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cricket3

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Had a weekend away planned with a nice Christmas concert at the Bijou in Knoxville tomorrow night. Dropped the kids off at my dads, which made it a 4 hour trip, watched the game in downtown Knoxville surrounded by UT fans and an ugly sweater pub crawl, and had to make the trek back right after the game because my 2 year old was puking his guts out.

Would not recommend.
 
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He is about to become Blockbuster.
While looking like a tub of buttered popcorn -- fat, cheap, and greasy.

* On the postgame show, Matt said Levis, Wandale, and CRod are doing an autograph signing this week at KSBar with all proceeds going to tornado relief. Can I buy stock in Levis being the Kentucky governor at some point in the next 25 years?

* We got outrebounded by a Notre Dame squad that makes BYU look urban. I guess cornfed honkies are pretty adept at rebounding jumpshot misses and we had approximately one billion missed outside shots last night.

Thank sweet baby Jesus we played Toppin, Collins, and Hopkins a combined 16 minutes while Allen didn't see the floor. [eyeroll]

* No problems at all with the last shot by Washington. He's our only perimeter playmaker and I like the odds of Oscar getting a miss at the basket.

* I'm glad we have a week off before the Ohio State game. I don't think I have the appetite to watch us look bored while beating Directional State by 14 at 9 pm on Tuesday.

* Max Duffy is hysterical on the radio.

* 16 - 18 since inking the lifetime contract.
 
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Kooky Kats_anon

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  • Cals current recruits reflect Cal. Spoiled, over-hyped, coddled and… SOFT. His Memphis dudes, BLEDSOE, MKG. These guys were hard, pipe-hittin dudes who wouldn’t allow straight line drives without a forearm shiver. Baylor’s team last year had thick/smart guard play and bouncy bigs that looked like a Cal team of yesteryear.

  • I’ve said it before, but the UK locker room and Cals office should be cleared of any tribute/reminder/relic of 2012. These recruits were 8 years old when this went down and now reeks of desperation trying to show any path to glory.

  • If not Cal, who? Welp? For $9M, you can pick about any pro coach and double his salary. But honestly, find a guy who’s teams play hard and take a chance because this **** ain’t working. Take Drew from Baylor… Texas has a deep talent pool who know more about Baylor success than a distant night in NO 10 years ago…

  • Tubby will come to town, hang his banner and balls on Cals nose if he pulls off an ‘upset’. It would be glorious, actually.
 

cut_itloosedoubledeuce

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I’ve considered quitting drinking with our 2 year old. When she sleeps less than 8 hours a night and barely an hour nap during the day and routinely wakes up at 4:30-5am, having even a couple drinks just isn’t worth it. Exhaustion sits in before the day even hits 9am.

Edit: watching our bball team makes me want to drink more though.
 

SWFLwildcat06

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* No problems at all with the last shot by Washington. He's our only perimeter playmaker and I like the odds of Oscar getting a miss at the basket.
I would normally take those odds too but it would have helped had the ball actually hit the rim. A very difficult attempt (against two defenders). But guess it’s the best we can do anymore.
 
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k_s_t_a

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A few stats and some math this Sunday morning, even though I know the "take more 3s" argument is well-trod territory:

- 29.1% of our shots come from three, making us 333rd out of 358 teams in the country in 3 point rate. Our 3 point shooting % has dropped down to 30.2, which is below average (269/358). We make 3s at a lower rate than all but 99 teams.

- 38.2% of our shots come from midrange, 16/358 in the country. In other words, only 15 teams take more shots from the midrange than we do. We have hit 41.6% of them, though, which is above-average (74/358). We make midrange 2s at a higher rate than all but 73 teams.

- The median three-point rate out of all 358 teams is 38%. Meaning half of teams take as many (or more) threes as we take midrange twos.

- The median midrange two rate is 26.2%.

- Even with our above-average midrange shooting and below-average three point percentage, we would score more points if we took 1,000 threes vs 1,000 midrange twos (906 vs 832).

- We take about 65 shots a game; at our current rates, that's about 6/19 from three and 10/25 on midrange twos. Reversing that is about 2 ppg better, or about 3 points per 100 possessions.

- If we were to reverse the relative percentage of threes vs midrange twos that we take, which would not be outlandish at all seeing as that would put us at about an average three-point rate and a still higher-than-average midrange rate, and were to continue shooting at the same percentages, this would take us from 20th AdjO (per KenPom) in the country to about 8th.


- lot of assumptions in the above, perhaps the biggest being that we would shoot the same percentage with reversed volumes. Obviously you can't just jack 3s without running at least a semblance of offense. I tend to think we would shoot better from each zone if we played this way, but would hear arguments otherwise.

