Grady needs to run point

LowCountryCat

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1. He's careful with the ball. Wheeler is too reckless and now there's a book on him; he can't get the easy layups he was getting early in the season. Plus, Wheeler is getting direct drives into his face and he can't defend because of his lack of height.
2. Gives him more opportunities to shoot. Against Bama and LSU he got a lot of runners and floaters. He might not get as many threes but he barely got any standing around at Arky.
3. Gives TyTy and Wheeler a chance to move without the ball. TyTy can spell him now and then. Should free Oscar up more as well.
4. Grady has emerged as the leader of the team. He's even doing some coaching alongside Cal during timeouts. He should be running the offense.
 

Louis_Skunt

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He was unable to get to the rim against Arky. He's exposed. And TyTy is too banged up.
You serious? Its his first game back. Did you ever play sports and get hurt? Youre never going to pick up right where you left off first game.
Even Cal said he and TyTy were a bit rusty. He's a great player and causes all sorts of problems for defenses.
 

Tim Higgins

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Grady doesn’t have good enough handles to run point. And the way I see him standing around out there I’m not sure he’d be upping the tempo anytime soon.

We need a healthy Wheeler and TyTy and push the pace because that’s when we’re at our best.
 

LowCountryCat

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Well putting someone at PG that cant get to the rim would be problematic in itself.
Did you even watch the Bama and LSU games? Grady was routinely scoring inside 10 feet.

Right now neither TyTy nor Wheeler can get to the rim.

Besides, who says we need somebody to get to the rim? Isn't Oscar there already? And we were running high-low with Toppin/Oscar all season before all the injuries. You're making a specious argument.
You serious? Its his first game back. Did you ever play sports and get hurt? Youre never going to pick up right where you left off first game.
Even Cal said he and TyTy were a bit rusty. He's a great player and causes all sorts of problems for defenses.
Einstein, we don't have TIME for these two to get back on track before the SECT. We have TWO games left and one is on the road. If we lose another game we're probably looking at a 4 seed.
 
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Grady doesn’t have good enough handles to run point. And the way I see him standing around out there I’m not sure he’d be upping the tempo anytime soon.

We need a healthy Wheeler and TyTy and push the pace because that’s when we’re at our best.
My thoughts as well. As far as Grady goes, he needs to move his butt to get open; he isn't going to be allowed to stand in the corner waiting for someone to get the ball to him while he's open.
 
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Louis_Skunt

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Einstein, we don't have TIME for these two to get back on track before the SECT. We have TWO games left and one is on the road. If we lose another game we're probably looking at a 4 seed.
Einstein? LOL.... you want Grady to run the point and you're calling people Einstein...hahaa

Cats lose another game and theyre still getting a 2 seed. Do you drink?
 

Rupp'sRunt

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I'd rather have TyTy run point. I could literally **** at a situation where were playing Ty Sharpe Grady Toppin and Oscar. That line up would be ridiculously scary for opposing teams. I like wheeler but theres times where he drives when I know he has no chance to score and it takes a defensive mental lapse for him to dish it off. The guys all of 5'8 and idk who told him its okay for him to pull up for 3s and long elbow jumpers off screens bc it isn't.
 

MbergCat

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Did you even watch the Bama and LSU games? Grady was routinely scoring inside 10 feet.

Right now neither TyTy nor Wheeler can get to the rim.

Besides, who says we need somebody to get to the rim? Isn't Oscar there already? And we were running high-low with Toppin/Oscar all season before all the injuries. You're making a specious argument.

Einstein, we don't have TIME for these two to get back on track before the SECT. We have TWO games left and one is on the road. If we lose another game we're probably looking at a 4 seed.
No, we aren't.
 
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BigCat241

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Did you even watch the Bama and LSU games? Grady was routinely scoring inside 10 feet.

Right now neither TyTy nor Wheeler can get to the rim.

Besides, who says we need somebody to get to the rim? Isn't Oscar there already? And we were running high-low with Toppin/Oscar all season before all the injuries. You're making a specious argument.

