New England's pick to kick?
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Given the way the Pats defense had controlled the Jets, it's not that odd of a call. Belichick was gambling that they would get better field position after a defensive stop than a kickoff. A punt from the 30 or further back isn't going as far as a kickoff from the 35. So I don't necessarily think it was a bad decision.
The ref messed up, though, not Slater. The ref asked "do you want to kick?" Slater answered "we want to kick that way." He was trying to pick direction, but because the ref worded it weird, Slater was really choosing to kick.
The ref messed up, though, not Slater. The ref asked "do you want to kick?" Slater answered "we want to kick that way." He was trying to pick direction, but because the ref worded it weird, Slater was really choosing to kick.
Rules favor the team with ball first. Relying on defense and then offense is dumb and overthinking. Let one unit win. Don't make two succeed. There needs to be major weather factors in play to merit kicking in nfl overtime
Exactly. He does not make dumb coaching moves often but he did yesterday. No need to overthink NFL overtime. You have a clear advantage to being on offense first.
This is the correct answer. Its not the most popular answer, but SOMETIMES its the right one. I didn't watch that game, but others have made the same call. Its worked for them.
The coin toss is actually fraught with peril if you don't know what you are doing because there are more than two possible choices. You can defer, choose to receive, choose to defend, or choose to kick which is the one that gets teams in trouble because it forfeits the choice of goal to defend. Keith Fourcade of the black bears screwed that one up in an early 80s egg bowl. He won the toss and chose to kick which gave us the option to receive in the second half thus getting the ball to start both halves.
I do have one question about the pats game though. The referee stated that the pat captain could not select to kick a certain way because that is two choices but then stated he could have chosen to defend a certain goal. My question is why is kicking a certain way two choices but defending a certain way not two choices also?
Seems to me that the only valid choices should be either receive or defer and never to kick or defend. If you want the ball you choose to receive. If you want to defend a certain end you defer which forces the other guy to choose to receive so you can then pick which way you want to go.
I do have one question about the pats game though. The referee stated that the pat captain could not select to kick a certain way because that is two choices but then stated he could have chosen to defend a certain goal. My question is why is kicking a certain way two choices but defending a certain way not two choices also?
Seems to me that the only valid choices should be either receive or defer and never to kick or defend. If you want the ball you choose to receive. If you want to defend a certain end you defer which forces the other guy to choose to receive so you can then pick which way you want to go.
We received both halves against Florida in 2001 as well.
The theory on this one is that Belichick wanted the Jets to win and not allow a stronger Steelers team to get in their way in the playoffs. I would have gone a more subtle out route pick 6 on purpose or a fumble the first play after receiving.. Either could have just been between Brady and Belichick.
The theory on this one is that Belichick wanted the Jets to win and not allow a stronger Steelers team to get in their way in the playoffs. I would have gone a more subtle out route pick 6 on purpose or a fumble the first play after receiving.. Either could have just been between Brady and Belichick.
How is it a dumb coaching move? They told the ref that kicking is NOT what they wanted to do. You clearly missed out on a Sunday of football.
The theory on this one is that Belichick wanted the Jets to win and not allow a stronger Steelers team to get in their way in the playoffs. I would have gone a more subtle out route pick 6 on purpose or a fumble the first play after receiving.. Either could have just been between Brady and Belichick.[/QUOTE said:
You can't say "we want to KICK and DEFEND SIDE A," you can only pick one of those two. If you pick "DEFEND SIDE A," the other team has the option to kick or receive. Defending a side is independent of kicking or receiving as you always defend a side regardless of whether your team has possession or not.
NFL needs to develop a card with the possible options. Each team takes a card...
to the coin flip. (The card would include the "heads or tails" choice by the visiting team.)
After the flip, the ref reads the options chosen by the teams.
This could eliminate almost all of the confusion.
to the coin flip. (The card would include the "heads or tails" choice by the visiting team.)
After the flip, the ref reads the options chosen by the teams.
This could eliminate almost all of the confusion.
I don't really know. It was bizarre.
ETA: Now I think that they wanted to choose the direction and let the Jets decide if they want the ball. I had originally thought that they didn't want to kick.
