With so much of the current college football landscape about money and eyeballs, why does the SEC keep Mississippi State and Ole Miss around? Seems like the SEC could make a lot more money by kicking us out and adding big endowment/TV market teams like TCU or Louisville before they joined the Big XII and ACC a few years ago. I mean, what actually keeps us tied to this conference? Are we just grandfathered in at this point?
Why does the SEC keep Ole Miss and Mississippi State?
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Is there actually a rule in the conference guidelines that says charter members can't be expelled?
Pfffttt....If there is one thing I've learned about greedy people, the only thing they love more than money is "more money". The SEC would stand to make "a lot" more money with a couple of different members besides the two poor ole Mississippi schools they currently have.
We would literally have to be in danger of losing our status as an FBS (or whatever its called now) school or lose total academic accreditation before the standards for expulsion from the SEC would come up. We cannot be voted out by other schools. I do think the expansion schools can be removed by a unanimous vote of the others.
Because UCF and also TCU do not add a single $$ to the pie. The suggestion that they would just shows that you don't understand what it is that's actually driving expansion...
Because Florida won't allow it. You need a certain number of schools (10 I think it was when the expansion was to 14 from 12) to vote in favor. Florida is a definite no for UCF... and UGA, USC, UF all would likely have each others backs in not voting in the schools in each others states.
eta: and also b/c of what engie says below
2-16 against the SEC
1-5 against the Big 12
3-18 against the ACC
2-9 against the Big 10
0-1 against the PAC 12
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/active/c/central_florida/vs_conf.php
1-5 against the Big 12
3-18 against the ACC
2-9 against the Big 10
0-1 against the PAC 12
http://cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/active/c/central_florida/vs_conf.php
Well sure greedy people want as much money as they can get...my point was no one is kicking out two charter members with plenty of traditional rivalries with other SEC teams just to make a little more. We both had top ten football teams most of the season last year and we were representing the SEC in the title game in Omaha 2 years ago. Point is we're not dragging the league down.
TCU: $1.4 Billion endowment, Dallas Fort Worth population = 6 Million, 3 BCS/New Years 6 game appearances
MSU: $394.9 Million endowment, Entire state of Mississippi population = 2.9 Million, 1 BCS/New Years 6 game appearance
Care to tell me again why TCU doesn't add anything to the pile?
It could be argued that those records would be better had UCF had access to SEC resources and an SEC schedule (more games = more chances to win/ those were all out of conference games).
Harvard has a bigger endowment and Boise State has a better recent football resume. Shall we start the paperwork?
First, we were both in a NY6 bowl last season, so that's 2 not 1.
Second, TCU has an estimated 75,000 living alumni. The DFW area is tuning in to Texas and A&M, not TCU. The SEC wanted into Texas, so they took A&M. TCU wasn't even on the radar.
Endowments are donated to the conference now?
We get $1.30 per TV set in Dallas/Fort Worth today. Add TCU -- we get $1.30. Care to explain to me how they actually add any revenue? Every dollar they could have brought to the conference, aTm already brought to the conference.
1. The endowment doesn't mean a thing for whatever conference TCU or anyone else is in.
2. TCU is a very distant #3 in the Dallas/Ft. Worth market. One of the schools they are far behind is already in the SEC.
3. TCU draws 44K per game. We draw 55K. That should tell you a little about which school brings in more support (revenue) to the conference.
2. TCU is a very distant #3 in the Dallas/Ft. Worth market. One of the schools they are far behind is already in the SEC.
3. TCU draws 44K per game. We draw 55K. That should tell you a little about which school brings in more support (revenue) to the conference.
Not to mention, we can lock up TCU any damn time we please if we really want them. Literally no other major conference has any interest. They should count themselves lucky just to be in the Big XII due to A&M and Missouri's departures. They should write the SEC a very heartfelt thank you note for giving them a few years in the limelight b/c the PAC 12 where OU and UT will eventually end up won't be bringing TCU along.
And if you gave me a couple million dollars, I could probably start up a successful company. But the SEC isn't into startups. Really it isn't about that though. UCF doesn't add any TV sets. A&M and Missouri added a ton. Mississippi doesn't have a ton of TV sets, but we are charter members, add geographic continuity and are a cultural fit.
