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So guessing HUD won't be the guy when it's time to replace Dan

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The Fatboy

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"The report says the athletes involved, Hudspeth and recruiting coordinator Reed Stringer had no knowledge of wrongdoing. "

Why not?
 
BoDawg.sixpack

BoDawg.sixpack

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I remember at least one post appealing to the need for some....

recruiting tactics that currently aren't being used at Mississippi State. So, don't close the book on HUD's popularity just yet.
 
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engie

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You have the better part of a decade to research David Saunders and "the process".... It eventually got Powe and others into OM, but it helped us a few times as well..
 
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codeDawg

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The source article in The Advisor devotes a few paragraphs mentioning his time at Ole Miss:

According to his bio in UL’s 2011 Media Guide, Saunders – a former assistant coach at schools including Jacksonville State, Georgia Southern, Nicholls State, Baylor and Ole Miss, and a former head coach at Millsaps College in Mississippi – “established an acclaimed recruiting program” during his first of three employments stints at Ole Miss.


In his last job at Ole Miss, he was an administrative assistant for the Rebels football program in 2010.


According to the UL bio, he was recruiting coordinator at three programs including Arkansas State in 1996-97 and Ole Miss from 1998-2002. He also was an on-campus recruiting coordinator for Tennessee during its 1998 national-championship season, and coached the defensive line at Georgia Southern when it won the 1990 NCAA Division 1-AA national title.
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Now, I'm no NCAA investigator, but it seems like if I had a guy dead-to-rights for academic fraud, I might use some of my leverage to dig and see if maybe the same kind of behavior was happening at another school I had an active, multi-year investigation open with... but that's just me.
 
was21

was21

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I didn't know he was "the guy" anyway. We've come a long way since he was in the mix...hopefully
 
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Mjoelner

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From ULL's response. Read the last sentence.
 
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patdog

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There's a couple of interesting paragraphs in ULL's response to the NCAA. Particularly on page 3.

Link
 
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patdog

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Ruh roh. That can't be good in Oxford. Especially with the new NCAA rule that if someone on staff commits a violation, the head coach is responsible.
 
HD6

HD6

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The problem is that head coach would be either Orgeron or Nutt.
 
KeyserSoze1999

KeyserSoze1999

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Heard they had some shenanigans arranged at the Wayne County High ACT testing site.

Didn't that famous Ole Miss Rhodes Scholar Jerrell Powe make a 31 on his ACT that he took in Waynesboro or Waynes County?

I won't get my hopes up, I mean Laquon Treadwell tweeted out photos of himself at Ole Miss with stacks of cash & a brunette on 1 arm and a blonde on the other and NOTHING HAPPENED.

He might as well have captioned the photo with "My 3 favorite Bs: Booze, Bitches, & Benjamins!! Thanks NCAA for not giving a **** anymore!!!"
 
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patdog

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Ah. I misread it. I thought it referenced violations at UM in 2013. But that was when the interview took place.
 
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msstate7

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patdog said:
Ah. I misread it. I thought it referenced violations at UM in 2013. But that was when the interview took place.
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2 women's sports on probation, tunsil deal, and this sorta resembles lack of institutional control, right?
 
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codeDawg

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While it doesn't implicate Freeze, it does demonstrate a pattern of behavior by the program across leadership, which might be worse for Ole Miss.
 
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Strike.sixpack

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What? ULL is stating they will vacate wins in 2011 along with scholarship reductions, 2 years probation, etc. This is what they are submitting as self imposing to the NCAA. It also talks about how they cooperated and investigated this stuff for over 2 years and actually uncovered things for the NCAA and ACT testing for them. They seemed to have been pretty proactive once they learned of the situation. Even removed Saunders from recruiting the summer before he was fired. He was fired once he refused to cooperate and withheld information about possibly paying of players as well as other requested documents.
 
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RebelBruiser

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How long has he been off pay roll?
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Not sure, but I think he was gone after 2010 at Ole Miss, on to ULL at that point. That was obviously another AD and football coach for us back then, though Saunders apparently spent time on staffs for Cutcliffe, Orgeron, and Nutt. I'm guessing now he won't make it 4 in a row for us, as he's a bit untouchable now.
 
