Cal Post Game With Leach.

HagginHall1999

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Unfortunately we have quite a few posters who believe UK began with Cal and will end with him.

You have people here that just scour through posts looking for negative Cal comments, just to tell people they aren’t real fans 😂.

You can only defend Cal with 2010-2015 for so long.

I love UK. I think Cal is a good coach. His time will end here soon enough. It won't be this year or next probably. UK needs to think carefully about who they go after. Tommy Lloyd looks promising. Not a lot of guys out there who have proven a ton. Hope we make a smart move.

This board is still full a a bunch of whiny *** bandwagon fans who love this team when it wins and jump ship every time we lose.
 
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bookerfan66

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I love UK. I think Cal is a good coach. His time will end here soon enough. It won't be this year or next probably. UK needs to think carefully about who they go after. Tommy Lloyd looks promising. Not a lot of guys out there who have proven a ton. Hope we make a smart move.

This board is still full a a bunch of whiny *** bandwagon fans who love this team when it wins and jump ship every time we lose.
If you are that sensitive maybe a message board isn't for you.
 

HagginHall1999

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If you are that sensitive maybe a message board isn't for you.

What part of my post shows me as sensitive or soft?

I'm the polar opposite of that. Thick and thin for me with UK. Because I don't give in to bashing our program I'm sensitive? Because I don't flop around on my emotions like Fulkerson I'm sensitive? Ok, no I think I'm just rationale.
 

bookerfan66

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What part of my post shows me as sensitive or soft?

I'm the polar opposite of that. Thick and thin for me with UK. Because I don't give in to bashing our program I'm sensitive? Because I don't flop around on my emotions like Fulkerson I'm sensitive? Ok, no I think I'm just rationale.
Dude you are so upset right now with fans for telling the truth about how bad we were it isn't even funny.Quit acting like you are above everyone.
 

qwesley

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The problem with having to talk after a game is you talk after a game.

I've heard Toppin talk nonsense that hasn't been backed up after the last Tennessee loss. It's useless if you don't show anything.

I've heard Cal mention something about "we're going to get up and down and if we score 80, we'll be good"-he's correct but to score 80, you've got to commit to staying with the fast paced play-this team isn't a Half court team. Not enough ball handlers who can create shots for themselves or shoot well enough to not create spacing issues.

Cal mentioned needing Collins/Hopkins. Well play them. Can't make any impact on the bench. I'd have though today would've been a chance to play with them with Toppin dealing with a broken nose and off a bit today.

To be a championship team, you have to tell the truth. This team has accomplished nothing as a team. Doesn't mean they can't win or won't--but if they keep hearing they are great after losses....why would they not believe it? You can't talk your way into a win over good teams, you have to beat them on the court. Toppin mentioned "back to dominating" after last Tennessee loss. Who the hell have they dominated? I've seen some good wins...but nothing close to the level of play a championship contender does this time of year.

At end of day it comes down to talent. UK is not that individually talented. They have guys coming from losing or solid but not elite programs and Cal is talking them up.....but at some point you are what you are and these guys are in this situation on this stage for first time too. So the entire team is learning in this pressure packed time of year and nobody looks like they are relaxed and loose. They act like it. They talk like it. But their play hasn't matched it.

Good progression in terms of a step, but sick of the talk. It's time to go out and WIN GAMES. Enough from Cal and players. Just shut up, play and win. Accept the truth. You aren't elite. You are capable of being a really good team and this year that can make a deep run, but it's going to take actual consistent play and being locked in on the court to accomplish that, not some BS spewed after dropping another game and talking why you lost and making some proclamation that isn't being backed up in any capacity.
Cal tends to tighten up (rotations, pace, shooters feeling free) which does not bode well for this team because, as you say, they are at their best when they are loose and playing fast. Another key in the tourney will be if the officials allow contact like they did in the SEC tourney. Outside of OT we are not an overly physical team. At his core, Cal likes to physically grind the other teams and that is not this team.
 

ftp000

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Cultists never question their leader. Never say anything other than praise for their leader. Repaet the same things their leader says.

You were probably a guy that used to mock Rick Barnes. Now Barnes punks Cal on the regular. Gotta sting for you so you have to keep making excuses for your poppy/ Suck it up butttercup.
Yawn. Just another Cal hater who's lost all perspective. Blinded by hate, spewing the usual hater talking points. Have you covered them all yet, you unoriginal child? Let's see, you got "underwear hanger" "cultist", the other morons will be so proud.
Be a real man for once in your follower life. Lead for once. Denounce your Fanhood and go away until Cal is gone. Take a stand! You're literally doing nothing now.
 

ftp000

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Cal's rope is a mile long. Bad take. He could give a **** what people on this board think. This board is not the average fan.
The mods have long ago given this place over to haters and trolls. I mostly come here to argue with the mental midgets.
 
