Great B&B Show today guys.

[Bulldogg31]

Fantastic rant by HD6 and 100% correct.

If we were doing exactly the same thing we're doing now, but OM was going 6-6, we would be ECSTATIC.

 

[CrookedLetta4Eva]

Is that really what you want? For us to be ESTATIC about being 8-4??

When will our fan base stop settling for average? I will never be happy with average for any of our programs.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Did you listen? My comment has much less to do with being 8-4, but about our fanbase being happy about outperforming OM.

The reason people aren't happy with 6 straight bowl games and the best coach in our history is because Ole Miss just drank our milkshake.

 

[stateskills]

This just in....

Is that really what you want? For us to be ESTATIC about being 8-4??

When will our fan base stop settling for average? I will never be happy with average for any of our programs.

8-4 ain't average.

Seriously, where do you people come from? There is a whole helluva lot of grey in sports. I want the team to win every week. I acknowledge the fact that everyone around us is also working their tails off to win every week.

If you're only going to be happy if the team is undefeated, get another 17ing hobby.

Damn. Hadad is right. You people (you know who you are) need a break from the keyboard.

 

[TankOwens]

it should be required listening for this board..... 97.6% of ya'll have lost your f'n minds.

 

[dawgstudent]

For easy listening...

 

[aTotal360]

You must be a miserable person. How many times have we been 8-4? You might just want to find another team to cheer for. I want to win the SEC as much as you, but **** man, 8-4 is nothing to cry about.

 

[dawgstudent]

I'm guessing around 60% were 9-3 or worse. So we met our expectations as far as the board is concerned. It's just the OM game that leaves a sour taste in your mouth.

http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...SISSIPPI-STATE-BULLDOGS&p=1113349#post1113349

 

[dawgstudent]

I don't understand Brian's point - you can be ok with 8-4 but ridiculously pissed we **** the bed in 2 straight Egg Bowls and that's something that needs to be fixed.

 

[notoriousD_O_G]

I would say I am happy about the season but pissed about that game. I normqlly qm upset about a bad loss like that until we win again. We just need a bowl win and then SEC Bball will start and we will all have something else to ***** about.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

I don't understand Brian's point - you can be ok with 8-4 but ridiculously pissed we **** the bed in 2 straight Egg Bowls and that's something that needs to be fixed.

I understand his point and I agree with it. But here's the thing and why people are pissed.

It's really all about potential and missed opportunities. If you look at the last 2 seasons, we had the best quarterback to ever play college football in the state of Mississippi. I thought last year we performed up to our POTENTIAL for most of the season, but we **** the bed at the end. We had every bit more talent and potential than Ole Miss and Georgia Tech did last year but we didn't even show up for those 2 games. The same thing happened this year except we lost to a Texas A&M team that we were better than. And were 5 feet away from beating LSU.

This year, we lost out on a Sugar Bowl bid by being skulldrug by our instate rival. I can't even explain what a Sugar Bowl bid in Dak's last game would have done to our program and recruiting. Last year it was playoff potential that we barely missed out on. It's realizing how close we were to these and how we just missed out on them because of "not being ready to play" that bothers me.

It's not all about being 8-4 to me. It's all about what we could have been and missed out on. But for the fans that do use Ole Miss as a measuring stick, if we win our bowl game and they lose, we will finish with the same record.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

8-4 ain't average.

Seriously, where do you people come from? There is a whole helluva lot of grey in sports. I want the team to win every week. I acknowledge the fact that everyone around us is also working their tails off to win every week.

If you're only going to be happy if the team is undefeated, get another 17ing hobby.

Damn. Hadad is right. You people (you know who you are) need a break from the keyboard.

Not to argue with you, but we have been the definition of average in the SEC since Mullen got here. Here's a look at how we ranked compared to the rest of the SEC. overall records

2009- 11th
2010- Tie 5th
2011- Tie 7th
2012- 8th
2013- 10th
2014- Tie 3rd
2015- Tie 7th (with one game left)

That averages out to 7th place in a conference of 14. Pretty average if you ask me. In 2009, I would have taken this all day.

 

[aTotal360]

100% agreed with this. We beat 4 OOC teams, crushed some SEC cans, and beat an Arkansas team that also lost to Toledo. We had multiple opportunities to prove we were trending upward, and all we were shown was that we weren't. Even to the most untrained eye, you could see that we were simply out manned in our loses.

I said it at the beginning of the year, the LSU game will be our measuring stick. If we can't beat them, we are going to be an average SEC team. And that's exactly what we are. We lost to the "good" SEC teams and beat the bad ones.

 

[DogStuckAtUM.sixpack]

This perfectly sums up my view.

Before the season, I told my dad that if we went 8-4 with a win over Ole Miss, I'd be content. That said, you only get players like Dak once in a blue moon so you better capitalize on it (at least go 9-3).

