http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...hall-coaches-may-loudest-voice-flag/30046597/
Will the power of the coaches sway the truhdishons crowd?
Will the power of the coaches sway the truhdishons crowd?
CL Editorial: Mullen, Freeze, Kennedy, Howland support flag change
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I wonder if anyone will follow up the flag questions for Freeze with questions about Rebels, Ole Miss, etc...
Why should it matter? The flag didn't keep Mississippi from landing Tunsil, Treadwell, Nkemdiche... ;-) *********
Anyone else think it's kind of funny that UM has a couple of Mississippi natives coaching the big 2 sports who mostly recruit out of state, while we have a couple of guys from not only out of this state but out of this region who mostly recruit in-state.
Exactly. The only 2 possible answers are...
1. No comment
2. Yes, we need a change.
If Mullen, freeze, or any of them said to keep the flag, they'd be labeled a racist
What else are they gonna say. If they said they didn't support the flag change most of the public would basically accuse them of being kitten killing Klan members. They have to at least make it look like they support this fad, otherwise they're hate-filled rednecks that can kiss many recruits goodbye.
Interesting that the flag didn't stop both schools from a top 5 ranking last year. I've never heard a recruit use the flag as an excuse as to why they went elsewhere. Both schools are benefitting from record enrollment. But I understand their stance. They really have no choice but to reply in this way.
However, I'm not really sure what real changes with substance are expected from a flag change to set us apart from where we are now. A change in perception that Mississippi is all backward hicks? See facts above. Maybe a pat on the back from the media that obviously loves us so much to begin with? Maybe the MS Coliseum hosting that Final Four we've all been waiting on? Or Veterans Memorial hosting the Super Bowl?
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It "needs" to be changed? Ok, sure. I suppose we need to get rid of every flag that has ever been designed, because I'm sure if you dig deep enough you'll find that every one flew over some sort of government sanctioned oppression or violence. Might as well throw away the American flag while we're at it. I figure there's many Japanese people who look at it and think of what we did to them back in WWII. Wait, most of them don't let a flag dictate their successes and failures though. The flag "needing" to be changed is about like my "need" to be a millionaire, even though I make enough to pay my bills and have a comfortable life. This isn't about certain people's needs, this is all about something they just want for the sake of showing everybody what they can do. I digress.
I didn't want to get dragged into an argument about everybody becoming suddenly stupid over a friggin' piece of cloth, and I hate that I let myself. Proceed.
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The final straw for Freeze was when of his players had to save the James Meredith statue from an attack by the flag by beating the **** out of a student.*
Veterans Memorial could host a bowl game if competent people ran it. It's a much nicer stadium than the one in Montgomery...
If it's just a piece of cloth, why do people want to fight so hard to change it? See what I did there?
Did your keyboard quit on you or was that the punchline?**
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The argument was made that it was just a piece of cloth, so why change it?
And that's my point, obviously it's more than that to a lot of people.
Mississippi is a state with an image to project. Most state flags do little to enhance the state's image, but they also don't hurt it.
Our state flag hurts our state's image. It's not the only problem this state has, but it's a small one that's easy to rectify. The only reason we don't is because we are Mississippi, and we take pride in being last.
And that's my point, obviously it's more than that to a lot of people.
Mississippi is a state with an image to project. Most state flags do little to enhance the state's image, but they also don't hurt it.
Our state flag hurts our state's image. It's not the only problem this state has, but it's a small one that's easy to rectify. The only reason we don't is because we are Mississippi, and we take pride in being last.
A few years ago when there was to be a vote to either keep or get rid of the Mississippi flag, we were all warned of the terrible things that would happen if we didn't ditch it. Tourists wouldn't come, no black athletes would play for our teams, industry would shut down and we would all starve to death. I'm not going to march or riot to keep the flag, but if it comes to a vote again I will vote to keep it, and I will contact my so called representatives to do the same.
I don't understand why your side is either unwilling or unable to grasp that it's NEVER been an argument of "oh noes it flew over slavery it has to go!!!" If that's all it was about, then practically every flag all over the world would have to come down.
The reason the Confederate flag is inappropriate is because the whole point of secession was slavery (I know Confederate sympathizers have trouble accepting that, but read the official secession notices -- they explicitly list slavery as the reason), and the Confederacy ceased to exist before it got the chance to stand for anything else.
At least it's a symbolic step in the right direction. The state already has a bad image problem and we've done nothing but further validate that to the rest of the country with our stubbornness to take steps to get better.
As someone pointed out a few days ago, if the flag is the main reason even one business doesn't come to MS, then it's time for a change. We are now the lone state with a boycott from the NCAA... Over the flag. National sources are doing countless articles about the flag controversy, and there are many prominent people in MS (and not in MS) who are saying it's time to move on, yet all we can do is call them stupid and tell all those people "they just don't get it."
Like I said before... I have full faith that our state will do its damn hardest to make sure we stay dead last for decades to come... And it's sad.
As someone pointed out a few days ago, if the flag is the main reason even one business doesn't come to MS, then it's time for a change. We are now the lone state with a boycott from the NCAA... Over the flag. National sources are doing countless articles about the flag controversy, and there are many prominent people in MS (and not in MS) who are saying it's time to move on, yet all we can do is call them stupid and tell all those people "they just don't get it."
Like I said before... I have full faith that our state will do its damn hardest to make sure we stay dead last for decades to come... And it's sad.
I know you're being a smart ***, but Point taken. Yes, if you are pro-MS flag, add the rebel flag to part of your professional branding.
It was over STATES' RIGHTS, dammit! Not slavery. Never mind that the "states' right" they were fighting for was the right to own slaves. Of course it was about slavery. It's ridiculous to even try to claim otherwise. But the only real chance the "it's our tradishun" crowd has is to try to deflect the focus off of the real issues.
One of Mississippi's longest standing traditions is that we will cut off our noses to spite our face.
See that's just the thing. It's not going to radically change the economics of the state one way or the other over night. However if you can't accept the perception that it gives to others in regards to our state - then you just don't get that you don't get it.
Exactly. It's just one small step out of many, but why would you not take a step that could help you even just a little bit? The result may not be that dramatic or recognizable, but if you can at least recognize that it takes one more negative off your list, it's a positive step.
It's like declining a penalty because it would only give you a half yard extra. Maybe it's only half a yard, but why would you not take it?
If "the flag is just a piece of cloth" the only part you keyed in on while reading my comment, then you're way out in left field as far as my point is concerned.
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