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patdog

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That's some real conspiracy theory going there. Just think of all the things Alabama had to anticipate for that to be true. And all the ways the plan could have gone wrong if everything hadn't fallen into place perfectly (for instance, what if the Arkansas player who recovered the lateral had been tackled or tripped before getting the first down). Wouldn't it have been much easier for Bama to just have the refs call holding on every one of UM's scoring plays in Tuscaloosa?
 
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thekimmer

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Dear bear fans. The play was legal. Get over it....

Indndawg said:
Jacob ‏@OleRebelJacob <small class="time" style="font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 153, 166);"> Nov 7</small>Jackson, MS
I can promise you Alabama had everything to do with those refs not calling that play dead at recovery. #SECofficeinBirmingham
"mark my words, Mullen will be fired after Egg Bowl." "....be lucky to get 5 wins this season".
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This is to the sizable number of them that have taken to the internet trying to de-legitimatize, excuse, or otherwise spin away the loss to arky featuring a play so bizarre and game changing that it just had to be illegal. The pigs were unbelievably lucky. I get that. But the play was legit. I have not read anything from any expert on the record that does not agree that the play was legitimate. The ball was lateraled not fumbled. Many are declaring that the ball should have been dead when it hit the ground. May I remind you that, THE BALL DOES NOT HAVE TO TOUCH THE GROUND TO CONSTITUTE A FUMBLE. For example, if a player is hit and the ball is jarred loose. Nobody would agree that if another player happens to catch it before it hits the ground its not a fumble. So I think we can all agree the ball does not have to touch the ground to be ruled a fumble. So then under this understanding, what are we left with is that the only way the play could be considered a fumble is if any loss of possession of the ball by a ball carrier is considered a fumble and thus any lateral, pitch, or whatever on 4th down would be disallowed which it clearly it is not.

It was a lateral not a fumble. The fact the ball touched the ground is irrelevant. Sorry bears.
 
Rockydawg

Rockydawg

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Every year when I need to be reminded of why I hate that bunch so much, this guy delivers.
 
Indndawg

Indndawg

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This.

thekimmer said:
This is to the sizable number of them that have taken to the internet trying to de-legitimatize, excuse, or otherwise spin away the loss to arky featuring a play so bizarre and game changing that it just had to be illegal. The pigs were unbelievably lucky. I get that. But the play was legit. I have not read anything from any expert on the record that does not agree that the play was legitimate. The ball was lateraled not fumbled. Many are declaring that the ball should have been dead when it hit the ground. May I remind you that, THE BALL DOES NOT HAVE TO TOUCH THE GROUND TO CONSTITUTE A FUMBLE. For example, if a player is hit and the ball is jarred loose. Nobody would agree that if another player happens to catch it before it hits the ground its not a fumble. So I think we can all agree the ball does not have to touch the ground to be ruled a fumble. So then under this understanding, what are we left with is that the only way the play could be considered a fumble is if any loss of possession of the ball by a ball carrier is considered a fumble and thus any lateral, pitch, or whatever on 4th down would be disallowed which it clearly it is not.

It was a lateral not a fumble. The fact the ball touched the ground is irrelevant. Sorry bears.
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Forgive them for they know not what they type or talk about. Ye, they are easily deceived by the Serpent of Delusions and the Dragon of Memories of Yesteryear.
 
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UpTheMiddlex3Punt

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It was a backwards pass, not a fumble. There is no such thing as a lateral in the rule book. Since the ball was thrown, it is by definition not a fumble.

From the rulebook:
Fumble
ARTICLE 1. To fumble the ball is to lose player possession by any act other thanpassing, kicking or successful handing (A.R. 2-19-2-I and A.R. 4-1-3-I). The status ofthe ball is a fumble.

Forward and Backward Pass
ARTICLE 2. a. A pass is forward if the ball first strikes the ground, a player, anofficial or anything else beyond the spot where the ball is released. All other passesare backward passes. When in question a pass thrown in or behind the neutral zone isforward rather than a backward pass.

Caught or Recovered
ARTICLE 2. a. When a backward pass or fumble is caught or recovered by anyinbounds player, the ball continues in play (A.R. 2-23-1-I).
Exceptions:1. Rule 8-3-2-d-5 (Team A fumble on the try).RULE 7 / SNAPPING AND PASSING THE BALL FR-752. On fourth down before a change of team possession, when a TeamA fumble is caught or recovered by a Team A player other than thefumbler, the ball is dead. If the catch or recovery is beyond the spot ofthe fumble, the ball is returned to the spot of the fumble. If the catch orrecovery is behind the spot of the fumble, the ball remains at the spot ofthe catch or recovery.
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The rule they are citing does not apply since it is not a fumble.
 
ckDOG

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Of all the rules to spin, this one takes the cake.

UpTheMiddlex3Punt said:
It was a backwards pass, not a fumble. There is no such thing as a lateral in the rule book. Since the ball was thrown, it is by definition not a fumble.

From the rulebook:


The rule they are citing does not apply since it is not a fumble.
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Not only is this correct and completely obvious in the rule book with a junior high level of reading comprehension, claiming that a backwards pass (or "lateral" as it was called at certain points in time) that hits the ground automatically results in a turnover or is ineligible for advance by the passing (or "lateraling") team goes against 100+ years of American football history. It may actually be the only aspect of American football rules that have never changed. Somebody, please point out when what happened was against the rules. If there are any reasonable Rebels, they need to shut this contingent of their fanbase of because it makes them look like like they've never watched a football game in the past 100 years.
 
BulldogBlitz

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No, I'm almost certain it is illegal and the league office was just trying to help bama.**
 
ckDOG

ckDOG

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Or snapping it.

UpTheMiddlex3Punt said:
Yep. If this were the case, running the option would be illegal on 4th down.
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Snapping is technically a backward pass in the shotgun. If the QB drops it, he can still advance it. If it goes wildly over his head, he can still get it and advance it. This was a fluke. Flukes happen. Sorry, rebs. You can't rewrite the rule book or change a hundred years of precedent because it didn't go your way one night.
 
HD6

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All you need to know is, to my knowledge, the SEC has not issued a statement saying the call was incorrect. Which would be standard procedure with any controversial call.
 
57stratdawg

57stratdawg

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This isn't the first time this has happened.

Here's a 2010 LSU/UF fake FG on 4th down where a ball hits the ground and is advanced. Both plays are legal. This one even had an added review about being a forward/backward pass.

 
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patdog

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ESPN's rules expert says it was a backwards pass and the can't advance a 4th down fumble rule doesn't apply.

Link
 
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MaroonNation

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listening to the despondent post game Hugh Freeze interview today on the radio today I couldn't help but notice how similar he sounded to the audio recording of Jim Jones in Guyana Town as he was rushing his followers to quickly consume their Kool Aid.
 
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Shamoan

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sounds like he is NOT embracing the mayhem:

 
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