In hindsight, we wasted Dak's senior season. Losing to Ole Miss for a spot at the Sugar Bowl caps it off. Seeing Stricklin and Bob selling the Belk Bowl with Carrie Underwood and 17ing tacos annoys the hell outta me. You don't have to sell a fanbase on the Sugar Bowl.

 

[DawgatAuburn]

The main point of disagreement for me..

....is we aren't going to be preseason top ten in hoops next year regardless of what we do this year.

 

[Dawgology]

Would you call us average before Dan got here??!

Not to argue with you, but we have been the definition of average in the SEC since Mullen got here. Here's a look at how we ranked compared to the rest of the SEC. overall records

2009- 11th
2010- Tie 5th
2011- Tie 7th
2012- 8th
2013- 10th
2014- Tie 3rd
2015- Tie 7th (with one game left)

That averages out to 7th place in a conference of 14. Pretty average if you ask me. In 2009, I would have taken this all day.

I keep hearing that we are "just average". Before Dan got here we were not average. We were a perineal bottom dweller except for a couple of years here and there. "Just average" is where we should be right now. If we went from bottom dweller to world beaters in two years the NCAA would be camped out (I.e. UM right now). It's a process and we are getting there. If anything we are over achieving right now based on our talent. For ***** sake Dak was a 2 star recruit. It takes time to build a program and tradition that will last. No, I'm not happy with losing to UM but I'm not going to birch about a coach going 8-4 at MSU. Some of us see the long game.

 

[Sandman.sixpack]

Great audio and thanks for sharing. Allyn McKeen was my mom's 1st cousin. Growing up in the fifties and sixties, all I heard was how we'd fired the best football coach in State's history. Since Allyn, I don't think any coach has ever left State with a winning overall record (maybe Darryl Royal....not sure).
Dan is the best coach since Allyn McKeen and as said on this clip, he's taken us to six straight bowl games.

 

[futaba.79]

Brian has got to slow down..............

his delivery is like a machine gun. His point is great but goodness he's hard to follow.

 

[dawgstudent]

Sherrill's record was 67-48-2.

 

[cheewgumm]

I disagree with him. What's our SEC record over the past 5 years?

We win 8 because we have 5 gummies a year. It doesn't matter. I'm not saying fire Dan but don't act like he's working magic.

 

[HD6]

You can't be pissed to the point that you want to fire Mullen. That's not a reasonable conclusion. And if your thought is "Stricklin needs to tell Mullen to change X and Y", you are saying you want Mullen gone.

 

[HD6]

Looking at Mullen's whole tenure, 26-30. The seven previous years it was 11-45.

 

[cheewgumm]

Also you HAVE to be obsessed with Ole Miss. It's like opening a McDonalds. You're most concerned with beating the Burger King across the street. It matters. It's not right to state it's "just another game".

 

[engie]

Fantastic rant by HD6 and 100% correct.

If we were doing exactly the same thing we're doing now, but OM was going 6-6, we would be ECSTATIC.

The Egg does leave a sour taste. Especially in Davis Wade with a Sugar Bowl in the balance. At what point does the line get drawn in the sand about losing that game every year? 2 is hardly freak out worthy given the rest of the season -- but 3? 4? I sure hope we don't have to know...

We do have some issues that need fixing, but I have generally been happy with Mullen's offseason self-examinations and changes. Let's just hope Hev gets the ULM job that his name has been mentioned for and who began interviews today and go from there...

 

[dawgstudent]

In that - we agree. I was listening to it while doing some work so I was catching bits and pieces.

 

[stateskills]

5 gimmies a year?

I disagree with him. What's our SEC record over the past 5 years?

We win 8 because we have 5 gummies a year. It doesn't matter. I'm not saying fire Dan but don't act like he's working magic.

They are only gimmies because Mullen never loses them. Croom lost gimmies. Hell, Sherrill lost to a lot of bad football teams.

When we lose under Mullen it's to good (winning) football teams.

That's what I don't get. You can be pissed about losing to UM all you want (if you choose to be pissed you should aim your venom at Dak because he lost us that game in the first quarter), but being pissed at this level two weeks after a game is ridiculous.

Even more ridiculous is saying we'd be better off if a different coach. That's just nonsense.

 

[dawgstudent]

What job is he interviewing for at ULM?

 

[engie]

They are only gimmies because Mullen never loses them. Croom lost gimmies. Hell, Sherrill lost to a lot of bad football teams.

When we lose under Mullen it's to good (winning) football games.

It's the message board and maybe overall fandom cycle. People longed for what we have in consistency against bad teams under Sherrill and Croom. Now they long for the Sherrill beat anybody or lose to anybody roller coaster ride. Especially watching OM win big games and be that roller coaster every year.

 

[DancingRabbit]

Playing "gimmies" is better than being one of the gimmies.

I disagree with him. What's our SEC record over the past 5 years?

We win 8 because we have 5 gummies a year. It doesn't matter. I'm not saying fire Dan but don't act like he's working magic.

nm

 

[engie]

What job is he interviewing for at ULM?

I'm not 100% on him interviewing -- just that they began interviewing today and his name has been mentioned in the search process.