Einstein, we don't have TIME for these two to get back on track before the SECT. We have TWO games left and one is on the road. If we lose another game we're probably looking at a 4 seed.
Your argument was literally "He was unable to get to the rim against Arky. He's exposed." That really sounds like you dont think he can get to the rim, if not then what else is he "exposed" for?
 
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Wildcats1st

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I like Washington, Mintz, and Grady on the floor together. With Tshiebwe inside, we need shooters to spread the floor.
This and play lance ware with Oscar against bigs who will pull oscar from the lane. Or at least toppin on that big. 3 shooters on the floor or it’s an early out I’m afraid .
 

Bluefaithful

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Did you know there is around 1 million high school basketball teams in the United States. That is girls and boys combined. There is 1 million head coaches right there. Pretty sure there is probably an assistant with that so there is 2 million right there. Just in High School alone there is 2 million more qualified than the OP.
Stick to your day job buddy.
You have no idea what your talking about.
 

bbnkat02

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You want to take our best outside threat and neuter him. Ok. Grady cannot create his own shot. PGs HAVE to be able to do this at times. Wheeler can do it by attacking the rim. Ty can do it wherever the hell he wants usually. Gard, love the man, can’t do that yet.
 
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Bigtyrone

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I like Washington, Mintz, and Grady on the floor together. With Tshiebwe inside, we need shooters to spread the floor.
I like that lineup in the half court, but Wheeler creates a lot of our transition offense which is critical. He's not a perfect PG, but his skill set is valuable and the need teams need him playing and making good decisions.
 
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K_TIME

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I like Washington, Mintz, and Grady on the floor together. With Tshiebwe inside, we need shooters to spread the floor.
I think this is the optimal lineup and the OP is alluding to.

1. We all want Grady to get more shots…but as a spot up shooter if the D chooses to just blanket him and overplay him on ball action….it’s not going to lead to more shots
2. If Cal plays Wheeler 30 plus minutes…..it’s going to come at expense of Mintz and opposing teams are going to give wheeler shots ….that he’ll gladly take those 16 footers And the final box score Wheeler will get up 10 Or more shots while Mintz and Grady might not get five up

The tweak to me is Wheeler minutes
 

catfando

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Grady doesn’t have good enough handles to run point. And the way I see him standing around out there I’m not sure he’d be upping the tempo anytime soon.

We need a healthy Wheeler and TyTy and push the pace because that’s when we’re at our best.
This ^ Wheeler does get too careless at times, but he can get in the lane, collapse the D and kick it out. He and TyTy just need to get healthy.
 
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fastpaste101

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Grady doesn’t have good enough handles to run point. And the way I see him standing around out there I’m not sure he’d be upping the tempo anytime soon.

We need a healthy Wheeler and TyTy and push the pace because that’s when we’re at our best.
And that is where many of gradys threes coming from, transition.
 

qwesley

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I think this is the optimal lineup and the OP is alluding to.

1. We all want Grady to get more shots…but as a spot up shooter if the D chooses to just blanket him and overplay him on ball action….it’s not going to lead to more shots
2. If Cal plays Wheeler 30 plus minutes…..it’s going to come at expense of Mintz and opposing teams are going to give wheeler shots ….that he’ll gladly take those 16 footers And the final box score Wheeler will get up 10 Or more shots while Mintz and Grady might not get five up

The tweak to me is Wheeler minutes
yep, more ball screens up top for Washington and Grady. The y are both really good at making decisions going downhill.
 

Son_Of_Saul

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The lineup we'll all talk about for years following this season will be:

Ty Ty
Grady
Sharpe
Toppin
Oscar

And it will also be the lineup that never sees the court together.
 
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LowCountryCat

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Your argument was literally "He was unable to get to the rim against Arky. He's exposed." That really sounds like you dont think he can get to the rim, if not then what else is he "exposed" for?
He was exposed on defense. Do you not know how to read?
 

BBNinSC_rivals62411

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Sometimes, it's all I can do to shake my head at our fan base. Wheeler is a big part of our success this season.
He puts so much pressure on the defense to get back quickly and the guy never seems to get tired. I do think he has hit the wall at the end of a couple of games, but that's on our coaching staff to get him rest.
We would not be a top 10 team in the country without Sahvir Wheeler.
 