Another thing, there were three patriots captains but then there were just two. Where did the middle man go?
ETA: Now I think that they wanted to choose the direction and let the Jets decide if they want the ball. I had originally thought that they didn't want to kick.
Another thing, there were three patriots captains but then there were just two. Where did the middle man go?
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Is that
necessary? I mean how difficult is this? Granted, I've never played in the NFL, but don't you essentilly have two choices, 1)kick/receive/defer 2)choose a side? What's so difficult about that? Am I missing something?
necessary? I mean how difficult is this? Granted, I've never played in the NFL, but don't you essentilly have two choices, 1)kick/receive/defer 2)choose a side? What's so difficult about that? Am I missing something?
That looks like essentially five choices. But maths were never my strong suit.
So, clearly YOU missed a Sunday of football and were too much of an idiot to look something up before posting something stupid. Got it. Typical of your posting.
No matter what strategy you say BB had in mind, I'll tell you it was stupid. Any strategy that could result in your best player, Tom Brady, not touching the ball is not a good strategy. Why on earth would you not put the ball in his hands. There is literally no other QB on earth id rather be in that situation with.
I think in college you win the toss and you either choose defer/kick/receive or you pick a side of the field. In college, if you choose to defer to the second half the other team has the option to kick or receive. If the loser of the toss chooses to kick after the winner elected to defer, then the winner of the toss gets it at the 1st half and has the option of kicking or receiving at the 2nd half.
However, I think in the pros it's not like that. I think the winner of the toss chooses to kick/receive or pick a side of the field. The loser of the toss picks whichever the winner does not. For example, the winner chooses to defer and the winner picks which side of the field they want.
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WTF? I was watching the game live. I watched the replay multiple times. They did NOT want to kick. I thought they wanted to receive but they just wanted to pick the direction. You can't read. Got it. Don't post your BS when you spent the day returning Christmas presents to Dollar General.
You said it was a stupid coaching decision. You can't distinguish between a stupid decision by a player and a coaching strategy. Typical of your posting.
UNLESS they saw where the Steelers had lost and here's a chance to keep a dangerous team out of the playoffs.
Idiot, BB said he wanted to kick the ball... He said that multiple times after the game. That was his strategy. Google it. You're making yourself look stupid. Slater even said that BB told the ref that if they won the toss they wanted to kick the ball.
I'm not saying that is not a possibility but the patriots had a chance to wrap up home field advantage by winning yesterday. However, they do play the Dolphins Sunday, which is as close to a guaranteed win as you'll get in the NFL right now.
What else is he going to say? My player is stupid. What I say? You stupid.
If Slater say he heard what BB told the ref, then there shouldn't have been confusion.
Yes, I watched the post game press conference before I posted. But yes, you have the power of Google. I just think they shouldn't let kids play with loaded weapons.
So, BB and slater are both lying to just have the player save face? BB has made this call before. Against Denver in either 2012 or 2013. It worked out for him in that game and they won. But I guess this time the player screwed up and now everyone is lying to protect the player. Seems legit.
This is what people who are too stupid to win an argument do. It's called deflecting.
Agree 100% just a stupid thing to say. Probably thought it was really clever too. And I shopped at Walmart FYI****
I remember a couple of years ago that one of the captains elected to kick at the beginning of the game. So after halftime, the other team naturally elected to receive. That's almost as bad as the Alabama guy who ran the wrong way in the Rose Bowl about a hundred years ago.
Normally, the group of captains that meet on the field includes the quarterback, who also is normally one of the most intelligent individuals on the team. Wrong decisions shouldn't happen, and they've no doubt been told what to do beforehand by the coach.
ETA ... the decision to kick may be what this thread is all about ... I haven't read the entire thing. Just bored this afternoon watching Minnesota and Central Michigan so I'm typing away.
Normally, the group of captains that meet on the field includes the quarterback, who also is normally one of the most intelligent individuals on the team. Wrong decisions shouldn't happen, and they've no doubt been told what to do beforehand by the coach.
ETA ... the decision to kick may be what this thread is all about ... I haven't read the entire thing. Just bored this afternoon watching Minnesota and Central Michigan so I'm typing away.
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