Tubby or Cal?

[saxonburgcat]

Are those numbers accurate?

Nope! They are misleading. In 18 and 19, Cal won 5 NCAA games. He didn't win any games in 20, 21, and 22. 21 the tournament was CANCELLED! Counting the 21 tournament as not winning any games is misleading and maybe even dishonest. Why not compare apples and apples and count the 17 season? That would add 3 to Cal's total.

 

[runningbears_rivals310920]

I was around for both.

I am not a Cal guy at all... but no way is it as bad as with Tubby. Tubby was really bad at the end. We ain't there yet. I hope we Never got there - but it's not that bad... yet.

Having said that - I would be ecstatic to see him head to NBA today.

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

Didn’t Rupp go his last 12-13 years without a title. Joe B in 84 with the second half meltdown. Both would have been slaughtered on here.

Cal is already at 10 years without one...Rupp also went to 3 Elite 8's, 2 S-16's and won the SEC every year in his last 5 years as coach.

Comparing Cal to Rupp is like comparing **** to chili...but then again what else would I expect from a professor in revisionist history.

 

[saxonburgcat]

Cal is already at 10 years without one...Rupp also went to 3 Elite 8's, 2 S-16's and won the SEC every year in his last 5 years as coach.

Comparing Cal to Rupp is like comparing **** to chili...but then again what else would I expect from a professor in revisionist history.

Serious question: Why did you include the year the NCAA had no tournament in your numbers for Cal? That distorts the reality of Cal's record.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

I’d take tubby. Even though it was about to probably get worse under him, tubby cared enough to it leave when he needed to and didnt put anything above trying to win at least. Cal’s time was more successful because he managed to get one game further a few times. That’s pretty much it.

Never thought I’d say it but Calipari might be below tubby in my book just because of how he’s created mass apathy with UK basketball. Just listen to some of these Caliphiles and their weak *** excuses.

Pitino’s era was better than Calipari’s by MILES. Not a close call at all.

 

[bigsmoothie]

No, what does that mean? Tell us.

You posted it

 

[bigsmoothie]

If a "cause" is so great and important then how come they haven't used their NIL to promote said cause?
I'll tell u why, because it has a direct impact on their financial well-being. Guess it wasn't that important.

How do you know they haven’t?

 

[bigsmoothie]

Cal is already at 10 years without one...Rupp also went to 3 Elite 8's, 2 S-16's and won the SEC every year in his last 5 years as coach.

Comparing Cal to Rupp is like comparing **** to chili...but then again what else would I expect from a professor in revisionist history.

How many team made the tourney then? Not 64. Much easier to advance.

 

[yoshukai]

Both won a title and represented the school with 100% class. Great successs in the SEC regular season and tourney. Tubby 100% deserved his jersey being retired and Cal will too some day. UK was and is lucky to have both.

Tubby realized it was time to go . Hopefully Cal will too , when the time comes.

 

[yoshukai]

The end of Cal is and will be worse than Tubby. Cal has done things we could never have conceived of under Tubby

Tubby is a MUCH more likable guy . That makes a huge difference imo.

 

[wldctky_rivals70430]

I am guessing some of you long for the days of having Tubby and a roster full of projects?...Jared Carter, Lukasz Obrzut, Shagari Alleyne, Sheray Thomas, and Bobby Perry on the same roster... no thank you

 

[bigsmoothie]

Serious question: Why did you include the year the NCAA had no tournament in your numbers for Cal? That distorts the reality of Cal's record.

You know why they include it. Same reason they count the last 5 years. It fits their agenda.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Both won a title and represented the school with 100% class. Great successs in the SEC regular season and tourney. Tubby 100% deserved his jersey being retired and Cal will too some day. UK was and is lucky to have both.

"Lucky to have both?"

This is Kentucky. Winning is what we do.

 

[saxonburgcat]

You know why they include it. Same reason they count the last 5 years. It fits their agenda.

I can understand if some of these posters simply make a mistake but when the error is pointed out, they ignore it. This tells me that they have to make crap up to make Cal look bad.

 

[ukgrad83]

This is Kentucky. Winning is what we used to do.

FIFY. Sadly..

 

[kybassfan]

The fan underbelly slinging crap did it worse, BY FAR!!!

 

[saxonburgcat]

Absolutely correct.

Absolutely not. You cannot count a year in which there was no tournament. It is dishonest.

