For all the bitching about Mullen's recruiting..

[57stratdawg]

We have a chance to land some out of state studs in this class.

#1 in Georgia - Derrick Brown
#5 in Alabama - John Broussard
#7 in Alabama - Jeremiah Moon
#8 in Alabama - Jamal Couch
#8 in Louisiana - Stephen Sullivan (#100 nationally)
#7 in Tennessee - Emmit Gooden (likely headed to JUCO)

All indications are Broussard sticks with Auburn unless something crazy happens. I'm not sure that will even be enough. Brown seems like a long shot as well, but who knows. Even still, if we can land more than we miss on that list, it'll probably be Mullen's best OOS haul.

Couple that with guys like Simmons, Knott, AJ Brown, Kobe Jones, Lashley and RDavis (likely headed to JUCO as well), and we could slip into the top 20 or higher on 247.

 

[Hankp22]

Good Post

People that incessantly gripe about Mullen need to grow up. Our program has been elevated to a peak MSU football has never seen. We are continually placing people in the NFL and have a few more underclassmen ready to make the jump this year. Last year was his highest ranked recruiting class to date. Our program is in the best shape it has been and if he can close with a few outlined in your OP, we will have a lot of talent moving forward. Think about the number of people we lost a year ago to the NFL. And think about the athletes currently on our roster that are about to or eventually will make that jump.

 

[57stratdawg]

I hope it's a consistant thing going forward though.

Look at that list and it's a guy with two MSU grad parents, Jarvous Varnardo's half brother, and a couple Billy Gonzalez targets.

Either way, it's an encouraging trend IMO.

 

[anon1787432961]

Big fish...

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[tired]

I don't claim to know it all or how we can recruit better. I do think there's something missing. What, I don't know.

I asked the question if Mullen is a lazy recruiter because I've heard that thrown around & wanted your guys opinion. I personally don't think he's lazy, I tend to agree with Palos, he just doesn't like it.
But for 4 million per year he needs to start liking it.
I do appreciate what Mullen has done for our program.

I have heard from a very reliable source that he is currently busting his *** in recruiting. So that's good to hear. Hopefully we'll land some of these guys

 

[aTotal360]

That's all fine and dandy, but it will still probably put us last or next to last in our division. Heck, we could have a top 20 class and finish 9th in the conference.

 

[1msucub]

That's all fine and dandy, but it will still probably put us last or next to last in our division. Heck, we could have a top 20 class and finish 9th in the conference.

^^This^^....there's just no way to sugarcoat or deny that.

 

[was21]

If Dan is getting antsy and looking at the greener grass, he will have to work his way over there. Simply stated, that's a win/win situation for him and for us. There aren't that many jobs that pay comparable to what he's getting paid and they don't come vacant that often. When they do, there is a lot of competition for them. I don't want him to leave, I want him and staff to work as hard as they can.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

And it's not changing as long as Mullen is here so there's no reason for everyone to be up in arms about it. We haven't ever and we won't out recruit aTm, UA, Mississippi, LSU, Bama, UT, UF or UGA. The only chances we have recruiting with them hinges on the talent coming out of MS any given year. Last year had loads of talent and we signed a middle of the pack SEC class. That's the best we'll do and it's pointless to think otherwise.

 

[tired]

And it's not changing as long as Mullen is here so there's no reason for everyone to be up in arms about it. We haven't ever and we won't out recruit aTm, UA, Mississippi, LSU, Bama, UT, UF or UGA. The only chances we have recruiting with them hinges on the talent coming out of MS any given year. Last year had loads of talent and we signed a middle of the pack SEC class. That's the best we'll do and it's pointless to think otherwise.

It's the best we can do at our current way of recruiting. Most kids play for the coach & not the school, unless it's Bama. So how does Mullen convince them that they should play for him?

 

[engie]

That's all fine and dandy, but it will still probably put us last or next to last in our division. Heck, we could have a top 20 class and finish 9th in the conference.

And we went into the final week of the regular season in playoff contention led by two classes that averaged about #40...

