Clay Travis on OM investigation...

[57stratdawg]

No flame, just thought it was interesting.

"I think it could turn into a huge mushroom cloud that hangs around that program for several years. Look, Ole Miss and Freeze are catching it from all sides right now. All sides.

They're probably not the only ones doing things in the SEC, but when you have someone talking - it could end very bad. I don't think it's a coincidence that they didn't bring Treadwell, Tunsil, or any of the other big recruits from that class, to Media days."

 

[msstate7]

Bulldog controlled media*

 

[coach66]

Well no flame here either but what they

Did with that recruiting class violated the law of standard deviation. I think they will take some hits, prolly not too bad but the Kings ring needs to be kissed.

 

[121Josey]

but when you have someone publishing nationally syndicated articles - it could end very badly.

I fixed it for him.

 

[tatedog]

Clay Travis is blinded by his white hot hatred for Ole Miss.*

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

And nothing will happen still.

 

[bulldogbaja]

I submit that it already has.
Their current recruiting efforts have to have been affected, both because recruits are nervous and because their usual recruiting techniques have probably been suspended.

 

[kired]

I'm just waiting on the movie that comes out in a few years where they all talk... of course after the NCAA statute of limitations have expired.

 

[cristilmethod]

And nothing will happen still.

THIS. The NCAA was handed what seemed like an open/shut case against Miami by Charles Robinson at Yahoo! and still bungled that into minor penalties. Why does anyone have confidence anything will come from an OM inquiries?

 

[57stratdawg]

Maybe, but Miami averaged over 10 wins a season from about 2000 until 2006. Since then, that's talked to about 7 wins. There are a lot of reasons for that, but that investigation is a big one.

 

[dawgstudent]

rumor is they are about to get a commit from this guy.

http://247sports.com/Player/Chandler-Tuitt-37419

 

[engie]

THIS. The NCAA was handed what seemed like an open/shut case against Miami by Charles Robinson at Yahoo! and still bungled that into minor penalties. Why does anyone have confidence anything will come from an OM inquiries?

9 scholarships over 3 years. 3 years probation(8 years under the Repeat Offenders hammer -- 10 or 11 years under a microscope if you include the period of the investigation). 2 years of self-imposed bowl bans. One of which prevented them from playing in the ACC title game. 2+ years of "investigation" hanging over a program that has floundered to the point of irrelevance.

Yeah -- if people are wanting more than that to come of this -- they are going to be disappointed. Personally, I just want them on probation -- don't care if it actually debilitates them beyond that. Mutually assured destruction only works when both teams are under the same hammer -- and as of today they still have their get out of jail free card, while we have 4 more years under repeat offenders.

 

[aTotal360]

They should be be forced to unban sticks.

 

[cristilmethod]

My bad, everyone. The sanctions for Miami were clearly more severe than I was remembering.

Even with that being the case, I still don't see anything coming against OM. It should be noted, though, that I have been wrong before.

 

[57stratdawg]

You're probably more likely to be right than wrong. Really the 'cloud' did more harm than anything.

 

[dawgstudent]

Until there is a PLOI - there really isn't a cloud for Ole Miss.

 

[engie]

Until there is a PLOI - there really isn't a cloud for Ole Miss.

Was there a cloud with us and Redmond? Pretty sure we never got one of those...at least not publicly...

 

[mount lefroy]

Until there is a PLOI - there really isn't a cloud for Ole Miss.

Anyone that is a state fan knows that just isnt true. Its already established they are investigating. Hell, that IS the punishment along with the headlines.

The other punishment we never get to see. Recruiters telling their prospects wild ******** about what the sanctions will be...right up until its actually known.

 

[aTotal360]

Somewhat, and we created the damn cloud. That's the biggest difference between us and them. They'll collectively and arrogantly turn their noses up at that stuff until it goes away or the hammer drops. Our fans will start 237 threads about it and start cybersleuthing and make it worse amongst themselves. I've said it for years...we are the worst at propagating negative PR for our teams. Technically we would be the best at it, but you get my point.

 

[dawgstudent]

I disagree with you. I'm sure recruiters use it but at the same time, the cloud really hangs when the PLOI is around for 2 years and the NCAA is investigating.

 

[57stratdawg]

For all of the hate Bracky gets, I would imagine this is one of the few positives. I think the speed and cooperation which we complied with the NCAA probably helped mitigate our 'cloud'. I remember hearing Scott on XM when we were in the CWS (which must have been shortly after the Redmond verdict), and he thought the way MSU handled that investigation was his proudest professional moment to date.

 

[Dawgzilla]

Was there a cloud with us and Redmond? Pretty sure we never got one of those...at least not publicly...

No, because MSU self-reported the violation. I don't know how the information came to the attention of the Athletic Office, but once it did MSU fired the coach, disassociated the booster, declared Redmond ineligible, reported the violation and sought reinstatement of Redmond. The NCAA didn't have to send a PLOI, because MSU started the investigation itself... and that is why Redmond is allowed to play for us today and the penalties were so small. If MSU had been "caught" in the Redmond deal, then you can bet Redmond never would have been allowed to play at State.

 

[engie]

No, because MSU self-reported the violation. I don't know how the information came to the attention of the Athletic Office, but once it did MSU fired the coach, disassociated the booster, declared Redmond ineligible, reported the violation and sought reinstatement of Redmond. The NCAA didn't have to send a PLOI, because MSU started the investigation itself... and that is why Redmond is allowed to play for us today and the penalties were so small. If MSU had been "caught" in the Redmond deal, then you can bet Redmond never would have been allowed to play at State.

We did it by the book on Redmond.

