Per Bonner, Oliver Black is gone.
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Also tells you that Howland agrees with most MSU fans. That Ray and his staff stunk up the recruiting trail. There are 3-4 more who should go with him.
I didn't know there was anyone who didn't agree with that, save maybe Rick Ray and even he probably knew deep down what he had.
With Newman playing 32+ minutes, their wont be much of a need. But I imagine Sword and Witherspoon will fill in a few minutes here and there.
Correct. I don't visit that or Gene or Elite any amount worth counting. Just here and four private boards.*********
I thought Black was a decent college prospect, but last year was a complete waste. He needed to redshirt and get some actual coaching, and I don't know of any ambitious coaches out there that would redshirt a sophomore with this kind of roster.
I can't stress how poorly coached our team has been over the last couple of years.
I can't stress how poorly coached our team has been over the last couple of years.
I bet we could look at your Yuku posting and find out if your private boards are there. You bastard.
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Let's be honest. Black was terrible. He was a better option than Fallou but his peak was probably about 8 ppg and a handful of rebounds, if he got 25+ minutes. For all this potential people talk about, Ndoye outscored him on the season. Black outrebounded Ndoye, but still....neither of them should be rotation players in a major conference.
Black wasn't terrible. Get over it. Maybe he never would have been a starter in the Howland system, but he could have given us good minutes off the bench. He would have been an upgrade over Roc Johnson with RR (not sayin Johnson was terrible this year either).
I don't think Black could have scored 25 points in a game if he was able to call his shots. He wasn't good.
This pretty much sums it up. I saw no promise at all in Black or Ndoye. You hear it all the time that you can't teach size and I guess that's true. What else is true is that you can't teach some people with size how to play basketball. You're correct in saying that neither player should be in a major conference rotation. I'll take it one step further and say neither should be on a major conference roster.
Whoa ..
Didn't see this coming. And, I think it is way 'short sighted' to encourage him to go elsewhere. I actually thought that IJ improved dramatically over the course of a tough season. He is the ONLY returning player with a positive assist to turnover ratio (71 to 41).
I understand that his minutes will decrease but someone needs to handle the ball when Newman is out AND Newman won't be around in '16-'17 to run the point. EVERY team needs more than one good PG.
"What" leads you to believe he is leaving?
Didn't see this coming. And, I think it is way 'short sighted' to encourage him to go elsewhere. I actually thought that IJ improved dramatically over the course of a tough season. He is the ONLY returning player with a positive assist to turnover ratio (71 to 41).
I understand that his minutes will decrease but someone needs to handle the ball when Newman is out AND Newman won't be around in '16-'17 to run the point. EVERY team needs more than one good PG.
"What" leads you to believe he is leaving?
I'm just glad we are past arguing how much our ****** roster "improved" game to game.
So, somebody is not terrible when they score 25 pts in a game? Get real. Sword scored 25-27 pts. three times this year. He also shot +70% from the field in those games too. Black was a true freshman and while he wasn't all-SEC caliber, he would have (will have) surpassed Daniels, Thomas, Johnson, Bloodman, Ndoye and in ability when he is finished.
I thought Black had potential, but recall hearing his hands were rocks. As in, he has no touch and flubs the ball too much.
Hope Howland has another surprise for us...really thought Ndoye would be the next on the chopping block.
Hope Howland has another surprise for us...really thought Ndoye would be the next on the chopping block.
His statement was bad, but the point stands that Black and the list of players you just put out there are not awesome at playing basketball.
I would imagine Black earned the boot for more reasons than stats. We have a glut of mediocre players and a few points and rebounds here and there are not differentiators.
Yikes ..
Hope Newman does end up playing a lot of minutes BUT playing the point & guarding point is the most demanding position on the floor. It takes a lot out of a player to go that many hard minutes. Newman is going to need some help.
Love Chicken .. he has 'no fear' driving to the basket BUT he is not a PG and should never be put in that position. He LED the team in TOs.
Witherspoon is a SG and no one knows 'how' he will transition to the college game much less playing a new position .. as a freshman.
Hope Newman does end up playing a lot of minutes BUT playing the point & guarding point is the most demanding position on the floor. It takes a lot out of a player to go that many hard minutes. Newman is going to need some help.
Love Chicken .. he has 'no fear' driving to the basket BUT he is not a PG and should never be put in that position. He LED the team in TOs.
Witherspoon is a SG and no one knows 'how' he will transition to the college game much less playing a new position .. as a freshman.
9 asterisks for four private boards? I thought it was two asterisks per sarcasm. I'm so confused now. Is there a half private MSU board somewhere?
You said he was better than Roc. Roc could score on occasion. I don't think Black could or would.
There are times during a game that you can get by with your lead guard just getting the ball into the half court. Sword can do that and more for a few minutes a game.
And I'm pretty sure that the deal with Newman doesn't include him playing off the ball much. Newman is an elite player and athlete. I look for Howland to use him much like K used Tyus Jones - running the show for 33-34 minutes per game.
He was one of the first players cut from a pretty bad team. I like him and I hope he finds a school to transfer to where he is a good fit. But it's pretty clear Howland didn't think too much of his basketball ability. I'm a little surprised he was one of the first cut, but like our baseball team, few players should be safe from cuts right now.
Well, perhaps "terrible" was a little strong, but averaging 2 pts and 2 boards in nearly 16 min/gm doesn't exactly scream potential either. The guy got to play 20+ minutes during quite a few games last year, yet his top performance of the year was a 6 pt / 7 rebound effort against Vandy.
Put another way, would you rather wait for Howland to try to develop a guy like this or go sign another Top 150 recruit?
Put another way, would you rather wait for Howland to try to develop a guy like this or go sign another Top 150 recruit?
Ain't that the truth? Truth be told, I think that our overall talent level on the roster was so low that it was nearly impossible to ever gauge how good of a coach Ray really was. Don't get me wrong, by year 3, the poor shape of the roster was all on RR. But I did wonder at times what he could do with an actual SEC caliber roster
The same reason hundreds of other college basketball players transfer - playing time.
Do you mean Roc
as a frosh or a senior? Maybe Black should have shot more. He was hitting nearly 50%.
as a frosh or a senior? Maybe Black should have shot more. He was hitting nearly 50%.
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