So, where are we?

bbnkat02

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Was last night a one off? Or should we be worried?

I’m kind of stuck in the middle. I think it was a one off, BUT I did not like the lack of fight from our guys last night. That play where Wheeler went down and he was slow to get back up was ridiculous. Some are saying that was a hard foul but the replay didn’t show much contact. I think that was Wheeler trying to do way too much again.

Sigh. Man, last night just sucked.
 
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I have some worry. I said in another thread that what I fear takes us out in the tourney is:
- length that Oscar struggles with
- wheeler getting out of control
- poor shot selection

this was last night. TyTy being hurt was bad, but I don’t think we win even with him at 100% last night for these reasons. So, yeah, I’m little concerned. Not sure id cal it a one off. Hope we can get some things fixed. Maybe I’m just being stupid?
 

bbnkat02

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I have some worry. I said in another thread that what I fear takes us out in the tourney is:
- length that Oscar struggles with
- wheeler getting out of control
- poor shot selection

this was last night. TyTy being hurt was bad, but I don’t think we win even with him at 100% last night for these reasons. So, yeah, I’m little concerned. Not sure id cal it a one off. Hope we can get some things fixed. Maybe I’m just being stupid?
See this is kinda where I’m at. I’m very disappointed with our fight and Wheeler last night. Wheeler went way out of control and hurt himself. He’s a better player than that.
 

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It wasn’t quite as bad considering UT played well and UK played poorly. Cats won the 2nd half! LOL.

Talk to me after the next two games. Losses at home to either Bama or LSU will tell me we might be missing something to contend with the other top teams. Can’t let this one linger. And Bama and LSU are good teams. We will know whether this team can make a run a week from now.
 

RoyKent

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I am worried, specifically for Saturday's game. Alabama had a historically terrible shooting night (lowest 3 pt% in a game, taking 10+ threes, in something like 25 years) and we still struggled to beat them.

If they had made even 3-4 more threes they still would have shot an awful percentage and won the game.

There is no chance Bama repeats that shooting display. Plus, with Tyty out or limited and Oscar not being able to do much scoring against their terrible big guy, I see it being a very tough game.
 

HerrosHeroes

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Lets see how the injury front goes the next few days ie Wheeler and Washington then lets see if we beat Bama again in Rupp.

If everything is good at 3 pm on Sat.

Im good.
 

STL_Cat

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The truth is, we just don't know yet. Hindsight will tell us. If we pick right back up and start racking up W's again, win the SEC tourney, and make a deep run in the tournament, we'll look back and say it was a blip on the radar. A one off that meant nothing.

If we go on a bit of a losing skid here and lose early in the tournament we'll look back at last night as the beginning of the end of the great run for us.

The bottom line is we just don't know yet.
 

RalphDaltonFan

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Just want TyTy to be healthy. That said, I don't see this team as media/several others do when he's not full strength. I think they aren't good enough to just assume they'll win if TyTy can't play. Just don't see increasing Mintz's minutes as a positive (know it's necessity, but he is not an elite player, he's a role player). For all the "he's tough talk"-he got torched upon entering the game last night. 8 straight pts right in his face, and he's another play finishing guard, he's horrible when playing to set up others or passing. The main reason Washington is important is that everyone minus Wheeler is a play finisher and not playmaker. That's why they are all in college for 5/6 yrs or still there as 3rd yr guys. Nothing wrong with that, but it's important to have your playmakers/creators on the floor (healthy).

I was in the camp that was hoping TyTy skipped last night and would be back for Alabama the earliest.....now I'm seeing this idea he can wait until Arkansas which to me puts UK in a position that games I'd consider likely W's against Bama/LSU are now up for grabs.

Keion Brooks has no showed 2 straight games. TyTy's ability to be on floor with Wheeler effects Brooks/Grady the most. They stunk last night. Brooks needs to pick it up and instead of accepting the coaching he was arguing with them upon something the staff was not happy with.

