Perspective- there isnt enough of it in this world
...or at least there isn't enough of it in college sports fandom.
...or at least there isn't enough of it in college sports fandom.
LOCKED - So Mullen discards his players
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I always get a kick out of when someone post something that has some type of controversy but it's ok to call us SPED. Isn't that disrespectful to those that have special needs?
Arlo - I thought you were the champion for this type of cause?
Arlo - I thought you were the champion for this type of cause?
I have to disagree with your position. It is damn near impossible these days
for an MSU person to have a civil experience on Nafoom no matter what the subject matter. The board is controlled by chronic smart asses that want to get high fives from the other chronic smart asses for putting down a Dawg. I agree things here have become less civil and that is unfortunate but as others have pointed out, if you don't act like a dickhead here you probably won't be mistreated just for the sport of it.
for an MSU person to have a civil experience on Nafoom no matter what the subject matter. The board is controlled by chronic smart asses that want to get high fives from the other chronic smart asses for putting down a Dawg. I agree things here have become less civil and that is unfortunate but as others have pointed out, if you don't act like a dickhead here you probably won't be mistreated just for the sport of it.
I'm pretty sure I've never used that term, although I don't go around policing it (I explained this here http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/showthread.php?127348-Enjoy-our-new-website-SixDakSpeak-com**).
Frankly, it has more to do with the fact that I generally don't lump y'all in with the ED crazies and I don't care for silly nicknames, moreso than the insensitive nature of the term (although I do see your point). While we're policing terms, I assume "f*g" is still an acceptable term here, except when an OM player is accused of using it?
Let's just look at hypothetical evidence and leave the smoking gun on the table (because I don't feel like getting into that on a public message board). Here is the timeline:
-Matt Wyatt tells the infamous "fear for your soul" story on air on Head to Head and voices his displeasure for that incident. He framed it somewhat open-ended saying he had "heard" it. Never stated it as unequivocal fact. Ask yourself this: Would Matt Wyatt who has a statewide radio show and is on the official MSU radio broadcast tell a "smear story" out of thin air or would he have at least a little bit of confidence in the story being true?
-Next the message boards explode with the story told by Wyatt. Some higher profile posters say it is indeed true.
-In his post NSD presser Dan Mullen goes on a tangent like he has never done before. He goes on about how at MSU "we practice what we preach". It's reasonable to believe something had touched a nerve on the recruiting trail and he was addressing it. Another coach calling his personal faith into question as a means of negative recruiting certainly fits the bill..
[the next 2 are slightly unrelated but I wanted to continue this timeline for context purposes]
-After the Mullen presser when the whole state, OM fans included, took Mullen's "practice what we preach comments" as directed at Freeze, a group of (allegedly) private board OM fans decided to take that quote for its literal sense and make a video called "Pastor Dan Mullen" where they took that presser video and mash it up with Mullen's players dancing to rap music and cursing. The intent was to make him appear to be a hypocrite by taking his comment literally in the sense that he said he was a preacher.
-After that video a group of (allegedly) MSU private board folks made the "Ole Miss traditions" video that pieced together certain videos like crunchy mike, showing students chant TSWRA, etc...
I think this TL is enough for most reasonable people to believe something bad happened b/t Mullen and Freeze on the trail that cycle. The most adamant OM fans might not ever admit to Freeze saying "fear for soul..." but Mullen dominated recruiting that cycle so it couldn't be recruiting jealousy (which I noted b/c it's a preloaded OM defense). Ever since this chain of events we've seen the most tension I've ever seen in the Egg Bowl rivalry. Mullen was always into picking at "TSUN" under Nutt but there wasn't that boiling bad blood. There is now. While many OM fans blame Mullen for inserting unprecedented hatred, you cannot dispute that the bad blood started when Freeze was inserted on the recruiting trail. At the end of the day, I get it. Freeze was in a desperate situation and needed players desperately. He was doing everything he could on that cycle and while he didn't do well that desperate approach produced his 1st big recruiting victory in Channing Ward.
Now back to the smoking gun I won't go in to on a public board. I know Bear Hunter and others know how to find my email where I do some writing. I'm not hard to contact.
-Matt Wyatt tells the infamous "fear for your soul" story on air on Head to Head and voices his displeasure for that incident. He framed it somewhat open-ended saying he had "heard" it. Never stated it as unequivocal fact. Ask yourself this: Would Matt Wyatt who has a statewide radio show and is on the official MSU radio broadcast tell a "smear story" out of thin air or would he have at least a little bit of confidence in the story being true?
-Next the message boards explode with the story told by Wyatt. Some higher profile posters say it is indeed true.
-In his post NSD presser Dan Mullen goes on a tangent like he has never done before. He goes on about how at MSU "we practice what we preach". It's reasonable to believe something had touched a nerve on the recruiting trail and he was addressing it. Another coach calling his personal faith into question as a means of negative recruiting certainly fits the bill..
[the next 2 are slightly unrelated but I wanted to continue this timeline for context purposes]
-After the Mullen presser when the whole state, OM fans included, took Mullen's "practice what we preach comments" as directed at Freeze, a group of (allegedly) private board OM fans decided to take that quote for its literal sense and make a video called "Pastor Dan Mullen" where they took that presser video and mash it up with Mullen's players dancing to rap music and cursing. The intent was to make him appear to be a hypocrite by taking his comment literally in the sense that he said he was a preacher.