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ManitouDan_anon

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I’m still waiting for the team that played Kansas in Lawrence and UT in Lexington. The best two games all year. That’s our ceiling. That’s our potential.
The SEC as a whole this year was very physical. Defense and physicality was a reason for a lot of the SEC’s success. We struggled against the most physical SEC teams. Once UT figured out how to out physical us we were cooked. We couldn’t buy a shot today. When we can’t buy an open 3. When we drive to the basket and it seems like the defense has 8 guys on the floor we struggle. Oscar is amazing. What he’s accomplished all year is amazing but he does get frustrated against taller and longer opponents who challenge him physically. He was frustrated all day as was the rest of the team. That’s something they’ll have to figure out the next couple of weeks. But I also think games like today are reasons guys like Oscar and Wheeler come back next year. A game like the one we had today didn’t exactly help Oscar’s draft stock.

It's more probable all of the following happen:

1. We don't make a Final Four.
2. Sharpe leaves.
3. Oscar leaves.
4. One or both of Hopkins/Collins transfer.

How does respond if the first three things happen?

No Final Four + an Oscar/Sharpe exit to the draft and the seat burns, sparking a statewide forest fire.

That's only because Mitch gave him a LIFETIME contract. So you're right, it doesn't matter what Cal does from here on out, he won't be fired. But if he doesn't at least get this team to a Final 4 with the National Player of the Year, there will be considerable heat on him from the fans and media.

So, will Cal's ENORMOUS ego allow him to stay at UK when he no longer can BS his way out of losing in the post season? Will he continue to hang onto a job when fans and followers of the program no longer look at him in high regard, but as a carpet bagger that has lost his golden touch?

After last season, Cal used up most of his equity from the first 6 seasons. It's been way too long since we got to a Final 4 for a coach that's paid what he is. But, if Cal wants to be stubborn, he can stay here and either fix the problems or end up being HATED by those that love the program.

I have to change things in my philosophy. We slow to a crawl offensively in the postseason. I have to come up with better ways to get my best scorers good shots. Allow them to run and play loose. We allow lesser teams to dictate pace. We are too predictable and easy to prepare for. We don’t force many turnovers. We don’t tighten up the little things like inbound plays offensively or defensively. I have to develop my bench better early in the season. Even with my best teams I haven’t done these things well enough. Until Cal says that, I don’t have much interest in what he says. And he’s not ever gonna say that.

We're trending the wrong way. We looked v like we didn't even care if we won. We came out so lethargic. WTF is wrong with Grady? When we lose in the NCAA tournament it's gonna look like today. This team has little chemistry after it was great in January and Feb. I'm usually optimistic but I'm not at all now.

Cal tends to tighten up (rotations, pace, shooters feeling free) which does not bode well for this team because, as you say, they are at their best when they are loose and playing fast. Another key in the tourney will be if the officials allow contact like they did in the SEC tourney. Outside of OT we are not an overly physical team. At his core, Cal likes to physically grind the other teams and that is not this team.
Several Great post , I'd expect nothing less from the most educated , passionate fans in all the land .

I'll add my 2 cents to the current situation , but its already been said for the most part .

To Trueblue. -- For the love of God please please please no Wheeler next year . PG's who cant shoot have zero .. ZERO place running the Ky Wildcats . A few of us preached it all year .. and boy did some people have fun with it every time Wheeler lit up a So Carolina or Transy or Eastern Rhode Island . But He's not the ticket unless surrounded by a team of total studs where all he has to do is penetrate . So unless a Sharpe comes back ,or we get 5 out of the top 10 players available .. he cant be given the reigns to the team .

Son of Saul .. great points ..I think your list of 4 poor things is likely to happen .. This is not a FF team . Sharpe is gone .. Oscar , when will his tock be higher ? Will Cal's ego allow him to step away while he still has a handful of fans / media that respect what he did here ? 5 years of greatness followed by 5 years of " Meh" and disappointment .

Catben -- solid take . Your last couple sentences is what I trying to convey .

Mash -- exactly dead on comments about the offense . Just laser beam accurate .

Michaeluk-- accurate also , question is .. what happened in JAN / FEB to cause this team to stop growing , stop showing cohesiveness , quit growing etc etc ?? Its a pointed ( SHARPE). question IMO .

Qwes-- exactly , as several as stated , and as the entire damn state knows .. This team MUST play fast , its not a grind it out team . An undersized center , Brooks is a finesse player , Its just not a physical team . And by all means yes , figure out who can contribute and who cant .. He's dicked around with Collins and Hop so much those 2 guys prob have no clue where they stand .. and thats not even mentioning there hatchet job he's done on Allen .