 

[megablue]

Who in their right mind would go all the way to Alaska to scout Ramon Harris? Man could have frequented the local YMCAs and found more talent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramon_Harris

 

[saxonburgcat]

Oh boy, Cal's record is famous for asterisks though isn't it...always an excuse...without looking, I bet he holds the record over Eddie for wins vacated as a head coach.

Winning percentage, you know actual games won and lost? He comes in behind everyone but Clyde and Sutton...I guess you're going to want to blame Covid for that one too?

I can also remember failure before as in Bobby Morris in the NIT, two fragile PG's and being outcoached by Kevin Ollie among others...where is he at now again?

For once we agree. There is no excuse for Cal not having won some tournament games in year in which there was no tournament. Tubby would have managed to win 6. We need to bring Tubby back so we can win games in the tournament!!

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

For once we agree. There is no excuse for Cal not having won some tournament games in year in which there was no tournament. Tubby would have managed to win 6. We need to bring Tubby back so we can win games in the tournament!!

Tip toed right over all the facts and added your own fallacy...the Covid year is all you got would be why.

 

[saxonburgcat]

Who in their right mind would go all the way to Alaska to scout Ramon Harris? Man could have frequented the local YMCAs and found more talent.

That was so classic. I still remember Tubby playing Harris in a game and then saying on TV that he was thinking about doing a redshirt year for him. WTH??? Didn't Tubby know the rules?? Apparently not.

 

[saxonburgcat]

Tip toed right over all the facts and added your own fallacy...the Covid year is all you got would be why.

You have turned into a total joke.

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

You have turned into a total joke.

That about it?

Well in your sheltered world, at least I've got Cal to keep me company... [laughing]

 

[saxonburgcat]

That about it?

Well in your sheltered world, at least I've got Cal to keep me company... [laughing]

Well, I have always given you credit for your "creative art." That is one thing you are good at but statistics definitely isn't something you understand.

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

Well, I have always given you credit for your "creative art." That is one thing you are good at but statistics definitely isn't something you understand.

Yeah I'm having a hard time remembering how many NCAA tourney wins we've had the last three years...or the last two if that fits better...seems like it was a whole number in both cases...

 

[notFromhere]

.... Well, the landscape changed and we no longer had many studs or stability on the roster and his lack of coaching IQ is now on display.

Cal sucking doesn't change that Tubby sucked at the end too. It was just for different reasons. Good guy but it was time to go and it's time for Cal to bounce too but he's going to have to be the one to break up because we can't do it.

What many people fear and then hypothesize is you're going to get some extreme. Somehow you can't get an in-between---smart coach who can also recruit and build a good and consist roster without every year having massive turnover.

Yep. This right here

I will say, after many conversations about this over the years, that the overall reason is the same. Both thought more of their abilities as coach than they have proven to be. Both refused to be (or were simple incapable of being) flexible. They wanted to coach the way they coach regardless of outcome because they'd already proved themselves by winning a title. It's ego in Both cases. It's laziness in both cases.

My nightmare scenario would be choosing between either at this point.

If Tubby used his gift of being able to strategize, and Cal used his marketing ability, and we found a really great developer of talent like neither of those two are or had, we'd be unstoppable with all three on the staff. Lol

 

[notFromhere]

Tubby if he was at KY today with the transfers portal and NIL, the guy would coach up whatever he got to a title

Or would he just not return phone calls and stop communicating with recruits he knew were interested?

I seem to recall Coach Smith saying he wasn't a big fan of the transfer portal, so maybe he wouldn't accept transfers like that. Of course, I also recall him saying we'd "run more" as well, so maybe I can't take him at his word on that either.

 

[kywildcat1021979]

Makes you wonder why BCG didn’t get a lifetime contract too

Thank goodness Mitch didn’t get his contract on paper and it was only on a napkin. If that would’ve been the case he would’ve probably had some stupid ridiculous contract that we would’ve been stuck with for a few more years! Didn’t UK still have to pay him about 4 million to still go away with his contract only being on a napkin?

 

[UK_born_b_bread]

Prefer Tubby every day of the week and twice on Sundays!

 

[sam_o]

Tubby is a MUCH more likable guy . That makes a huge difference imo.

Absolutely

 

[OmahaCats]

I don't dislike Cal (I think it's time he moved on, though), but I respect Tubby almost as much as Joe B., which is saying something.

I think he bounced back real well honestly from the Covid season. Our guards flopped late in the season. Yes it was a bad loss. But we had a hell of a team for most of the year. I mean a two seed doesn’t suck. I don’t see anyone giving Cal credit for that

 

[Nightwish84]

Give Tubby Cal's roster during his tenure and I guarantee he comes back with more than 1 title.

