3-15 in our last 18 games.
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3-16 to finish the season in 2010.
We finished 6 outs from Omaha the following season.
With half the talent as this team returns/gains.
Give it up, bro. Cohen will be the coach for the foreseeable future, as he should be.
We finished 6 outs from Omaha the following season.
With half the talent as this team returns/gains.
Give it up, bro. Cohen will be the coach for the foreseeable future, as he should be.
ok...
Tip my cap to you bro for responding with a fact and not just with an insult as most do. Good point you made there. Well done.
Tip my cap to you bro for responding with a fact and not just with an insult as most do. Good point you made there. Well done.
Hey! Look who's back. I like how your posting activity went:
Wed 5/6 - 7 or 8 post various topics
Thur 5/7 - none
Fri 5/8 - none
Sat 5/9 - none
Sun 5/10 - once about crawfish around Birmingham
Way to run and hide for cover
Wed 5/6 - 7 or 8 post various topics
Thur 5/7 - none
Fri 5/8 - none
Sat 5/9 - none
Sun 5/10 - once about crawfish around Birmingham
Way to run and hide for cover
Is this something you are trying to use AGAINST Cohen?
Mad Dawg, do not stoop to the level of the other idiots who look at 'trends'. It is faulty logic at best.
I hear you but....
The heartburn I have with that is this happened during the climb out from the Polk hole working through Polk's leftovers. This entire roster belongs to Cohen. It is doable for sure but looks to be a hard row from where I sit.
The heartburn I have with that is this happened during the climb out from the Polk hole working through Polk's leftovers. This entire roster belongs to Cohen. It is doable for sure but looks to be a hard row from where I sit.
Only thing I can tell you is to give it time. I have pointed this out before but no one has listened, about Tim Corbin/Dan McDonnell/John Savage - They generally build up to an initial peak, fall back, then build up to a bigger peak that is more sustainable. Savage even fell off again (last year). Obviously the peaks are different, but generally the same types of trends. Trends are useful if you are looking at a prolonged period.
Corbin built up to 2007, then fell down a tad the following 2 years, then has been up since then and stayed. Did not miss a regional though, I will give him that.
McDonnell went 32-29 in 2011 (much easier Big East schedule) between periods of being good.
Savage went to some regionals and supers, then went 27-29 in 2009, before vaulting into the elite. 25-30-1 last year, now up again.
There is just as much evidence, if not more, that says Cohen will rebound and mirror these coaches, than there is that says he will fall into the abyss. His current recruiting, and past track record, also bears this out.
Corbin built up to 2007, then fell down a tad the following 2 years, then has been up since then and stayed. Did not miss a regional though, I will give him that.
McDonnell went 32-29 in 2011 (much easier Big East schedule) between periods of being good.
Savage went to some regionals and supers, then went 27-29 in 2009, before vaulting into the elite. 25-30-1 last year, now up again.
There is just as much evidence, if not more, that says Cohen will rebound and mirror these coaches, than there is that says he will fall into the abyss. His current recruiting, and past track record, also bears this out.
I was under the impression we had one of the highest paid coaching staffs in the SEC. Also, I don't think many other programs have indoor practice facilities for baseball only.
Trends are not faulty logic. Its a trend that you are never wrong and you are a numbers guy. And its a trend that your post frequency is about to spike.
Two months ago I showed how bad we sucked in HR, doubles etc. Well that trend has probably been a Bollinger Band. But I am just guessing, so please confirm.
And you are talking about build ups and peaks. So thats a trend as well.
Two months ago I showed how bad we sucked in HR, doubles etc. Well that trend has probably been a Bollinger Band. But I am just guessing, so please confirm.
And you are talking about build ups and peaks. So thats a trend as well.
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When looking at a 3 year period, yes, it is (such as what Mad Dawg was doing with 2008-2010 and 2013-2015). Especially if you are looking at taking action, such as firing or extending a coach. Trends are meant to help discern over the long term.
Money is not an advantage for MSU, and never will be. That idea is insanely idiotic.
The only advantage MSU has is our vast fanbase, but when they do not come to games, that ceases to be an advantage.
The only advantage MSU has is our vast fanbase, but when they do not come to games, that ceases to be an advantage.
Are you saying it isn't an advantage because we don't spend more on baseball than other programs?
Other SEC teams can spend as much or more than us, at the drop of the hat. They don't do it, because their fan interest is not there, or they just do not care. I guess some do in coaching salaries, no clue how much they make, I do think Cohen is one of the higher paid ones. I think that is going to change going forward, because they need somewhere to put the extra SEC money.
I don't know what the numbers are (engie actually has a link where you can see that), but what we currently spend does not really matter in my opinion. I am sure it's correlated to our attendance and tickets sold. It is not a deciding factor.
I don't know what the numbers are (engie actually has a link where you can see that), but what we currently spend does not really matter in my opinion. I am sure it's correlated to our attendance and tickets sold. It is not a deciding factor.