How heavily we redshirt skews into our favor a decent amount when looking at classes... And we are certainly recruiting at a much higher clip than we did on the front end with Dan, assuming this class finished as expected. I see a one position flaw in our recruiting... Jmo...

 

[121Josey]

Jeremiah Moon? If he were made of cheese...

 

[121Josey]

How heavily we redshirt skews into our favor a decent amount when looking at classes... And we are certainly recruiting at a much higher clip than we did on the front end with Dan, assuming this class finished as expected. I see a one position flaw in our recruiting... Jmo...

Early playing time > redshirting.

 

[BossDawg78]

We had a "chance" to land Cam Newton, too, and many, many other big recruits. But......

If it's anything we could be doing better at, it's 'crootin.

 

[ShrubDog]

We always have a chance to land big named guys. We always have a chance to land a top 10 class. Just like a card counter has an edge over the house but we aint no card counters.

 

[Palos verdes]

We have a chance to land some out of state studs in this class.

#1 in Georgia - Derrick Brown
#5 in Alabama - John Broussard
#7 in Alabama - Jeremiah Moon
#8 in Alabama - Jamal Couch
#8 in Louisiana - Stephen Sullivan (#100 nationally)
#7 in Tennessee - Emmit Gooden (likely headed to JUCO)

All indications are Broussard sticks with Auburn unless something crazy happens. I'm not sure that will even be enough. Brown seems like a long shot as well, but who knows. Even still, if we can land more than we miss on that list, it'll probably be Mullen's best OOS haul.

Couple that with guys like Simmons, Knott, AJ Brown, Kobe Jones, Lashley and RDavis (likely headed to JUCO as well), and we could slip into the top 20 or higher on 247.

Derrick Brown will not be at MSU. That's a fact.

 

[Faustdog]

And it's not changing as long as Mullen is here so there's no reason for everyone to be up in arms about it. We haven't ever and we won't out recruit aTm, UA, Mississippi, LSU, Bama, UT, UF or UGA. The only chances we have recruiting with them hinges on the talent coming out of MS any given year. Last year had loads of talent and we signed a middle of the pack SEC class. That's the best we'll do and it's pointless to think otherwise.

It's bs to throw ole miss in with that bunch. Jackie out recruited them on a consistent basis. There is no reason we can't recruit as well as them. It is true that neither of us can out recruit Bama, UGA, or LSU on a consistent basis.

 

[Rockydawg]

We haven't ever and we won't out recruit aTm, UA, Mississippi, LSU, Bama, UT, UF or UGA.

This. This ******** right here. I'm sick of hearing this ******** right here. Is there a rule on how many times you can say ********? Because I'm sick of this ********.

 

[Palos verdes]

We could recruit as well as them. If they were playing fair, we would be.

 

[BossDawg78]

This. This ******** right here. I'm sick of hearing this ******** right here. Is there a rule on how many times you can say ********? Because I'm sick of this ********.

Naw man...you just have to get used to it. We jess po' ol' Missippi State n' we s'pposed to bend ova' n' take our licks like the trash we are.

I'm sick of it, too. I'm a pretty pessimistic person but I know damn well if UMiss can do it, then State can do it. There certainly won't be any improvement if our fans keep looking at the past as a measuring stick and not demanding some changes.

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

What is bull ****? The fact that we don't recruit as well as half the SEC? I'm not condemning our program off of our recruiting rankings, I'm actually happy with where we are at and more or less how we recruit. It's just a fact that , on paper, we recruit at a lower level than half of the SEC.

 

[Sandman.sixpack]

We could recruit as well as them. If they were playing fair, we would be.

We have beaten OM two of the past four years in recruiting (2012 and 2015) according to the services. Plus we have landed more than our share of Mississippi's talent in that timeframe. IMO we've beaten OM more than they've beaten us on the players we've gone head to head with them on (Chris Jones, Leo Lewis, Gerri Green, etc).

