Yea, that's all fine and good, and I am sure that it lines up with the books, but considering the fact that those cats were castrated as children and dedicated their entire life to being elite warriors, I feel like they ought to be pretty damn deadly in any environment......they have just been a let down. If they ran across the Spartans, they would get their asses handed to them in a hurry.....and the Spartans still have their testicles.
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Yea, that's all fine and good, and I am sure that it lines up with the books, but considering the fact that those cats were castrated as children and dedicated their entire life to being elite warriors, I feel like they ought to be pretty damn deadly in any environment......they have just been a let down. If they ran across the Spartans, they would get their asses handed to them in a hurry.....and the Spartans still have their testicles.
Many in that world were trained their entire lives to be elite warriors. Practically all the men we follow in the series fit that bill to a large extent. Sans Sam Tarly and maesters. Many of them with better/elite equipment. You fight knives and swords with sticks in a combat arena -- you aren't going to win very often. Point being -- the statement about the unsullied as a fighting force doesn't mean much. Unsullied was built specifically to stop Dothraki in an open field. They were not trained in the forms of combat they saw inside the walls of Meereen. What do you think the Dothraks did their whole lives? How about the Westerosi armies? How about the sellsword companies?
The show slaughter didn't make much sense in the arena, just as most of the major plot points this season haven't made much sense -- I grant that. That was handled much differently in the books. But the Unsullied were getting ambushed on the streets and generally ineffective as a police force. That part was correct and expected.
For me, the scene between Stannis and his daughter in the tent was worse that the actual burning. It started off as the the heart warming father/daughter dialogue that has been typical for them lately, but then as soon as Stannis made the comment about sometimes being forced to make hard decisions while hugging her, I was like... dammit Stannis, what are you about to do? Then when the girl looks up at him and says that she wants to help, I about lost it. You just knew what was coming at that point
As far as character swerves go, I didn't think that anyone would ever top our old friend Theon, but just damn... Stannis took things to whole new level on Sunday night.
As far as character swerves go, I didn't think that anyone would ever top our old friend Theon, but just damn... Stannis took things to whole new level on Sunday night.
They're setting Brienne the beauty up to be some sort of hero. That ***** better not kill him after all this ****
If you look at it realistically, after the burning of supplies, they were 17ed. Stannis could not stay where they are and could not go back to the Wall. Either He sacrifice His daughter or they all die. remember-there is magic **** going on.
What you have to realize about Stannis, is that he is famous for being a hard headed person. When he makes up his mind, he never changes it in the books. He held Storm's End when he was totally surrounded. Getting starved out by the surrounding forces. Would not surrender. Why? Because Robert asked him to. The guy that ultimately saved his life was a pirate that snuck in food. And he cut that guys fingers off because he had to pay for his past crime of being a pirate.
Show Stannis has changed his mind over and over again. Davos was sentenced to death, then nevermind. Shireen was supposed to be his heir, nevermind.
But he is not mad. He just believes if he does not become who he is destined to be, everyone will die. He believes by prophesy that he is the only one that can save the realm from the Others. Just like Jaime killing the mad king. He did it to uphold his vows as a knight. He saved everyone in King's Landing, but people like Stannis look down on him for it.
All that being said, that episode was below par in my opinion.
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If it is presented to me either murder your daughter or everyone else on earth dies. Sorry fellas, we are just gonna have to find out if that **** is true, because, while there may be a good chance everyone dies if I don't do it. I know for damn sure my daughter does if I do so, yeah, that's 17'n madness any way you slice it. I would have failed Abraham's test.
I take it you are a supporter of the Lord of Light??**
I get what you are saying. But Melisandre has admitted to "reading the flames incorrectly" in front of Stannis. Even though Stannis is stubborn, any sane person would question burning their offspring at the stake for something that is not 100% guaranteed. This is why I said he is the new mad king.
Also, not sure if Jamie's comparison to Stannis holds up because Shireen was not burning people with wild fire for the fun of it. She was a little girl.
I get what you are saying. But Melisandre has admitted to "reading the flames incorrectly" in front of Stannis. Even though Stannis is stubborn, any sane person would question burning their offspring at the stake for something that is not 100% guaranteed. This is why I said he is the new mad king.
Also, not sure if Jamie's comparison to Stannis holds up because Shireen was not burning people with wild fire for the fun of it. She was a little girl.
Except his lightbringer isn't real according to Aemon. I don't think GRRM would make it as easy as him being AA. I have read some theories though that say lightbringer may not be an actual sword and that it is Davos
I am not a Stannis the Mannis fan at all. I am just trying to explain the situation that Stannis believes he is in and since the show didn't give him other options as to whom he could burn as a sacrifise, it was either Shireen or everyone in westoros and beyond dies.
In the books there are two others in Stannis' camp that he could burn due to their kings blood. That and the entire setup for Stannis is incorrect in the show. In the books he bands together all the mountain clans on his way to Winterfell similarly to how Mance built the wildling army. They are camped in an area surrounded by frozen lakes punched full of thousands of holes to weaken them, just in case Bolton tries to attack across the frozen water, and he has the two captives + one refuge that could be beneficial. Book Stannis has a lot more going for him than Show Stannis, both strategically and morally.
Yep, and let's not act like this was just some random kid out of a litter of dozens. This was the girl that essentially everyone(including her own mother) wanted thrown into a dungeon or killed due to her illness, and Stannis had single-handedly spent years saving her from the mobs simply because she was his daughter. Not to mention that she was like the sweetest kid on the entire show which I guess should have been my sign that her days were numbered...
I don't know, but I'm like you. Start eating bugs, result to cannibalism, whatever... There were at least a few options to exhaust prior to burning your daughter at the stake. If that's not madness, I don't know what is, and I really hope that Davos is the one that ends him
I don't know, but I'm like you. Start eating bugs, result to cannibalism, whatever... There were at least a few options to exhaust prior to burning your daughter at the stake. If that's not madness, I don't know what is, and I really hope that Davos is the one that ends him
Because he had not, at the point of Aemon's thoughts nor death, taken the steps necessary to make it real. AA's sword didn't become Lightbringer until he plunged it into his wife's heart. That blood sacrifice is what made it real. Shireen's sacrifice parallels this.
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