It's seems to be getting real...

[FreeDawg]

@Marq_Burnett: Saban says Bo Scarbrough's suspension came from something that happened while he was being recruited in HS. Not related to Alabama though.


Rumor floating around is that Scarbrough told investigators OM paid him to visit and that's why Bama gave him 4 games. This is just rumor but it's circulating.

 

[msstate7]

If Scarbrough was paid to come on an official to OM, who makes the offer and who does the actual transaction?

 

[KeyserSoze1999]

"They could have just given the payments to the kid's Father---then everything is completely Kosher, ya keep the $$$ and the kid can play ball."

-Cecil Newton

 

[57stratdawg]

Is CeCe Jefferson taking questions?

 

[msstate7]

Is CeCe Jefferson taking questions?

If Bo Scarbrough is getting punished for talking, I wouldn't answer anything if I were cece.

 

[Xenomorph]

Who has the photo ole CJ posted of his new Chevrolet truck he received shortly after arriving on campus? Was there a Cannon decal on the back?

 

[randystewart]

Money is in the hotel room in a backpack with other goodies that you can actually get on an official. People around there have been saying for years that OM has $5k in the visit bags and that is how they get all the big time folks from out of state to visit.

 

[ronpolk]

You guys getting excited about this need to remember Cam. This is going to result in a suspension for tunsil and that's about it.

 

[missouridawg]

I am, by no means, predicting that OM is going to get

You guys getting excited about this need to remember Cam. This is going to result in a suspension for tunsil and that's about it.

hammered with sanctions.... but these instances are wildly different.

Cam Newton was one player.

Ole Miss, it appears, has Tunsil and Scarborough tied up in this together. Couple that with the improprities found int he other sports programs, the Chris Jones "interview" from a few years ago, the smoke around CJ Johnson's recruitments, Georgia being pissed about Tunsil still, the questions around CeCe Jefferson's visit, questions about Treadwell, etc.... and you're starting to see how large this thing could actually go.

I also wonder what all can found at the dealership that sprung up right around the time that recruiting class was getting big. Kind of ironic that the Cannon dealership shows up right around the time of OM's recruiting height and it's owned by a former coach there. #Family

 

[Shamoan]

how many times does om get painted in a corner and they 'ole their way out of it?

im not holding my breath.

 

[jb1020]

While I think you're probably right

It might be hard for Freeze and the administration to deny knowing about any of this after taking to twitter 2 years ago and begging people to turn in any info they know to the Ole Miss Compliance office.

I know a lot of those emails were probably garbage, but I also remember Kyle Veazey was denied access to about 30 of those emails (if I remember correctly).

All you hear the OM folks saying is that its a Tunsil amateurism issue and the coaches knew nothing about it, so worst case scenario is Tunsil is ruled ineligible.

It might be time for the NCAA to revisit what was in those emails that Freeze himself requested. Not sure he, or the coaches, can deny not knowing anything after that.

 

[aTotal360]

**Homer alert**...I almost think the best thing for them in the long term is losing this weekend. Then OM can spin the loss as some sort of punishment since they are without arguably their best player and they should be viewed as a martyr because the NCAA "ruined their season". They may earn some sympathy from the NCAA and nudge them out of town.

 

[codeDawg]

The most telling thing to me is that this investigation STARTED with Houston Nutt. It's not been closed and has been ongoing for three years. Why not hand down the minor violations and get on with things if you're not looking to prove a pattern of behavior?

The other thing that stands out is that Ole Miss is stating publicly the amount of distance they are trying to put between the staff and the players involved. That tells me the NCAA hasn't nailed the coaches yet, but are going after them hard. Why would you spend 3 years going after coaches? Again, you're trying to prove a pattern of behavior.

Last thing, I don't believe they have handed down penalties from the initial investigation into the other sports either. So, again, proving a pattern of behavior across the department.

I really don't have a clue if they will be able to do anything, but they are sure has hell trying.

 

[patdog]

I think UM's going to get some kind of probation in their football program. The NCAA doesn't spend this much time at a school and come back with nothing. How significant the penalties will be is anyone's guess.

 

[msstate7]

I think UM's going to get some kind of probation in their football program. The NCAA doesn't spend this much time at a school and come back with nothing. How significant the penalties will be is anyone's guess.

My guess is bowl ban and no tv for 2 years (joke haha)

Anyone remember those days?

 

[thatsbaseball]

That`s when they started "heppin"

 

[Digging dog]

Who has the photo ole CJ posted of his new Chevrolet truck he received shortly after arriving on campus? Was there a Cannon decal on the back?

Hmmmm. Snopes need to be on this. Could be on to something there.

 

[pDigital32Dawg]

Is Mississippi still paying Houston Nutt? He might be waiting to talk once his payments run out

 

[ronpolk]

My guess is bowl ban and no tv for 2 years (joke haha)

Anyone remember those days?

No tv for 2 years now would be the death penalty for a team. I wonder if that did happen, if they would still get to share in the sec network money?

 

[MaroonNation]

The state of Alabama has the SEC in their pocket. OM won't get that same luxury from Stankey that Slime gave Auburn

 

[patdog]

Nutt's not going to say a word to the NCAA. Last thing he wants to do is tarnish his own reputation and pick up a show cause order from the NCAA.

 

[Bulldogg31]

Somebody remind me what happened with Southern Cal and Reggie Bush. Was it booster money or pay for play or what?