- I also would wager that we end up with a higher 3P% and lower midrange% than we are at now by the end of the season.
 
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august-west

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A few stats and some math this Sunday morning, even though I know the "take more 3s" argument is well-trod territory:

- 29.1% of our shots come from three, making us 333rd out of 358 teams in the country in 3 point rate. Our 3 point shooting % has dropped down to 30.2, which is below average (269/358). We make 3s at a lower rate than all but 99 teams.

- 38.2% of our shots come from midrange, 16/358 in the country. In other words, only 15 teams take more shots from the midrange than we do. We have hit 41.6% of them, though, which is above-average (74/358). We make midrange 2s at a higher rate than all but 73 teams.

- The median three-point rate out of all 358 teams is 38%. Meaning half of teams take as many (or more) threes as we take midrange twos.

- The median midrange two rate is 26.2%.

- Even with our above-average midrange shooting and below-average three point percentage, we would score more points if we took 1,000 threes vs 1,000 midrange twos (906 vs 832).

- We take about 65 shots a game; at our current rates, that's about 6/19 from three and 10/25 on midrange twos. Reversing that is about 2 ppg better, or about 3 points per 100 possessions.

- If we were to reverse the relative percentage of threes vs midrange twos that we take, which would not be outlandish at all seeing as that would put us at about an average three-point rate and a still higher-than-average midrange rate, and were to continue shooting at the same percentages, this would take us from 20th AdjO (per KenPom) in the country to about 8th.


- lot of assumptions in the above, perhaps the biggest being that we would shoot the same percentage with reversed volumes. Obviously you can't just jack 3s without running at least a semblance of offense. I tend to think we would shoot better from each zone if we played this way, but would hear arguments otherwise.

- I also would wager that we end up with a higher 3P% and lower midrange% than we are at now by the end of the season.
WTF is all that, TLDR. Maybe some cliff notes, huh bub?
 

krazykats

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I enjoyed reading as well, but the issue with our 3 pt percentage isn’t “who is shooting” or “how many 3s we attempt” it’s quite simply the offense design isn’t going to produce those open looks unless we feed the post first and work from there.

It’s elementary to be honest and as the guys get that then our offense will “look” better.

You can hate on Brooks and his midrange all you want but Cal loves that because you can’t double off him, everyone knows they can’t double off Grady so that leaves Wheeler/Mintz/TyTy to double off from.

It’s honestly that simple.

I thought Wheeler was a decent wide open shooter the first few games of the season, but if teams are going to sag 3-4 feet off of him then his penetration is going to be inconsistent at best.
 

k_s_t_a

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Worth noting that it's not a binary choice between midrange and 3s. We shoot 71.6% on close 2s, which is very good (#8 in college basketball), but these only make up 32.8% of our shots.

Not like I'm stating anything revolutionary, but it's not ideal for the plurality of our shots to come from the least efficient area of the court. Yesterday we took 44% of our shots from the midrange. 6 of our 19 three attempts came from Wheeler, Brooks, Toppin, and Hopkins. This is the product of our offensive system.

I would bet that a significant portion of our close 2s come from offensive rebounds, but not sure how to figure this out (we do have the highest offensive rebound rate in the country though). Simply stated, we do not have a way of consistently generating efficient shots from our half-court offense.
 
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We just have a ****** offense. You can write 35 paragraphs about why but our offense sucks. Either it gets revamped or the Cal era ends in very disappointing fashion.
This is pretty much it in a nutshell. But I have zero confidence that Cal’s pride/ego will let this happen. I think his desire to innovate as a basketball coach is completely gone. Never thought it would happen to him, tbh, but here we are.
 

80 Proof

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I'm no basketball, but stagnant offense aside, it seems like our real problem is on the other side of the ball. And has been for years. I'm mystified when I watch even mediocre teams get to the basket at fvcking will on us. With the athletes he brings in I don't understand how our defense is consistently this poor. I wish one of you that knows more about the game than I do could explain this to me (not being sarcastic)
We oversell on clogging the lane, which leads to rushing out to cover the three, which leads to blowing by the ball handler when they put it on the floor and drive.

We play like we don't know the game. Constantly out of position on D, bad shots and awkward passes on O, poor spacing all around... Our constant switching and poor coverage of screens is infuriating, same for lack of designed plays on inbounds and key late game situations.

Not sure what Cal is teaching them, but it's certainly not how to win basketball games at a high level. This reminds me of the last couple of years of Tubby, only we have better athletes that know less about playing the game together.
 