 

[Junction John]

/Raises hand. I'll take that deal right now and be happy as a pig in ****.

we could have a top 20 class and finish 9th in the conference.

Do this every year and I like our chances. It's not our development that hurts us. I'd give Dan the edge with roughly the same talent up against Les, Gus, Curly Howard, the Beav and several coaches in the east.

If we're in the top 20 there's not much of a disparity. It's when we finish in the 40's and they are in the top 5 that puts us behind the 8-ball (Rebel recruiting reference intended)

 

[BiscuitEater]

Do this every year and I like our chances. It's not our development that hurts us. I'd give Dan the edge with roughly the same talent up against Les, Gus, Curly Howard, the Beav and several coaches in the east.

If we're in the top 20 there's not much of a disparity. It's when we finish in the 40's and they are in the top 5 that puts us behind the 8-ball (Rebel recruiting reference intended)

Bingo! Junction 'gets it' .. We still have the smallest AD budget in the conference but the SEC Network $$ are going to make the percentages narrow as we go forward. Facilities gap has narrowed too. Dak and exposure has helped.

 

[aTotal360]

Our scheduling has won more games for us than our recruiting. We've preying on OOC and bad SEC teams. I'm happy that we are now relevant and are going to quality bowl games every year. Make no mistake about that. Again, I'm happy we are winning games. But let's not pretend we are great team. We haven't beaten a single great team since Dan's been here. Not a single one. An Arky or OM win is about it. Let me know if I'm wrong.

My frustration is that we are sooo close to being great. And recruiting is the only thing holding us back.

 

[Rockydawg]

Our scheduling has won more games for us than our recruiting. We've preying on OOC and bad SEC teams. I'm happy that we are now relevant and are going to quality bowl games every year. Make no mistake about that. Again, I'm happy we are winning games. But let's not pretend we are great team. We haven't beaten a single great team since Dan's been here. Not a single one. An Arky or OM win is about it. Let me know if I'm wrong.

My frustration is that we are sooo close to being great. And recruiting is the only thing holding us back.

That's it. Right there.

 

[DancingRabbit]

Is a 9-3 team a "bad SEC team"?

That's what Auburn and LSU would have been last year, had we not beat them.

Is a 6-2 conference record a bad SEC team? That's Arkansas this year, had we not beat them. At their place, when they were playing their best ball. Ended a 4-game win streak with wins over OM, LSU and Auburn.

I think that most of the time when someone suggests we are a great team, they are arguing with someone who is suggesting we are a terrible team.

I do agree that we need to recruit better to raise our ceiling. We seem to have already raised our floor. And our recruiting has been trending upward, so hopefully we can finish strong and continue that trend.

Our scheduling has won more games for us than our recruiting. We've preying on OOC and bad SEC teams. I'm happy that we are now relevant and are going to quality bowl games every year. Make no mistake about that. Again, I'm happy we are winning games. But let's not pretend we are great team. We haven't beaten a single great team since Dan's been here. Not a single one. An Arky or OM win is about it. Let me know if I'm wrong.

My frustration is that we are sooo close to being great. And recruiting is the only thing holding us back.

 

[aTotal360]

First of all, LSU was not a good team last year. Auburn last year was one of our best victories under Mullen. They lost 5 games but finished the year ranked 22.

Lastly, I never said we are a bad team. I am saying that for the most part, we've only beaten bad SEC teams. Look at the conference records of the teams we have beaten. We've beat ONE SEC team with a winning SEC record (Ark this year at 5-3). 21 of our 26 SEC wins are against teams that have won 3 or less conference games. We've preyed on bad SEC teams. Again, I'm not saying we are bad. Just saying we have taken full advantage of our scheduling.

I'd like to see us step up and beat some top tier SEC teams. Until recruiting improves, it's not going to happen.

I'm done fishwatering...

 

[aTotal360]

I'm done bragging about landing the best players in MS. Look at who our impact players are. Dak, Ross, Bear, Redmond, CJ, and the Brown brothers. Only 2 of them come from MS. Look at last year. Day, Preston, JRob...all from out of state.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Other than the OM

part, what is exactlly BS?