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RebelBruiser said:
Not sure, but I think he was gone after 2010 at Ole Miss, on to ULL at that point. That was obviously another AD and football coach for us back then, though Saunders apparently spent time on staffs for Cutcliffe, Orgeron, and Nutt. I'm guessing now he won't make it 4 in a row for us, as he's a bit untouchable now.
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Was he paid off or was he still recieving payments from Ole Miss?
 
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RebelBruiser

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GloryDawg said:
Was he paid off or was he still recieving payments from Ole Miss?
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He "helped" A LOT of kids in Mississippi, for both of our schools, especially from 2007-09 when he wasn't working for Orgeron or Nutt. I actually praised the guy at the time, because he appeared to be doing work to try to get kids in Mississippi on track to qualify, starting early on, and it was benefiting both of our programs, by enlarging the pool of qualified talent in Mississippi.

As Strike outlined, Saunders actually sued us because Pete Boone wouldn't let Nutt hire him to a full time position in 2011. Boone, you would think, probably had some idea of the kind of "help" Saunders was offering. That's the only explanation for why he would do something like that.

As I've said before, I hate that academics have to stand in the way of kids getting a shot at the NFL, so I actually support the idea behind what Saunders has done.

I also don't think it's abnormal at all. I'm sure most of you remember that there was a time when both of our programs had trouble getting players eligible at times. That RARELY happens anymore. Is it just that we're both only recruiting kids who have better grades now, or is it something else? I'd like to be pollyanna and believe we just filter kids out better, but I doubt that's the case. I'm fairly certain that academic "help" happens at both of our schools and at most schools in the country. Football is too big of a business with too much money on the line for "help" to not exist at most places.
 
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codeDawg

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Oh, wow. So, Saunders cheats to get Powe into school, Boone calls him out on it and won't hire him onto the staff like Nutt wants. Saunders goes to UL, runs the same fraud, and gets busted by the NCAA.

What's interesting is that I doubt the person on the take in the testing center decided to go straight, or to only work with Saunders. It's being suggested that Ole Miss continued to use that same testing center for a few other guys. Would Saunders spill the beans for leniency?
 
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codeDawg

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Not giving a kid a chance to be wildly successful in life with his God given talents because of some academic song and dance they have to go through is great tragedy and just another failure of the ridiculous system we have in place now.

That being said, I'll keep my complaints to myself in exchange for a little schagenkfreud.
 
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Strike.sixpack

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RebelBruiser said:
He "helped" A LOT of kids in Mississippi, for both of our schools, especially from 2007-09 when he wasn't working for Orgeron or Nutt. I actually praised the guy at the time, because he appeared to be doing work to try to get kids in Mississippi on track to qualify, starting early on, and it was benefiting both of our programs, by enlarging the pool of qualified talent in Mississippi.

As Strike outlined, Saunders actually sued us because Pete Boone wouldn't let Nutt hire him to a full time position in 2011. Boone, you would think, probably had some idea of the kind of "help" Saunders was offering. That's the only explanation for why he would do something like that.

As I've said before, I hate that academics have to stand in the way of kids getting a shot at the NFL, so I actually support the idea behind what Saunders has done.

I also don't think it's abnormal at all. I'm sure most of you remember that there was a time when both of our programs had trouble getting players eligible at times. That RARELY happens anymore. Is it just that we're both only recruiting kids who have better grades now, or is it something else? I'd like to be pollyanna and believe we just filter kids out better, but I doubt that's the case. I'm fairly certain that academic "help" happens at both of our schools and at most schools in the country. Football is too big of a business with too much money on the line for "help" to not exist at most places.
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Sorry Bruiser but I disagree completely with that line of thinking. It is not ok to cheat, and mind you they committed significant academic fraud to get these players eligible, by changing answers after the fact. Helping them or even giving some of these guys the special treatment in taken the exam itself is one thing. That's fine, but this is way too far. And your argument about their ability to earn a living in the NFL is weak. 1.6% of college football players will have the opportunity to play in the NFL. Out of that 1.6% only a percentage of them were non-qualifiers or had "help" getting qualified. I have no idea the actual percentage but for arguments sake let's make it a little over a third or .5%. It is pretty outlandish to advocate acedemic fraud for half a percent of all players. And they still have every opportunity to make it to the NFL going through the JUCO route. Don't make a mockery of the testing that 99.9% of all students take seriously. The ability to make it to the NFL spill is disingenuous .
 
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SheltonChoked

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I'm not sure about ACT scores but changing the grading structure to 10-10-10-10. From 5-10-10-10 makes a big difference too.
 
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