Toppin is talking about "needed that L as a wakeup call". Why? I don't believe in needing to lose to learn to appreciate winning nor do I believe they are a team who is this cut above everyone else. This isn't a team full of NBA Lottery guys who can just take the court and "dominate". It's a team who needs to play hard, be full strength and execute the gameplan. If you need to be woken up, then here's a wakeup: the team has 5 L's all in games they had 7 or more mins without a FG. They've played 26 games to this point. That's a lot of games to have these droughts. They need to be healthy, have their most important player on the court and then I can see them making a run, but this talk of the team reminds me of this fallacy about the '20 team when Covid shut things down. Cal's positive spin/outlook is great and understand why he's doing it as he knows what the personality of this group is, but real talk is what is necessary to win in March.

Now the smart *** side of me is also glad that I'll never have to hear about the suicide watch the Tennessee program was apparently on since losing to Kentucky the first time. Ravech. Dykes. Marty Smith. Marty Smith's beard. The ESPN Studio. Rick Barnes. Every Vols player who hadn't slit their wrists. Good god....we get it, they were pissed off about taking an L.
 

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I think Oscar heard footsteps every time he got the ball. Can't have that - he needs to rely on his strength to absorb the contact and not be afraid of it.
Wheeler gets out of control when he feels pressure to make stuff happen - when things are "clicking", we don't see him act that way.
Grady spent more time crying to the refs than trying to get open.

I'm not worried about the future, but last night seemed like a game in early November, not Feb.
 

STL_Cat

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Nothing to worry about in my book. Kentucky clearly is still Top 2 ... certainly ahead of Fraud-burn and those other Wildcats (AZ).

Nobody goes undefeated and losses happen.

See you in New Orleans.
Certainly no one goes undefeated. But teams do go unde-fivelosses. That game wasn't to go undefeated.
 
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Certainly no one goes undefeated. But teams do go unde-fivelosses. That game wasn't to go undefeated.
Good point ... and I guess mine wasn't.

UK is still Top 3 in KenPom and NET ... and it's my belief that UK is vastly superior to all but one other school ... and that it's very close between those 2.

I have zero worries about Arizona, Fraud-burn, or any other top echelon school other than Kentucky. That doesn't mean anything vis a vis "what" could happen in a given game.

But Kentucky is still in GREAT shape ... at least that's my opinion.
 
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Was last night a one off? Or should we be worried?

I’m kind of stuck in the middle. I think it was a one off, BUT I did not like the lack of fight from our guys last night. That play where Wheeler went down and he was slow to get back up was ridiculous. Some are saying that was a hard foul but the replay didn’t show much contact. I think that was Wheeler trying to do way too much again.

Sigh. Man, last night just sucked.
I think we are a really really good team that had an off night. I don’t think we are elite and I can see us losing at Arky and UF which will move us to a low 2 or 3 seed.
Gonna be pretty tough to go to the final four imo.
 
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Always love the overreaction on here. We humiliated them by 28 and put 107 on them so I knew we would get their best shot. They gave us their best and we had no one really play well. The classless hilljack crowd was frothing and Doug Shows was Doug Shows. For a good part of the second half Tn had 1 foul. Oscar got hacked and they were allowed to bump our guards but if we breathed on them or Flunky floppy went down they got a call. One time he screened Wheeler knocked him down and he fell down. If Wheeler can knock you down your in trouble. Another time Wheeler was running with their guard and the whistle blows. But even without the horrible reffing it was their night and we were off.

After thrashing Kansas in the phog this team has earned some faith. It was a bad night, all teams have them. That being said if we see a lack of fight Saturday then I will start to worry, but they have been on a good run and last night was a one off.
 

Cowtown Cat

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What’s worrisome to me is that Oscar struggles against length on the offensive end. Then, on the defensive end he struggles to actually go out in space and guard. When teams iso against Oscar, we need to go to some sort of zone to counter. Cal absolutely refuses to do it. That’s concerning.