Head coach...

 

[dawgstudent]

What you are saying is he will be the OL coach at State next year

 

[muddawgs]

I disagree with him. What's our SEC record over the past 5 years?

We win 8 because we have 5 gummies a year. It doesn't matter. I'm not saying fire Dan but don't act like he's working magic.

19-21. But 14 of those losses are to teams that won over 10 games. His worst loss is to a 7-6 team. So while he may not be working magic, he's not shitting the bed either. I don't know why anyone is bitching about going to a bowl game. I guess I still remember the days when we went to 1 bowl out of 9 years. Now that **** sucked. To build a program, it takes consistency. Dan is building consistency. I'll take 8-4 seasons a couple of years if we can have a year like we did last year. And I feel like we are set up to have another great season like last year in 2017. Going to be some really talented juniors and seniors on that team.

 

[johnson86-1]

I disagree with him. What's our SEC record over the past 5 years?

We win 8 because we have 5 gummies a year. It doesn't matter. I'm not saying fire Dan but don't act like he's working magic.

Why do we have five gimmies a year? It seems like there have been times in our past where we didn't have 5 gimmies a year and maybe Mullen had something to do with that?

I get being frustrated, because we **** the bed in several games this year and our most satisfying wins were beating a cluster 17 of an Auburn team on the road and beating Arkansas on the road (who at that point were a good bit better than their record but still not great).

That said, you have to grade Mullen on his body of work. He has done really well putting a system in place and getting the team disciplined and ready to implement it. He has done a good job of recruiting with the glaring exception of Oline (which he has never really done well at) and RB (where he has been lackluster since Ballard, as even Josh Robinson was only good for about 12 games stretched over two years). He has done an amazing job of not having slip ups against weaker competition. He's done a pretty good job against teams with comparable talent (really this year was the first year where he did poorly, and that may be due to oline, as even comparable teams had a huge matchup advantage against our Oline), and has done a poor job against teams with better talent (which may again come back to the Oline recruiting not giving him a chance in a lot of games against good teams).

If we lose the bowl game, we will have a very disturbing patter where we have finished three out of hte last four years in disarray and I will be pissed about that, but even then Dan's entire body of work will be pretty good.

Hopefully we will show up with fire in the bowl game. If we do, it will be a lot easier to chalk up the 2012 and 2014 ending to the DC being checked out (along with Dan shitting the bed on playcalling and Josh Robinson dancing too much in last year's egg bowl). And this year's egg bowl coming down to a lack of an OLine and lack of healthy talent int he defensive backfield.

Doesn't change the results or make them sting any less, but it will be a much less disturbing pattern.

 

[dawgstudent]

I think we are the stage of what I expect our program to be. Every 3-4 years - we have a year where we contend nationally. Outside of that - we are a 7-8 win program.

If your expectations are to do better - it's becoming apparent Mullen is not the guy. For my state of fandom, he is ok with me at this moment.

 

[engie]

What you are saying is he will be the OL coach at State next year

Be the most MSU thing ever if he interviews and they steal Billy G from us instead...

 

[SheltonChoked]

crooked letter, you need to start paying recruits to come to MSU then. If you want Top 10 guys from out of state. That's how you do it. Or so I'm told.

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Lots of unrealistic picks of 11-1 in there with no established OL or RB.

 

[GhostOfJackie]

I keep hearing that we are "just average". Before Dan got here we were not average. We were a perineal bottom dweller except for a couple of years here and there. "Just average" is where we should be right now. If we went from bottom dweller to world beaters in two years the NCAA would be camped out (I.e. UM right now). It's a process and we are getting there. If anything we are over achieving right now based on our talent. For ***** sake Dak was a 2 star recruit. It takes time to build a program and tradition that will last. No, I'm not happy with losing to UM but I'm not going to birch about a coach going 8-4 at MSU. Some of us see the long game.

No, we were well below average with Croom.

 

[Drebin]

8-4 ain't average.

Seriously, where do you people come from? There is a whole helluva lot of grey in sports. I want the team to win every week. I acknowledge the fact that everyone around us is also working their tails off to win every week.

If you're only going to be happy if the team is undefeated, get another 17ing hobby.

Damn. Hadad is right. You people (you know who you are) need a break from the keyboard.

8-4 is most assuredly average these days. Win your four nonconference games adn then go 4-4 in conference - 8-4. We should do at least that every year at this point.

 

[tcdog70]

8-4 most years might be ok. But it is Daks last year. Dan blows the LSU game at the end and looks like Elmer Fudd doing it. The we play like warmed over dog-**** against A&M. But saying that, we have our hated rival at our place where we seldom lose to them and as a bonus we get to go to the Sugar Bowl. You would think our Coaches would have the Dogs ready to just roll over the Rebs like Hitler going through Poland. Hell to the Naw-naw-we play like a week old dog turd. Then we have to sit back and watch as Dan does this ignorant ****. Dan, nobody wants your *** but Us.