Mark it down. If/when the SEC adds any new schools, it will be North Carolina and either Virginia or Virginia Tech. But that won't happen until 2027 at the earliest, because that's when the ACC's media rights agreement expires.
That's why Florida State (Florida vote), GaTech (Georgia vote) is no go for SEC membership. We are founding members of SEC so we aren't leaving but I hope like hell you are.
All you have to do is ask the other 12 SEC members if they want to throw MSU and OM out of the conference.
I guarantee you the vote would be 12-0 to keep us in because the other 12 members look at both of us as a W in most every sport when they look at their schedule when it is released. Just ask them.
I guarantee you the vote would be 12-0 to keep us in because the other 12 members look at both of us as a W in most every sport when they look at their schedule when it is released. Just ask them.
You should probably consider other markets besides just the state of Mississippi
Memphis is heavily State and Ole Miss.
Of the 6 million Texans in the Metroplex, I'd be shocked if there's 1 TCU fan for every 40 Texas A&M fans, and if the SEC is interested in the Texas media markets, they already got them by bringing in the Aggies.
Harvard's endowment is the biggest in the nation, but you think the SEC would give a **** about adding them? Honest question, are you incredibly stupid or trolling? You're throwing out pointless numbers like they matter.
Memphis is heavily State and Ole Miss.
Of the 6 million Texans in the Metroplex, I'd be shocked if there's 1 TCU fan for every 40 Texas A&M fans, and if the SEC is interested in the Texas media markets, they already got them by bringing in the Aggies.
Harvard's endowment is the biggest in the nation, but you think the SEC would give a **** about adding them? Honest question, are you incredibly stupid or trolling? You're throwing out pointless numbers like they matter.
There have actually been rumors that Florida is reconsidering their "no FSU" stance, because FSU clogs up so much on their non-conference schedule anyway, and FSU recruits so well that them joining the FSU wouldn't really change recruiting dynamic between the two.
IF the cable situation in America changes to an ala carte system rather than the huge packages we see, conference expansion focus would shift from adding new markets to adding teams with the highest number of fans. Florida State would suddenly be a huge target for the SEC.
IF the cable situation in America changes to an ala carte system rather than the huge packages we see, conference expansion focus would shift from adding new markets to adding teams with the highest number of fans. Florida State would suddenly be a huge target for the SEC.
Yeah but the Orange Bowl was a better bowl than the Peach Bowl. They picked us because we travel better then Ole Miss.****
If you're only using football "money and eyeballs" to keep members around, then why keep Kentucky and Vanderbilt? They are as bad or worse than we are when it comes to football history. Gee, if you think about it, why does the United States keep Mississippi? We're just a poor rural state with little money. Maybe the US should kick us out and bring in Saskatchewan or Alberta. They have much more money than we do.
UNC and/or UVA aren't leaving the ACC for the SEC now, in 2027, or anytime. NCSU and VPI might though, if the SEC wants them.
1) There is nothing in the SEC bylaws that protects a charter member from being expelled. That rumor is false.
2) It would require 11 of the 14 schools to kick out a member. There's just too much history and tradition in this conference for that to ever happen, unless a school did something especially egregious. I can't even imagine what it would take. The SEC schools are not about to give up all that history just for a few more dollars, especially when they are already rolling in cash.
2) It would require 11 of the 14 schools to kick out a member. There's just too much history and tradition in this conference for that to ever happen, unless a school did something especially egregious. I can't even imagine what it would take. The SEC schools are not about to give up all that history just for a few more dollars, especially when they are already rolling in cash.
That's why I said when/IF the SEC expands. I don't think NCSU brings enough to the conference for the SEC to bother. And I wouldn't be so sure that UNC and/or UVA would never leave the ACC. UNC desperately wants to be a football school too. They'll probably never be one in the ACC, but they could in the SEC. 2027 is a long time from now. A lot could happen.
You can count MSU and UM among the "no" votes on expelling either one of us, so it would take 11 of the 12 other schools to kick either one or both out. Never going to happen.
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