Enough for now . I love the Cats but playing second fiddle to the dreaded orange is beneath us . They will prob lose today , or lose in the sweet 16 , and posters can brag about ole Rick Barnes cant win in the NCAAT -- frankly I dont give a care , if he's beating our *** I care , and I care a bunch
 
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LowCountryCat

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Bandwagon, tons of them on this board. Tons.

You think it is normal to think someone is great, think they suck, think they are great again and suck again all in one season? Nope, not normal. That is a bandwagon fan...and there are lots on this board or they are trolls.
What it means is that this is a very inconsistent team for all the success. And we have been declining the last month or so. People are concerned that this team isn't ready for March, despite that being Cal's signature claim to fame. You attacking people personally for expressing those concerns is like tits on a boar - completely useless.
 

LowCountryCat

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What part of my post shows me as sensitive or soft?

I'm the polar opposite of that. Thick and thin for me with UK. Because I don't give in to bashing our program I'm sensitive? Because I don't flop around on my emotions like Fulkerson I'm sensitive? Ok, no I think I'm just rationale.
Your tendency to start lashing out at people for expressing their frustrations here demonstrates that you are ultrasensitive.
 

HagginHall1999

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What it means is that this is a very inconsistent team for all the success. And we have been declining the last month or so. People are concerned that this team isn't ready for March, despite that being Cal's signature claim to fame. You attacking people personally for expressing those concerns is like tits on a boar - completely useless.

Never attacked anyone personally. I specifically said I'm not calling out names.
 

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Fire his *** for "cause" ... violation of his contract for not making his priority the promotion of the University's Men's Basketball Program. Show me where in his contract his job is to make the program a "Players First Program". "Players First" has proven itself to be a detriment to the Program. He voided anything remotely related to "lifetime contract" ... what a joke.
Thank you! Amen
 
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ftp000

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Your tendency to start lashing out at people for expressing their frustrations here demonstrates that you are ultrasensitive.
Some of us get frustrated with level if stupid shown by a predictable few of you. Showing up in mass over a loss to a top 10 team, during a winning season where we are a projected 2 seed proves what many have said all along. Y'all are just Cal haters, your opinions are clouded and useless. Just white noise.
 
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I keep seeing this over and over and I love how we now settle on getting a 2 seed in the NCAA tournament. It’s been 7 years since we’ve had a 1 seed in the NCAA tournament. I guess he’s lowered those expectations for this program too that we now are satisfied with a 2 seed!

It’s been 13 years since almighty Cal (we’re going to pass UCLA in championships, we’re the gold standard, and we eat first, ) has taken the program over and only have 1 championship to show for all the bullcrap Cal has talked and hasn’t backed none of it up!!!!!
 

TFCat11

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Really Cal? Let me coach any team in the top 15 and I could have them beat the Cats!

Go at OT early on, every possession until foul trouble. Swarm Grady nonstop. Pressure TyTy with double teams. Let Wheeler shoot as often as possible. Make one of the other guys have a career game.

Done.
 

UKat51

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Here we go again.

Did you see the shot selection tonight? Most of those threes were atrociously out of the offensive flow. Terrible looks because the offense broke down.

There's usually a reason a team goes 2/20. It has a lot to do with the other team out-game planning you.
Shot selection sometimes the result of a shot clock violation about to happen. That is the result of Wheeler dribbling the clock down to 14 seconds before the offense starts to move the shots are then taken out of desperation
 
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Ky_Bred_Cat

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Couple of thoughts here:

Cal keeps running the offense as if he had 5 John Wall's out there. That's an exaggeration of course but without 2-3 elite athletes who can break down defenders the team is left scrambling for shots late in the clock possession after possession. This was attempted last year with Boston and Askew for goodness sake.

We have one of the best spot up 3 point shooters in the country left for the most part to create his own shots. For much of the game yesterday, when it mattered the most, the majority of our three point shots were heavily contested. Grady had about half a second to get his shot off so many of them were rushed and off balance. Find a way to get him another half a second and he lights it up.

I hadn't thought about this until reading it in this thread. The Sharpe situation is highly unusual, and I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that his presence and the uncertainty surrounding him could be having a negative affect on team chemistry. The timing of his arrival and the team's apparent downward trend is curious. At the very least it has to be distracting. At most it could be cancerous.
 
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kyjeff1

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how does cal stop 2-20 3 pt shooting?
The wrong players are taking bad shots at the wrong time

Cal gives all these guys the green light to shoot every shot on the court. Any decent coach is going to leave Wheeler and Brooks open in this scenario and that’s exactly what's been happening the last few weeks.

So yes, Cal can do something to fix it.

Here's another thing he can do, tell Grady to play with some effort and stop guarding himself. You don't even know he's out there anymore.
 