 

[muddawgs]

**Homer alert**...I almost think the best thing for them in the long term is losing this weekend. Then OM can spin the loss as some sort of punishment since they are without arguably their best player and they should be viewed as a martyr because the NCAA "ruined their season". They may earn some sympathy from the NCAA and nudge them out of town.[/QUOTE]

They won't get any sympathy if this is true. Coming from one of my Ole Miss buddies, the guy investigating them is new and he's trying to make a name for himself. He said the investigator has set up shop in Oxford looking for anything and everything. He said the coaches don't feel like they will find anything, but he said it won't be from lack of trying.

 

[patdog]

He took money from agents. USC basically let the agents have free access to the athletic dept and players. It wasn't money from boosters, but it was proven that there's no way USC couldn't have known what was going on.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

He took money from agents. USC basically let the agents have free access to the athletic dept and players. It wasn't money from boosters, but it was proven that there's no way USC couldn't have known what was going on.

There was a house involved. I believe Reggie's step dad had a friend who was an exconvict and trying to keep his agent business going made the deal while in school. House and money. They implicated the coach McNair as well in that he allegedly had knowledge of the situation. He is suing or trying to sue the NCAA however to clear his name that he didn't have knowledge.

The other big issue and why they got hit so hard was because they had two other sports programs found with violations including OJ Mayo pay for play deal during this investigation for Bush. Sounds kind of familiar doesn't it. The NCAA is not just investigating the football program but the entire Ole Miss athletic department and have already found violations with an other program. So I don't buy the talking point that in 3 years all the NCAA has is the Tunsil loaner car. That's why USC got hit hard was the NCAA stacked all of their findings of the entire atheletic department not just the football program.

 

[FreeDawg]

I never believe the NCAA is going to do anything until it happens.

What I will say is that I feel comfortable thinking they have an enormous hard on for OM. I'm a big true crime documentary guy and you see it time and time again: when investigators investigate for years on end they grow a hatred for who they are investigating and crave a return on their work. Whoever the NCAA guy or team who has been on this OM deal for 3 years which spans multiple sports and staffs, has to be dying to get something. Somebody wants a headline.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

I agree. And the Ole Miss people are still on this idea that they have only been investigating the big recruiting class for 3 years. Hello it's the atheletic department as a whole. You have Nutt and Freeze years for the football program, you already have known violations with women's basketball, what was going on with track & field, their talking point of nothing in 3 years but a loaner car is factually incorrect. They have multiple violations now with more than one atheletic department. Now what or anything can be tied back to the department or if the NCAA stacks it all together like the USC case remains to be seen.

 

[philduckworth]

Don't worry, the Clarion Ledgers all over it. **

 

[coach66]

So the NCAA has spent 3 years at Ole Miss and I keep hearing the Bears say

things like "three years and they can't find ****". I'm not so sure they haven't found more than those guys want to think about admitting. This may get interesting.

 

[msstate7]

Somebody remind me what happened with Southern Cal and Reggie Bush. Was it booster money or pay for play or what?

http://m.bleacherreport.com/article...gie-bush-infractions-the-cliffs-notes-version

 

[icouldjustpuke]

**Homer alert**...I almost think the best thing for them in the long term is losing this weekend. Then OM can spin the loss as some sort of punishment since they are without arguably their best player and they should be viewed as a martyr because the NCAA "ruined their season". They may earn some sympathy from the NCAA and nudge them out of town.[/QUOTE]

They won't get any sympathy if this is true. Coming from one of my Ole Miss buddies, the guy investigating them is new and he's trying to make a name for himself. He said the investigator has set up shop in Oxford looking for anything and everything. He said the coaches don't feel like they will find anything, but he said it won't be from lack of trying.

Could we perhaps find us a XenaDawg to deal out a little poon to help with this investigation?

 

[codeDawg]

Yeah, I think probation is a given at this point. Now, is it probation with scholarship reductions? Post season ban? Athletic dept changes? None of the above? That will depend on how much evidence they can gather.

 

[MaroonNation]

Boosters provided Reggie Bush's mom with a really nice house in a very good neighborhood while he played for USC. That's what nailed them. It's hard to hide the true owner of a house.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

Well they have already come out with findings about the women's basketball (which they waited for 2 years to receive word about), on 10/14 it is also reported by the CL of the continued investigation of the football program that the university then was saying was just about Nutt, track and field coach resigns suddenly this summer spiking rumors further and then Tunsil incident. So they have already found things about the sports programs. So that narrative they keep trying to bring up is false. Maybe they should say for a three investigation I hope all there is to it is women's basketball. Look at USC as an example.

 

[Drebin]

I have seen it mentioned, but not nearly enough. This three year investigation isn't solely into the football program - it involves multiple sports. It's difficult to predict what comes out of all of this, but it's not a stretch to see institutional control issues there. That's where it gets dicey for Ole Miss.

All of the Rebs saying, "it's just an amateurism issue, he will serve 4 games and it will be over" are just kidding themselves. They've been saying that it was over and the NCAA didn't find anything for more than two years now.

 

[coach66]

I don't see the NCAA spending 3 years to drill a dry hole, we will see*

nm

 

[Strike.sixpack]

It wasn't a booster but an agent.

 

[msstate7]

Unless the investigators get the recruits' treatment. They may never leave**

 

[DerHntr]

Nothing's going to happen except to Tunsil.

 

[FreeDawg]

Is CeCe Jefferson taking questions?

What that kid down the stretch was amazing. He was out of officials but was burning up the road hitting everyone up for visits. I'm pretty sure (it's foggy by now) the days leading up to NSD he unofficially visited Oxford and the Tuscaloosa on the same day. Then he hit Auburn and Florida. I remember flowing his recruitment thinking there was a real chance he collected $100k the last month of his recruitment on visits alone. He played his value better than any other prospect last year.