Mullen mentioned today

[57stratdawg]

Going 2 deep at every position and playing the best 22 on each side of the ball.

Yay!

 

[121Josey]

Going 2 deep at every position and playing the best 22 on each side of the ball.

Yay!

I heard it too! Unfortunately, he said it in the context of getting some younger guys reps. He said that he wanted 22 ready to play. He didn't say anything about splitting reps nor 1A/1B.

But even if he did, I don't understand people's hatred of 1A/1B. People talk like State went 4-8 and Merlin was too hard-headed to take the back-ups out. State missed out on the CFP because the 1A's flopped. Plus, State didn't use the platoon strategy after the 2nd bye week.

When Diaz talks about playing the best 6 LB's, nobody complains. Same goes for DL, WR, and RB. When they hate on 1B, they are saying that there are 2 players out of 22 that they really don't want to see on the field. Peters sux!** Too early?**

 

[dickiedawg]

I'm with you. Our backups getting a lot of snaps last year has turned what would have been a team with no experience into a unit that's ready to reload instead of rebuild.
With the number of starters we lost, we'd normally be expecting a 6-6 type season at best. Does anyone here expect that?

Sure, we could have gotten those snaps without subbing in 11 at a time, and I think Dan has probably learned that. Then again, there may be some situations where he wants to get our whole backup squad a series, and that's OK if he picks his spots. (Probably not in the first half against LSU, if I had to guess.)

 

[esplanade91]

I'm not against the idea, but there were times when we were subbing with little to no context. We'd sub out guys on plays when they were the clear choice in terms of their strengths in that scenario simply because it was predetermined before the play that ____ would roll in after the whistle.

It's also impracticle to think that MSU is the only school in the country that has 44 players capable of starting and winning, especially with how we recruit.

 

[BiscuitEater]

One can only hope ..

Going 2 deep at every position and playing the best 22 on each side of the ball.

We continue what we did last year .. make sure when Dak, Redmon, Chris Jones, Bear, etc graduate/leave .. we have players who have been on the SEC field and ready to step in for the departed.

Think that Diaz will return to subbing out players instead of units.

 

[LandArchDawg]

So it wasn't Collins' idea after all.

 

[00Dawg]

I'll add to that when we'd sub out people that were on fire and didn't appear the least bit tired.
Preston Smith was literally eating Georgia Tech's lunch on almost every play. Subbing him out was the equivalent of Sherrill's use of Norwood versus UK.

 

[maroonmania]

I heard it too! Unfortunately, he said it in the context of getting some younger guys reps. He said that he wanted 22 ready to play. He didn't say anything about splitting reps nor 1A/1B.

But even if he did, I don't understand people's hatred of 1A/1B. People talk like State went 4-8 and Merlin was too hard-headed to take the back-ups out. State missed out on the CFP because the 1A's flopped. Plus, State didn't use the platoon strategy after the 2nd bye week.

When Diaz talks about playing the best 6 LB's, nobody complains. Same goes for DL, WR, and RB. When they hate on 1B, they are saying that there are 2 players out of 22 that they really don't want to see on the field. Peters sux!** Too early?**

Because football isn't hockey. You need your very best players out on the field MOST of the time. Mix and matching substitutions is absolutely necessary to avoid having a fatigued defense at the end of the game but having ALL subs in at the same time is NOT smart and will never be smart unless there is virtually no difference between your 1s and 2s at every position. And we certainly aren't at that stage. DBs don't have to be substituted for much anyway but certainly your DL needs a break especially against the up tempo offenses. Believe me if the wholesale 1A/1B thing was so great then Saban would be doing it who probably has more defensive quality depth than any school in the nation.

 

[fishwater99]

We better not do the 1A and 1B BS this year...

Going 2 deep at every position and playing the best 22 on each side of the ball.

Yay!

It's stupid and will cost us wins this year. We are not that deep and if Mullen thinks that we are then he's and idiot..
There is clearly a difference in our talent level from 1A to 1B in our QB, WR, OL, DL and secondary.
No coach in their right mind subs 11 players at a time throughout a game.