Tubby got fat and lazy and mailed it in when he got his big payday - sound familiar? The difference is Tubby could coach a team up in a game and make adjustments, whereas Cal is too ignorant and stubborn and gets outcoached on the big stage by far lesser names.

Tubby had better in-game coaching/adjustments. The 98 Duke game was a masterclass. Having said that, in the above, you guarantee Tubby would have more titles with Cal guys, then back up the statement by comparing Tubby to Cal re: mailing it in. That's called trying to have it both ways. Tubby got us #7 and couldn't make it past the EE again, then faded away. Who knows if he would have more with Cal guys. Recently, Pitino has had more success with lower stars and transfers. Give him Cal guys, and the locker room might implode for all we know.

I don't see Cal magically turning this ship around, but I do enjoy the shifts we see on rafters. It wasn't that long ago when some were arguing that Tubby didn't belong in the rafters of Rupp. Why? I can't tell you. There was a weird "he doesn't deserve it" vibe for whatever reason, until it was finally announced. Should be noted as well that the SEC was trash back then and one tournament was completely cancelled. Not taking up for Cal, but his numbers might be slightly improved if the tourney happened and he was coaching during the "oh the SEC? You mean UK and a bunch of nobodies?" timeframe.

 

[Nightwish84]

Prefer Tubby every day of the week and twice on Sundays!

Which version of Tubby would you like, because after he left UK, he was shall we say, less than impressive. Love the guy and he deserves praise, but if you want High Point Tubby twice on Sundays, you're going 0-2 by nightfall.

 

[Fat-so]

That awkward time when the Cal cheerleaders aren't pimping "the numbers"...they probably haven't even looked at the numbers and are still reliving the 2012 season...wishing in one hand, while crapping in the other...

Hellfire.. I won’t never daydream about them Lake Cumberland parties & orgies by UK cheerleaders without thinking of this now. Thanks for putting that to rest for me.., .

 

[Bluefaithful]

Yeah I'm having a hard time remembering how many NCAA tourney wins we've had the last three years...or the last two if that fits better...seems like it was a whole number in both cases...

I believe it's the same amount as how many intelligent posts you have made. ZERO

 

[bigc45157]

It's not even a question. Tubby's issue was recruiting and his motivation to do it well. Beyond that, he gave 100% to coaching, winning games, the tournament, respecting our traditions, respecting our fans, etc.

We had a Final Four drought for sure, but people forget that he had about a 3 year span there where we were the winningest program in college ball even though we didn't make it to the FF. And he wasn't ducking the other traditional powers, canceling home and home series, etc.

I'd take that Tubby back in a heartbeat at this point.

Well said, but I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t take Tubby back. The board would eat him alive after a mediocre at best roster and season.

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

I believe it's the same amount as how many intelligent posts you have made. ZERO

You're late for the convention Darth...don't forget your cape and contraceptive device...

 

[CatPhight_rivals65113]

Tubby had better in-game coaching/adjustments. The 98 Duke game was a masterclass. Having said that, in the above, you guarantee Tubby would have more titles with Cal guys, then back up the statement by comparing Tubby to Cal re: mailing it in. That's called trying to have it both ways. Tubby got us #7 and couldn't make it past the EE again, then faded away. Who knows if he would have more with Cal guys. Recently, Pitino has had more success with lower stars and transfers. Give him Cal guys, and the locker room might implode for all we know.

I don't see Cal magically turning this ship around, but I do enjoy the shifts we see on rafters. It wasn't that long ago when some were arguing that Tubby didn't belong in the rafters of Rupp. Why? I can't tell you. There was a weird "he doesn't deserve it" vibe for whatever reason, until it was finally announced. Should be noted as well that the SEC was trash back then and one tournament was completely cancelled. Not taking up for Cal, but his numbers might be slightly improved if the tourney happened and he was coaching during the "oh the SEC? You mean UK and a bunch of nobodies?" timeframe.

So in what areas of coaching (minus recruiting) do you see Cal superior?

 

[Cooger32]

We have the biggest babies in a fan base, there’s no team that clings more to championships won in the 40’s and 50’s then Kentucky.

 

[Bluefaithful]

You're late for the convention Darth...don't forget your cape and contraceptive device...

Thank you, I'd rather be Darth than a Minion. Good luck with your negative trolling with you and all your minions.