5
2021 - 84
2020 - 24
2019 - 12
2018 - 24
2017 - 10

Average: 26.5

McDermott's offensive ratings:
2022 - 112
2021 - 25
2020 - 3
2019 - 47
2018 - 25
2017 - 32

Average: 41

Explain to me again how "he's a much better offensive coach than Cal"
Look at the talent difference. A lot of that has to do with transition points and offensive rebounds into points for Kentucky. But if you ever watch Creighton, their half court offense is much more exciting