Our lack of a true shot blocker is a weakness, and a very big one. I still say we should’ve taken Kofi and I’ll never be convinced otherwise. Would be nice to have that type of player against teams that play multiple bigs. We just don’t have an answer for it IMO.
 

RalphDaltonFan

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I think we are a really really good team that had an off night. I don’t think we are elite and I can see us losing at Arky and UF which will move us to a low 2 or 3 seed.
Gonna be pretty tough to go to the final four imo.
You are also about to play a team this Saturday where your best defensive guard/most important player could easily be held out and they are going to shoot it a lot better from 3 then they did in Tuscaloosa. If you can run Gonzaga off the floor in Seattle, you can beat this UK team in Rupp without their most important player.
 

RalphDaltonFan

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Always love the overreaction on here. We humiliated them by 28 and put 107 on them so I knew we would get their best shot. They gave us their best and we had no one really play well. The classless hilljack crowd was frothing and Doug Shows was Doug Shows. For a good part of the second half Tn had 1 foul. Oscar got hacked and they were allowed to bump our guards but if we breathed on them or Flunky floppy went down they got a call. One time he screened Wheeler knocked him down and he fell down. If Wheeler can knock you down your in trouble. Another time Wheeler was running with their guard and the whistle blows. But even without the horrible reffing it was their night and we were off.

After thrashing Kansas in the phog this team has earned some faith. It was a bad night, all teams have them. That being said if we see a lack of fight Saturday then I will start to worry, but they have been on a good run and last night was a one off.
Don't think it's an overreaction to be concerned about the team without TyTy at 100%. He's got to be healthy to be the team that everyone has a confidence in-I mean Washington dominated the game against Vols in the first meeting. Not just his scoring--but when he's healthy he provides 2 playmakers/creators with Wheeler for a team of play finishers.

As for the assessment of last night-you hit on one thing I'm sick of seeing called and in the NBA they've actually changed the rule to show you aren't alone. When a player is running to cut off the defender's path--so if Wheeler is running behind/beside the ball handler-he can't keep going into your path to try and get in front-it's a displacement. He can't predict where you are going and you are purposely re-directing to get a foul--hell Shows called it and Ziegler was running Wheeler into the sideline--why would that ever be taught or productive for an offensive player with the ball? It's an offensive foul.
 
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Wait and see.

Reasons to not worry:
- every team has a bad game
- Tyty was out most of this one, AND was clearly not himself/100% before he went out
- vs a good (top 20 team)
- on the road, at a place we have always had trouble winning at
- it was a revenge game for them because we embarrassed them so bad in Rupp
- this time of year, it's not bad to get a reality check, a smack in the face, to say "you aren't invincible" "you let up an inch, and you can be knocked off"
- Toppin may be turning a corner

Reasons to worry:
- Oscar, while still getting his reb #'s, has struggled the past couple weeks
- Tyty and his health (to me this is by far the biggest concern)
- Grady the past few games has not worked to get open, and thus has struggled
- maybe Brooks didn't turn the corner, and he just had a couple good games
- Wheeler still plays out of control from time to time, as does Mintz
 

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Wait and see.

Reasons to not worry:
- every team has a bad game
- Tyty was out most of this one, AND was clearly not himself/100% before he went out
- vs a good (top 20 team)
- on the road, at a place we have always had trouble winning at
- it was a revenge game for them because we embarrassed them so bad in Rupp
- this time of year, it's not bad to get a reality check, a smack in the face, to say "you aren't invincible" "you let up an inch, and you can be knocked off"
- Toppin may be turning a corner

Reasons to worry:
- Oscar, while still getting his reb #'s, has struggled the past couple weeks
- Tyty and his health (to me this is by far the biggest concern)
- Grady the past few games has not worked to get open, and thus has struggled
- maybe Brooks didn't turn the corner, and he just had a couple good games
- Wheeler still plays out of control from time to time, as does Mintz
All fair points.
 