LowCountryCat

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You want to take our best outside threat and neuter him. Ok. Grady cannot create his own shot. PGs HAVE to be able to do this at times. Wheeler can do it by attacking the rim. Ty can do it wherever the hell he wants usually. Gard, love the man, can’t do that yet.
AGAIN, Grady created his own shot several times against Bama AND LSU. How was his outside shot against Arky with Wheeler running point? Please break that down for me.

No, no, you geniuses are SOOOOO right - let's just keep playing the EXACT same way we just lost to Arkansas and see how that works for us in the tournament.
 

LowCountryCat

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Sometimes, it's all I can do to shake my head at our fan base. Wheeler is a big part of our success this season.
He puts so much pressure on the defense to get back quickly and the guy never seems to get tired. I do think he has hit the wall at the end of a couple of games, but that's on our coaching staff to get him rest.
We would not be a top 10 team in the country without Sahvir Wheeler.
Self contradictory post is self contradictory.

Wheeler is starting to show signs of being like Hagans - driving the lane and throwing up desperation shots against the trees and getting swatted.
 

LowCountryCat

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Did you know there is around 1 million high school basketball teams in the United States. That is girls and boys combined. There is 1 million head coaches right there. Pretty sure there is probably an assistant with that so there is 2 million right there. Just in High School alone there is 2 million more qualified than the OP.
Stick to your day job buddy.
You have no idea what your talking about.
"You're."
 

LowCountryCat

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Einstein? LOL.... you want Grady to run the point and you're calling people Einstein...hahaa

Cats lose another game and theyre still getting a 2 seed. Do you drink?
Grady is 2-0 at point this year. We're already on the edge of a 3 seed. Do you smoke weed?
 

Kybluedude

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Grady can get into the lane from the wing off the dribble for his pull up or floater. He just needs to be more aggressive. Easy to raise him up from the corner- dribble handoff and let him drive.
I would move him to the point at times during the games but not full time. You want him running the wings on the break not handling the ball
 

LowCountryCat

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Grady can get into the lane from the wing off the dribble for his pull up or floater. He just needs to be more aggressive. Easy to raise him up from the corner- dribble handoff and let him drive.
I would move him to the point at times during the games but not full time. You want him running the wings on the break not handling the ball
He needs to be 'tweaked' to remind him to move. I suggest giving him the point responsibility for at least part of the game to get him motivated.
 
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1. He's careful with the ball. Wheeler is too reckless and now there's a book on him; he can't get the easy layups he was getting early in the season. Plus, Wheeler is getting direct drives into his face and he can't defend because of his lack of height.
2. Gives him more opportunities to shoot. Against Bama and LSU he got a lot of runners and floaters. He might not get as many threes but he barely got any standing around at Arky.
3. Gives TyTy and Wheeler a chance to move without the ball. TyTy can spell him now and then. Should free Oscar up more as well.
4. Grady has emerged as the leader of the team. He's even doing some coaching alongside Cal during timeouts. He should be running the offense.

Some of y'all don't watch the games or it's over your head.
 
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In lineup combinations with 30 total possessions or more, Grady-Washington-Mintz-Toppin-Oscar, is the highest adjusted margin per 100 possessions.
This just happens to be the lineup I prefer moving forward. When we settle into the half-court offense Wheeler is not a scoring threat, and you can see teams sagging off him to protect the lane and clog up passes to Oscar. We need a point that can move into the lane and make short jumpers. That would be TyTy once he gets back in the groove.
 

KYWildCatsFan

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Besides, who says we need somebody to get to the rim? Isn't Oscar there already?
This is such a bad take.

If you think Grady struggles to get open threes now, wait till we run your offense where we "Don't need anyone else to get to the rim because we have Oscar".
 

BBNinSC_rivals62411

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Self contradictory post is self contradictory.

Wheeler is starting to show signs of being like Hagans - driving the lane and throwing up desperation shots against the trees and getting swatted.
I know you think you're correcting everyone on the internet. I have a feeling you were a hall monitor.
 

Uk2k4

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Disagree. He struggled mightily against the LSU pressure. Although he’s capable of putting it on the deck and getting to the rack, ball handling is definitely not his strength.
 
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