 

[121Josey]

Because football isn't hockey. You need your very best players out on the field MOST of the time. Mix and matching substitutions is absolutely necessary to avoid having a fatigued defense at the end of the game but having ALL subs in at the same time is NOT smart and will never be smart unless there is virtually no difference between your 1s and 2s at every position. And we certainly aren't at that stage. DBs don't have to be substituted for much anyway but certainly your DL needs a break especially against the up tempo offenses. Believe me if the wholesale 1A/1B thing was so great then Saban would be doing it who probably has more defensive quality depth than any school in the nation.

Can you tell me when you saw the defense having "ALL subs in at the same time"? Vanderbilt? UT-Martin? Or were you NOT watching the game "MOST of the time"?

If Saban doesn't do it, then it doesn't work. Got it. Thanks. You had me sold at "football isn't hockey", but you went the EXTRA yard.**

 

[Dawgzilla]

I'm glad we got a lot of guys experience, but I just thought the wholesale substitutions didn't make sense at times. You can mix and match your subs with your starters and still get everyone plenty of rest and experience...and be able to put in all of your starters in the situations where they are needed. Last year's substitution policies did not cost MSU any games, but it caused some sphincters to pucker up unnecessarily.

 

[maroonmania]

Can you tell me when you saw the defense having "ALL subs in at the same time"? Vanderbilt? UT-Martin? Or were you NOT watching the game "MOST of the time"?

If Saban doesn't do it, then it doesn't work. Got it. Thanks. You had me sold at "football isn't hockey", but you went the EXTRA yard.**

I thought the whole premise of 1A/1B was alternating series for the 1A group over to the 1B group and from my recollection we did a lot of that especially in the early part of the year. If its just randomly substituting various positions as needed, well everybody does that and there is no point in even talking about 1A/1B, its just starters and backups.

ETA: didn't say if Saban doesn't do something it won't work, but nobody in the country has more 4 and sometimes 5 stars riding the bench so if anyone is really equipped to use a 1A/1B philosophy defensively with little to no dropoff in ability with the 1Bs it would be Bama under Saban but yet he doesn't choose to do that.

 

[philduckworth]

I have it on good authority that the 1A/1B crap is dead!!

57strat, you took his comments a little out of context. He was mainly talking about the freshmen. If a freshman proves he is in the 2 deep, he will play. If not, he will redshirt.

Anyone with even a small brain, knows that taking out Matt Wells last year for the backup was incredibly dumb.

 

[philduckworth]

Can you tell me when you saw the defense having "ALL subs in at the same time"? Vanderbilt? UT-Martin? Or were you NOT watching the game "MOST of the time"?

If Saban doesn't do it, then it doesn't work. Got it. Thanks. You had me sold at "football isn't hockey", but you went the EXTRA yard.**

We wholesale subbed position groups all year long. For example, we would take out B-Mac, Wells, and B. Brown on the 3rd series and bring in Turtle Holmes, Zach Jackson and Richie Brown.

 

[fishwater99]

We wholesale subbed position groups all year long. For example, we would take out B-Mac, Wells, and B. Brown on the 3rd series and bring in Turtle Holmes, Zach Jackson and Richie Brown.

We shouldn't have done it last year, and we better not try it this year...

 

[NashLA]

Preston Smith was literally eating Georgia Tech's lunch on almost every play.

Really? What was the total number of lunches he ate in one game? What was it, peanut butter and jelly, or ham and cheese? Did he wash it all down with a pint of chocolate milk?

 

[121Josey]

I have it on good authority that the 1A/1B crap is dead!!

Was that authority Robbie Faulk on the Out of BoBounds Show?

 

[paindonthurt_]

rotating groups on defense isn't uncommon

lots of teams rotate new d lines in every other series or every 3rd/4th series
some do it with linebackers
less do it with secondary

There were very few KEY situations last year where we subbed all 11 players.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

^^^not the literally police

 

[thekimmer]

GT students are used to having their lunches eaten.....

I'll add to that when we'd sub out people that were on fire and didn't appear the least bit tired.
Preston Smith was literally eating Georgia Tech's lunch on almost every play. Subbing him out was the equivalent of Sherrill's use of Norwood versus UK.

Comes with the territory growing up geeks and nerds. Unfortunately such folks tend to have good technical skills and they used them to expertly clean our clocks.

 

[Shamoan]

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