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Don't think it's an overreaction to be concerned about the team without TyTy at 100%. He's got to be healthy to be the team that everyone has a confidence in-I mean Washington dominated the game against Vols in the first meeting. Not just his scoring--but when he's healthy he provides 2 playmakers/creators with Wheeler for a team of play finishers.

As for the assessment of last night-you hit on one thing I'm sick of seeing called and in the NBA they've actually changed the rule to show you aren't alone. When a player is running to cut off the defender's path--so if Wheeler is running behind/beside the ball handler-he can't keep going into your path to try and get in front-it's a displacement. He can't predict where you are going and you are purposely re-directing to get a foul--hell Shows called it and Ziegler was running Wheeler into the sideline--why would that ever be taught or productive for an offensive player with the ball? It's an offensive foul.
Yeah I agree with that. I'm assuming we get TyTy back soon. I just meant without him it looked like an off night for the entire team. We have to be healthy to compete at the level that went on the road and thumped KU.
 
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If you can run Gonzaga off the floor in Seattle, you can beat this UK team in Rupp without their most important player.
BAMA's staunch free throw defense (along with their abnormally high percentage from 3) was the difference in their early season win over Gonzaga. Zags missed all 6 front ends of "1 and 1's" among their 13-25 night at the line.

Losses happen (as we both know ... sometimes in the Final Four or National Title game) and nobody goes undefeated. But a single digit loss doesn't qualify as getting "run off the floor" in my book.

FWIW that game came before Few moved Chet "out" a bit ... GU is a different team since that happened.
 

LowCountryCat

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We're banged up and demoralized. We played like we didn't want it last night. UT was quicker and had more energy and drive and fight. Even Oscar was throwing his hands up and hanging his head last night. The whole team was down.

If they turn it around against Arky then we can wipe this away, but until then it's very concerning.
 

bbnkat02

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We're banged up and demoralized. We played like we didn't want it last night. UT was quicker and had more energy and drive and fight. Even Oscar was throwing his hands up and hanging his head last night. The whole team was down.

If they turn it around against Arky then we can wipe this away, but until then it's very concerning.
That’s the part that bother me most. Our guys just said “eff it”. Unacceptable.
 

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I think we are a really really good team that had an off night. I don’t think we are elite and I can see us losing at Arky and UF which will move us to a low 2 or 3 seed.
Gonna be pretty tough to go to the final four imo.
Already down to a 2. We're looking at 3/4 if those losses happen.
 

RalphDaltonFan

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BAMA's staunch free throw defense (along with their abnormally high percentage from 3) was the difference in their early season win over Gonzaga. Zags missed all 6 front ends of "1 and 1's" among their 13-25 night at the line.

Losses happen (as we both know ... sometimes in the Final Four or National Title game) and nobody goes undefeated. But a single digit loss doesn't qualify as getting "run off the floor" in my book.

FWIW that game came before Few moved Chet "out" a bit ... GU is a different team since that happened.
No offense but I don't give 2 ****s about why Gonzaga lost. The point is they got run off the floor against an Alabama team that UK may be facing without their most important player. Did the Zags win the game? How they played, etc...is irrelevant. They lost. It was in Seattle. The only tie I'm making is that Kentucky media/some fans are assuming that Arkansas/UF would be the only tough games remaining-if they don't have Washington until as Kyle Tucker put it "Arkansas" they aren't good enough to just assume Alabama (who if you want to play the This is why they won game--shot about as bad as possible from 3 in the first meeting 2 weeks ago against UK) and LSU are in the W column.

That is reality. If I want to talk about Gonzaga, I'll go wherever it is the Zags talk-which apparently must not be very popular because this site seems to have 2/3 Zags fans who feel they need to jump in anytime Gonzaga is mentioned.
 
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