I only point that out because we seem to have gained absolutely no momentum from nearly winning it all 2 years ago. In fact, we seem to be going backwards. Hopefully, Cohen will straighten it out next year.
You know the Braves "could" spend as much as the Dodgers on payroll, but they don't. Wouldn't you say that gives the Dodgers an advantage?
So it's a disadvantage that they could spend more, even though they don't?
I think that's what I took from that.
I think that's what I took from that.
No, they cannot. If they could, they would. Colleges care far less because money is not being brought in, ie FAN BASE. But colleges have the ability to do it if they wanted to allocate that money. Instead, they invest more in football.
This is all assuming we do spend more money than other schools. According to this list, it is not an incredible discrepancy, especially when you consider that many football coordinators make more.
This is all assuming we do spend more money than other schools. According to this list, it is not an incredible discrepancy, especially when you consider that many football coordinators make more.
I saw that chart earlier. Found this comment interesting:
I didn't realize bat companies paid coaches directly. I wonder how much ADIDAS pays him now.
I didn't realize bat companies paid coaches directly. I wonder how much ADIDAS pays him now.
57Strat I can help with that. Here's an article that predates our Adidas contract. This is why I'm convinced Adidas wrote us a big fat check to be the guinea pigs for the EQT bats. Cohen is even quoted and featured on the Adidas EQT bat marketing materials. He ain't doing that for free.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/06/post_493.html
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/06/post_493.html
Strat watch this. I have bat envy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl6VQnQpBas&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZuJpnkzBIM&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl6VQnQpBas&sns=em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZuJpnkzBIM&sns=em
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Please name them instead of repeating the statement you made previously. I can't think of a single advantage except fan support.
Wow, here let me help. Let's count the number of legit pro players we've put in the league. Then compare that to our inner conference foes. Hell we even have a manager in the league right now who's roots started here. How many SEC network shows like Thunder and Lightning have been produced for any other school? Actually has there been any other baseball documentaries? So publicity is on our side. We're a household name to those that know history. And a fairly household name in Omaha. 9 appearances ranks top 20 all time. A household name in postseason play. We have an administration that cares about the sport and is willing to fork out the dough to keep up facility wise. Let me know when Vandy builds lofts behind their left field wall. An indoor practice facility. How many have that? And hell, ours is 10 years old. A dugout club with gifts designated straight to the program and no other sport. Sure, it isn't 1989 anymore but there are many schools who would love to have the resources we have that are strictly assigned to baseball.
MLB player Per baseball almanac.com:
LSU: 71
Bama: 64
Florida: 60
A&M: 54
Auburn: 47
SC: 47
MSU: 46
Tenn: 46
OM: 40
Missouri: 39
Georgia: 37
Vandy: 31
Kentucky: 30
So, we are tied for 8th with the power that is Tennessee. Also, behind powers like alabama and auburn. Other baseball powers with more mlb players, university of Michigan, university of Illinois, notre Dame, Santa Clara university, Ohio state.
Lsu has an indoor facility, alabama has one under construction (along with a 42 million dollar new stadium), A&M has an indoor facility.
Lsu, OM, A&M, SC, Arkansas, auburn all have new or renovated stadiums.
By the wall, please let me know when we build lofts behind left field.
I don't know when you guys will admit it but facilities are no longer a selling point for us. Fan support is though. You're entirely correct about the dugout club.
Well
no ****, but at some point, oh i don't know...username 25...don't you think maybe you should be less of an idiot?
no ****, but at some point, oh i don't know...username 25...don't you think maybe you should be less of an idiot?
I don't think MLB players is a great judge for college baseball programs. Where do we rank in regional appearances, or post season hosts, or CWS appearances seem like a better barometer of our history.
And okay, so we're one of 3 or 4 schools with a baseball only indoor practice facility? That's still pretty good. Something doesn't have to be unquestionably #1 in the conference for it to count as an asset for the program.
And okay, so we're one of 3 or 4 schools with a baseball only indoor practice facility? That's still pretty good. Something doesn't have to be unquestionably #1 in the conference for it to count as an asset for the program.
I agree our facilities are not the worst in the league but they are not the asset some think. But they will be after our stadium.
I pulled data from the last 20 years, so since 1995. Seems reasonable amount of time. We have 4 CWS appearances and that is good for 4th in the SEC, behind lsu, Florida, USC and tied with Georgia.
We have 15 regional appearances good for 6th in the sec, behind LSU, SC, Florida, Arkansas, bama. This is really close. LSU is only 2 ahead and some are only 1 ahead.
We are one of 4 sec schools to have never been national seed (missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee)
Excluding A&M and missouri, we are one of 2 programs to not win a sec title in the last 20 years (auburn).
We are a good program no doubt. But we don't have all these advantages that some think.
Interesting thing about LSU. They've been to the CWS 15 times and won 6 of them. I hate LSU but damn that's impressive.
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