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The Kansas game was a fluke. Brooks has never been and will never be the player he was in that game. The UNC and TN game at home were similar in that every shot fell and we got every bounce etc. No one was beating us those games. The real team is what you’re left with minus those games. But several want to think we are that team but we’re not.
Coaches that know Cal well like Barnes spread us out, pull our big from the lane and drive. And Cal has no adjustments other than to scream, substitute, and act like a fool towards the refs.
To put the topping on the cake, he is stubborn, hard headed and will never change. He has a bank full of cash and he is going to do it his way period. A lifetime contract to protect him so he can keep his NBA G-League program going. Its all about the kids, no Cal in Kentucky we need it to be all about the program. Have you noticed I really don't like the guy? If not, I really don't like the guy !
 
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The Kansas game was a fluke. Brooks has never been and will never be the player he was in that game. The UNC and TN game at home were similar in that every shot fell and we got every bounce etc. No one was beating us those games. The real team is what you’re left with minus those games. But several want to think we are that team but we’re not.
Coaches that know Cal well like Barnes spread us out, pull our big from the lane and drive. And Cal has no adjustments other than to scream, substitute, and act like a fool towards the refs.
I get it the good games were all flukes and the bad games were the norm 26 flukes in 1 season I thought a fluke was when something happened that nev...oh forget it
 

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I’ll agree with most. If Sharpe sits on the bench with our guards bricking shot after shot and we loose early, then he turns pro, I’ll be very disappointed in the direction of the program. Not sure how much I can support that.
 
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Looking back, if we knew how our forward play we be so inconsistent and we knew that Grady would be a no show or would not be hitting his shots some games then Sharpe may have been the one player to help off set those two things. We just have too many guys you can't count on from game to game. We can't keep guards from driving it. Our guards are so off and on shooting the ball. Our forwards production is modest most of the time. As good as OT is when we play a team with multiple seven footers he can't carry the whole load. So many games if it wasn't for OT we would have lost. Counting so heavily on one guy at a place like Kentucky should not be. We play so many teams that has one five star maybe, while we have several, and get out played. We go out and get some proven veterans so there isn't a drop off with the young ones and help win in hostile places and they can't help get it done against TN. We come out against TN with the same issue we have had numerous times getting a slow start and digging a hole that still hasn't been fixed. Same lineup and same slow start. We allow wide open three's hardly contested, knowing that is their strength in their guards.

Sorry with the rambling. Thought we had our best team in several years. Maybe they can change the stars and make the top 15 players that can shoot, rebound and always plays with intensity as the six stars to help us identify the best of the best better.
 

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I get it the good games were all flukes and the bad games were the norm 26 flukes in 1 season I thought a fluke was when something happened that nev...oh forget it
Those three games weren’t the norm, how’s that? Is that acceptable? We play TN, or Kansas in a four game series I don’t know if we win one right now.
 

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Not going to bother to read all 6 pages but, I can tell you what the prevailing opinion is of Calipari amongst my circle of longtime UK friends/fans....he's totally full of ****. I mean you literally can't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

We all think his act got old long ago. Some of our group have dropped their season tickets because of his home scheduling and NONE of us bothered to go to the SEC tourney this year. That's the first time that has ever happened.

So, am I and my friends just isolated "haters" or are we simply part of a greater disconnect by UK basketball fans?
 

LowCountryCat

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Some of us get frustrated with level if stupid shown by a predictable few of you. Showing up in mass over a loss to a top 10 team, during a winning season where we are a projected 2 seed proves what many have said all along. Y'all are just Cal haters, your opinions are clouded and useless. Just white noise.
You’re blind, I’ve been here before, during, and after wins and losses. I’m concerned about how we played over the last month, not by the loss. Your brain is so simple that you can’t even discern anything beyond your own specious prejudices.
 

Cawood86_rivals

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You have no clue what you are talking about man and have me totally misread but that isn't surprising. You have a one track agenda it seems.

BTW because you are older than me doesn't mean sh*t. I'm not 13...I've been around a while, long enough to remember tape delays- that is how I started watching UK.

You are full of insults and before you utter anymore nonsense...never said you were a bandwagon/troll, I said this board is full of them.
IN your words congrats.....so what

What agenda is that? ZGo ahead and tell me since you think you know.

I'm full of insults? Amazing since you labeled people bandwagon fans. But you seem a little sensitive about certain things. Zcal has your undyong support regardless. YOu are not alone. Lots of other Cal fans who have started uttering his ridiculous sayings.

They are like cult members. YOu can't seem to understand why fans would be upset with UK losing to UT in the SECT and rant and vent. Fans always do that. But you keep portraying everyone in your narrow view. Seems to be your THING.