If they have to "send a PLOI" because of stuff they found but a school's compliance arm didn't and denied it -- then Lack of Institutional Control is going to be written on that letter and it is going to be a big deal...

 

[mount lefroy]

I disagree with you. I'm sure recruiters use it but at the same time, the cloud really hangs when the PLOI is around for 2 years and the NCAA is investigating.

ill say this. I hope you are right and one is impending. Im just thinking that om will be smart enough to "take their medicine" by assisting the ncaa to get a quick judgement before a drawn out investigation can fester.

Mean time my definition of the "cloud" is the unknown between the day they show up and the day they announce findings/sanctions if there are any.

I see your point, though.

 

[dawgstudent]

It's easily combated in my opinion until a PLOI is official.

 

[bulldogbaja]

Two questions: is a PLOI even still a thing? And how do we know that ole miss has not received one?

 

[Snog]

And nothing will happen still.

I'll bet you a steak dinner at Kathryn's that the least that happens is Tunsil sits 4 games.

 

[sbcmortgageman]

To those of you that think nothing will happen, just watch it unfold. It's not over I promise.

 

[Sandman.sixpack]

I agree w Dawgstudent. No cloud until the PLOI shows up. Then it's a BIG cloud for a long time!
Starting to look like there's very little to the Tunsil thing other than a stepdad who's getting kicked out by the mom and now he's slinging mud with no evidence to back anything up. His cred has already been shot when it was shown that the yellow convertible was not an agent's, but a friend's rental car. Plus he didn't know any names or anything. Nothing to back up any of his stories and accusations. I doubt if anything is gonna come out of it. But if a PLOI hits, it will wreck their recruiting.

 

[msstate7]

I agree w Dawgstudent. No cloud until the PLOI shows up. Then it's a BIG cloud for a long time!
Starting to look like there's very little to the Tunsil thing other than a stepdad who's getting kicked out by the mom and now he's slinging mud with no evidence to back anything up. His cred has already been shot when it was shown that the yellow convertible was not an agent's, but a friend's rental car. Plus he didn't know any names or anything. Nothing to back up any of his stories and accusations. I doubt if anything is gonna come out of it. But if a PLOI hits, it will wreck their recruiting.

Where are you getting all these details?

 

[AlCoDog]

Where was it shown that the car was a friend's rental besides OM posters saying it on message boards? I missed that.

 

[messageboardsuperhero]

I agree w Dawgstudent. No cloud until the PLOI shows up. Then it's a BIG cloud for a long time!
Starting to look like there's very little to the Tunsil thing other than a stepdad who's getting kicked out by the mom and now he's slinging mud with no evidence to back anything up. His cred has already been shot when it was shown that the yellow convertible was not an agent's, but a friend's rental car. Plus he didn't know any names or anything. Nothing to back up any of his stories and accusations. I doubt if anything is gonna come out of it. But if a PLOI hits, it will wreck their recruiting.

How do you know he has nothing to back up his claims? Were you sitting in on the meeting he had with the NCAA?

I have no idea if anything will come of this, but nothing has been proven one way or another.

 

[RebelBruiser]

Where was it shown that the car was a friend's rental besides OM posters saying it on message boards? I missed that.

Tunsil said it in court under oath...and given that he had an actual lawyer that's really good at his job, you can bet he said it because they can produce documentation to prove it.

 

[AlCoDog]

what if his "friend" is an agent? I know Farese wouldn't have let him say it if they weren't rock solid on being able to back it up. I also don't know anything about that trial other than what's been posted on message boards. I guess that answers that.

 

[RebelBruiser]

what if his "friend" is an agent? I know Farese wouldn't have let him say it if they weren't rock solid on being able to back it up. I also don't know anything about that trial other than what's been posted on message boards. I guess that answers that.

Like you said, I doubt Farese would've let him make that statement if the friend was an agent, but yes, that's why it's pretty safe to believe the yellow convertible was the rental car of a friend and not of an agent.

Either way, maybe the August 3 court date will be a bit more enlightening since Miller will actually have representation this time.

 

[dawgstudent]

We don't but until it's public - I don't really think it effects their recruiting.

 

[msstate7]

We don't but until it's public - I don't really think it effects their recruiting.

Not from the recruit's prospective, but it could from the booster's

 

[Dawgzilla]

The identity of the yellow convertible did not damage Miller's credibility. If anything it HELPED Miller's credibility. He told the deputy the night of the incident that Tunsil left with "agents" in a yellow convertible. He was right about the car, he was just probably wrong about the driver of the car being an "agent". Instead, it was an unidentified "friend from South Carolina" who flew into town to accompany Tunsil at dinner with an agent. That doesn't reflect poorly on Miller at all, except that he assumed every guy in his house with Tunsil was an "agent".

Now don't get me wrong, I think Miller is a lowlife who is probably lying about everything, but the yellow convertible doesn't destroy his credibility.

Also should add, the Oxford citizen said that Miller thought the convertible belonged to Tunsil. I don't know where that info came from....maybe he said that in court. If he claimed in court that someone had given the convertible to Tunsil as a gift, then, yeah, his credibility is shot.

 

[Sandman.sixpack]

Msstate7.... Getting these "details" from numerous newspaper reports. CL, Commercial Appeal, etc.
Appears to me that Miller is just a lowlife who's getting kicked out of the house by the mom and started slinging mud with no facts to back anything up. In court he testified he didn't know any agents names, etc and couldn't document anything he'd said.

 

[icouldjustpuke]

I submit that it already has.
Their current recruiting efforts have to have been affected, both because recruits are nervous and because their usual recruiting techniques have probably been suspended.

^^^ this...if nothing else they will be walking on eggshells for a while ^^^