 

[Go Budaw]

The reason for the bitching is this. You just named 12 high profile guys we are in on. Of those 12, only one guy (Lashley) is someone who can help what is currently the weakest position on the team. OL is without a question the most important position to recruit for success in the SEC (yes, even more important than QB....Bama proves that each and every year). And it is the one position we haven't recruited worth a **** in 7 years. That isn't changing this year even if we sign all 12 of those guys.

 

[DocHolliday.sixpack]

+1 And currently at 52nd per Rivals

Do this every year and I like our chances. It's not our development that hurts us. I'd give Dan the edge with roughly the same talent up against Les, Gus, Curly Howard, the Beav and several coaches in the east.

If we're in the top 20 there's not much of a disparity. It's when we finish in the 40's and they are in the top 5 that puts us behind the 8-ball (Rebel recruiting reference intended)

I understand we have some time until signing day and some things will change. But accompanied with the ranking , I don't see a lot of commits that help our wink links. 52???

 

[57stratdawg]

Yeah, I think I'm there as well. Seems like MS produces some positions very well: LB, RB, DT, and (until this year) OG. Seems like we'll have to go out of state if we want QBs, CBs, DEs, and OTs though.

 

[57stratdawg]

But the help at OL was really addressed in the 2014 and 2015 signing classes. It's just not quite ready. We paid for sins of the 2010-2012 classes this year. Who knows, maybe next year too to a degree.

Jenkins, Rankins, Dion Calhoun, Story, and Darryl Williams will all develop into solid group, espeically if Story and Williams come along.

 

[engie]

I understand we have some time until signing day and some things will change. But accompanied with the ranking , I don't see a lot of commits that help our wink links. 52???

what are wink links? What is 52? Check back on Friday...

 

[engie]

And it is the one position we haven't recruited worth a **** in 7 years. That isn't changing this year even if we sign all 12 of those guys.

He didn't name everyone we are after.

Pretty good chance as of today that we end up signing 3 4* OTs in this class. Granted one of them probably won't be here for 2 years and the other 2 are going to take a little while before they are ready.

 

[HaleStater]

And why is it pointless to think otherwise? That line of thinking is why MSU has a horrible history. If the assclowns 90 miles north can do it why can't we? We have to play the game better. We have to leave the bags of $ in the hotel room on visit weekends that isn't traceable to anyone like they do. We can play the same game. To many limp wrists have a problem with that but then they have a problem getting our asses kicked 2 years in a row. Can't have it both ways.

 

[HaleStater]

That was the exception and not the rule. The rule is 5-28 against the top 25 and getting your *** handed to you by your rival 2 years in a row.

 

[Dog316]

We have a chance to land some out of state studs in this class.

#1 in Georgia - Derrick Brown
#5 in Alabama - John Broussard
#7 in Alabama - Jeremiah Moon
#8 in Alabama - Jamal Couch
#8 in Louisiana - Stephen Sullivan (#100 nationally)
#7 in Tennessee - Emmit Gooden (likely headed to JUCO)

All indications are Broussard sticks with Auburn unless something crazy happens. I'm not sure that will even be enough. Brown seems like a long shot as well, but who knows. Even still, if we can land more than we miss on that list, it'll probably be Mullen's best OOS haul.

Couple that with guys like Simmons, Knott, AJ Brown, Kobe Jones, Lashley and RDavis (likely headed to JUCO as well), and we could slip into the top 20 or higher on 247.

^^^^^^
Good post. However, unwarranted bitching is the ever present dark side of sports. Some fans expect nothing short of perfection from their coaches and players. Those fans never factor in things like budget, size of the recruiting pool, quality of the competition, or even the negative effect their remarks have on the public perception of Mississippi State. With them it is always about "them".

 

[maroonmania]

Derrick Brown will not be at MSU. That's a fact.

Well technically it doesn't become a fact until he signs somewhere else but I agree we won't get him.