Ron Mehico

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This is pretty much it in a nutshell. But I have zero confidence that Cal’s pride/ego will let this happen. I think his desire to innovate as a basketball coach is completely gone. Never thought it would happen to him, tbh, but here we are.

I dont agree at all. Pride/ego is us searching for some sort of deep soul searching meaning behind basketball. What if the actual answer is he’s just not a great offensive coach? I mean what if he’s just not that good at coaching it. And I have no idea if it’s fixable. It’s not as easy as in football where you just hire an offensive coordinator to change things. It requires a completely different approach, is that even possible? I don’t know honestly.
 
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I dont agree at all. Pride/ego is us searching for some sort of deep soul searching meaning behind basketball. What if the actual answer is he’s just not a great offensive coach? I mean what if he’s just not that good at coaching it. And I have no idea if it’s fixable. It’s not as easy as in football where you just hire an offensive coordinator to change things. It requires a completely different approach, is that even possible? I don’t know honestly.
He’s clearly not a great offensive coach and never has been, imo. I’m sure some will disagree. Even the dribble drive basically amounted to “get by your guy.” What I mean is that his ego won’t allow him to acknowledge that something fundamental has to change. In his defense, I would say that changing what you believe in is hard for most successful coaches. I mean, Nick Saban throwing in the towel and acknowledging that he had to start winning shootouts had to absolutely gut him as a defensive guy. But he did it.
 
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I guess you could say he thinks he poops ice cream.
Long two-point shots are a sign of laziness and complacency. It is the easiest shot to settle for because it requires little effort.

Those shots, to me, are a microcosm of a complacent coach who talks a big game but doesn't really want to do the things necessary to get **** right.
 

Ron Mehico

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But what I’m saying is Saban had an easy fix - hire an offensive coordinator and tell him to run a different offense. Is that even possible in basketball? You only have 5 guys and they play both positions. Is it realistic to expect him to “revamp” the offense. Would that literally require him to become an entirely different person? That’s what I’m questioning, is it even realistic to expect of Cal. Are there examples of basketball coaches completely changing styles after coaching for 30 years? Hell Pitino still runs a damn press.
 

BleedBlueCats21

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We've seen some Cal teams play enjoyable offensive basketball. I don't think he is a complete idiot on that end. But he's been mind f'd into thinking the offense is secondary to everything else. Get as many tall athletes out on court, one or two token shooters, weave the ball around, post up...they'll figure it out!

Even the better offensive teams in recent years looked awful early on until Cal figured something out. He usually does figure something out even if that something is still probably well below the full offensive potential. But dude is stubborn, no doubt. And I'm sick and tired of watching a crap product for large chunks of the season. And that's best case scenario it seems these days.
 
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But what I’m saying is Saban had an easy fix - hire an offensive coordinator and tell him to run a different offense. Is that even possible in basketball? You only have 5 guys and they play both positions. Is it realistic to expect him to “revamp” the offense. Would that literally require him to become an entirely different person? That’s what I’m questioning, is it even realistic to expect of Cal. Are there examples of basketball coaches completely changing styles after coaching for 30 years? Hell Pitino still runs a damn press.
What I am saying is that it absolutely was not an easy fix for Saban - he had to completely change his fundamental approach to football. An approach that won him multiple national titles. It wasn’t just a question of hiring a new guy - he basically gave up on what got him where he is. That’s incredibly radical imo. And something 99% of coaches seem incapable of doing.
 
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My biggest concern thinking about last season, and going into this year was its one thing to build a roster featuring 3 point shooting it’s another to have a system that sets up good 3 point shots in a rhythm.

We do not do that. Like I said last week Cal is running the same tired sets he has since 2009. Vegas, Elbow, high ball screen pick/roll and the patented weave 40 feet from the basket.

He’s probably doing the same drills. You just don’t waive a wand and become an elite 3 point shooting team unless you know how to train & run proper sits to make it a weapon like most teams do in 2021.

I’m going back to check out mode. I’ll of course watch but not finding myself emotionally invested as long as his stubbornness gets in the way.
 
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What I am saying is that it absolutely was not an easy fix for Saban - he had to completely change his fundamental approach to football. An approach that won him multiple national titles. It wasn’t just a question of hiring a new guy - he basically gave up on what got him where he is. That’s incredibly radical imo. And something 99% of coaches seem incapable of doing.
Saban’s mindset never changed though. He thought - and knew - what he needed to do to win championships. And as he saw that changing he adjusted accordingly. But the key part of it is that he was always assessing whether they were doing the right thing. Cal clearly doesn’t do that.
 
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