There is something very, very wrong inside the program .........................
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I just want what's best for State. John is one of our own and that makes it hard, but the program is bigger than one man.
You can't go from 13-0 to 11-27 without something wrong on the inside. Here is my take. No senior leadership. Coaches pulling players and never settling on a lineup. Lousy base running. No 1st base coach to speak of. Roles of pitchers not clearly defined. What the hell happened to Trevor Fitts? He looked like a clown this year with his delivery. He was pretty good last year. They changed him all up, what a disaster. Wes Rea hitting singles all year. Look at what Orvis does for Ole Miss. His batting average is well below Rea's but he has a lot more homers. Reid Humphreys has not developed like we thought he would, and he cannot play left field. Vickerson, Smith, Brown, Robson have no arm to speak of. Holland was very solid at 2b. Shortstop and 3b were a liability all year. What happened to Lovelady? He was great during Collins rehab. Once Collins got healthy, game over. Where has he been? Even if he doesn't catch, why not DH him. Luke Reynolds was a can't miss player from Hinds. He struck out so much with runners in scoring position early that the coaches lost confidence in him. Now he is really our best player but he is hurt. And on and on. The pitching is even worse.
This is all on Cohen and Butch Thompson. Something has to change or this group will poison the great recruits from Desoto Central and Jackson Prep that we are getting next year. We need some beef in our lineup, not punch and Judy hitters like Robson.
This is all on Cohen and Butch Thompson. Something has to change or this group will poison the great recruits from Desoto Central and Jackson Prep that we are getting next year. We need some beef in our lineup, not punch and Judy hitters like Robson.
If I remember correctly, a few players under Cohen when he first arrived had plenty to say about him. We just didn't care to listen because they were Polk's jokes and not Cohen's jokes.
Forrest Moore is probably the only one actually on record. And I've seen enough evidence of what he is capable of with my own two eyes: the first base coaching incidents at the UF super regional in 2011; the multiple incidents/antics with LSU. I understand that Cohen himself wasn't involved in these incidents, but the fact that he allows it to happen or encourages it to happen is concerning. In all their years at State I never once heard anyone accuse McMahon or Polk of being hotheaded, douches, or ******** towards players or opponents (although I'm sure most baseball coaches are capable of filling all 3 roles at some point). At some point all this smoke has to indicate some fire.
"Right now my only focus is winning baseball games at Mississippi State," Cohen said.....
We didn't listen
because majority of new coaches run off players that don't fit their system or don't conform to their ideas. I don't disagree Cohen is a hot head, but a lot of baseball coaches are hot heads. Hell 17ing Mullen is a hot head. You just have to recruit players that don't get their vaginas hurt easily. To me it seems like our team never became a "team." Just a bunch of individuals playing on the same field. You add in losing and you are going to have a bunch ******** in the locker room and bad attitudes. I'm sure Cohen being frustrated and the fans being frustrated aren't helping things. I think Cohen bounces back next year
because majority of new coaches run off players that don't fit their system or don't conform to their ideas. I don't disagree Cohen is a hot head, but a lot of baseball coaches are hot heads. Hell 17ing Mullen is a hot head. You just have to recruit players that don't get their vaginas hurt easily. To me it seems like our team never became a "team." Just a bunch of individuals playing on the same field. You add in losing and you are going to have a bunch ******** in the locker room and bad attitudes. I'm sure Cohen being frustrated and the fans being frustrated aren't helping things. I think Cohen bounces back next year
I'm not necessarily taking the side of the players. We did very easily write off what was being said because of the perception that those early Cohen players were just Polk leftovers with weak fortitude, and who cares what they had to say. I'm sure they had agendas as well and there are two sides to every story. I just get very uncomfortable at the sheer amount of innuendo that has always seemed to followed Cohen. Polk and Skip were rivals on the field and perfect gentlemen to each other off the field.
I agree. Seems to be a lot of busch league BS since Cohen got here, but a lot seems to revolve around Mingione. Mingione comes off as a douche and a hot head. I haven't liked him since he's been here. One hot head per team is usually all a team can take. I'm sure Cohen likes his energy, but I think we can find someone else who has energy and not a douche. And sure as hell a better baserunning coach. I'm never seen a M'Fer run people into outs as much as that douche.
Tate....You're right! Polk was certainly not a "Hothead". To me Polk was to baseball in the SEC, what Bear Bryant was to football.
He transformed our program and ultimately the SEC into a Bigtime deal!
Polk certainly never had a seven year stretch where he was 87-118 in the SEC!
And he tried to warn us about Cohen, who was one of his players.
He transformed our program and ultimately the SEC into a Bigtime deal!
Polk certainly never had a seven year stretch where he was 87-118 in the SEC!
And he tried to warn us about Cohen, who was one of his players.
So Cohen is a douche. The players need to deal with it. They are being well paid to win and not let it interfere with production.
Define "hothead". Polk got tossed out of his fair share of games and some of my favorite memories of Polk are of him giving umps hell with his face turning fifty shades of red.
Whether Polk ever turned that anger on his players I dont.know.