-After that video a group of (allegedly) MSU private board folks made the "Ole Miss traditions" video that pieced together certain videos like crunchy mike, showing students chant TSWRA, etc...
I think this TL is enough for most reasonable people to believe something bad happened b/t Mullen and Freeze on the trail that cycle. The most adamant OM fans might not ever admit to Freeze saying "fear for soul..." but Mullen dominated recruiting that cycle so it couldn't be recruiting jealousy (which I noted b/c it's a preloaded OM defense). Ever since this chain of events we've seen the most tension I've ever seen in the Egg Bowl rivalry. Mullen was always into picking at "TSUN" under Nutt but there wasn't that boiling bad blood. There is now. While many OM fans blame Mullen for inserting unprecedented hatred, you cannot dispute that the bad blood started when Freeze was inserted on the recruiting trail. At the end of the day, I get it. Freeze was in a desperate situation and needed players desperately. He was doing everything he could on that cycle and while he didn't do well that desperate approach produced his 1st big recruiting victory in Channing Ward.
Now back to the smoking gun I won't go in to on a public board. I know Bear Hunter and others know how to find my email where I do some writing. I'm not hard to contact.
So the “proof” is something Matt Wyatt supposedly said on the radio on some unspecified date but no audio exists and the only people who seem to have heard it were MSU fans, and we should just take your word for it, and even if Wyatt did say it, all he really said was that he “heard” Freeze made the comment and "never stated it as unequivocal fact," meaning Wyatt himself never claimed it was true? Well that’s an airtight case.
And then because message boards supposedly “exploded” (always a good indicator of truth) and Mullen made ambiguous comments about “we practice what we preach,” that’s evidence that Freeze made the comment?
Look, I realize this isn’t a court of law, but this type of patchwork nonsense is called “speculation,” “hearsay,” “innuendo,” and “unsubstantiated rumor” that would get you laughed out of court. And all of you will still choose to believe it as if it’s the gospel and that’s fine. Just don’t pretend your rumors are on firmer footing than our rumors.
And then because message boards supposedly “exploded” (always a good indicator of truth) and Mullen made ambiguous comments about “we practice what we preach,” that’s evidence that Freeze made the comment?
Look, I realize this isn’t a court of law, but this type of patchwork nonsense is called “speculation,” “hearsay,” “innuendo,” and “unsubstantiated rumor” that would get you laughed out of court. And all of you will still choose to believe it as if it’s the gospel and that’s fine. Just don’t pretend your rumors are on firmer footing than our rumors.
Well, I'm sure many wish they were wearing a wire the day Richie's dad told the story. Then we could have your proof. But a first hand witness account would not get you laughed out of court.
I know of other recruits that have been told similar things. "You won't get spiritually fed there." "They don't put a premium on spiritual development there." "They don't have their kids in church." Those kinds of comments resonate with religious mamas, and that's what he's going for. To his credit, he's toned it down a lot in the last couple of years, because it's turned a lot of people off.
Yep.
About two years ago, I was banned over there for this exact reason. Not that I want to go back, but found their management of the board to be a bit touchier than SPS's. They sure didn't like it when they pointed out for being flat out wrong.
About two years ago, I was banned over there for this exact reason. Not that I want to go back, but found their management of the board to be a bit touchier than SPS's. They sure didn't like it when they pointed out for being flat out wrong.
That timeline isn't patchwork nonsense. It's all a sequence of events. The question is if you chose to infer that if it was reasonable for a message board reader to believe that alleged comment after that sequence of events. That's my only point. To act like that story was pulled out of thin air by Goat or C34 or whatever poster yall would agree is "crazy" isn't accurate and just an attempt to be dismissive for the sake of fandom (and in no way am I saying that doesn't go both ways). Also see the last thing I said
You are not going to believe it without a link and just like numerous other rumors that you "know" on MSU we don't believe without a link. How do you link a conversation? Unless one (and I believe some your fan base wouldn't believe the story of it just comes from Richie to a MSU reporter anyway) or more parties relay the story directly to the media or some sort of published outlet you can't link anything. It doesn't matter that the story was told among many insiders before signing day (I think even on the rant right before or after) or that UM and MSU sites felt you led or we were tied going into that visit or Richie cancelled his official visit UM for the last weekend soon after this conversation. You want a "link" to prove it happened when the only people there haven't went to the media with it. But if you want proof ask Richie or his dad. They will verify it for you.
Hey dipshit, bitching about rumor and innuendo on a message board is what dipshits do. Secondly, doing it on a rivals message board is dipshit 2x. Lastly, trying to draw some sort similarity between what is said in a court room and a message board is beyond dipshit.
Lemme guess, this post is all sarcasm too...
Lemme guess, this post is all sarcasm too...
Oh I'm not bitching about message board rumor and innuendo. You missed my point. My point is that our rumors (take the steroid one, for example) are a product of innuendo and hearsay. Your rumors are a product of innuendo and hearsay. And that's all well and fine; that's what message boards are for. But at the end of the day they're just that - unsubstantiated rumors - both yours and ours. But y'all treat the Richie Brown rumor as if it's a bedrock fact. If I failed to accurately convey that point, please accept my deepest apologies.
Are you 17n stupid or naive? Of course most people here treat it as fact. We're 17ing State fans on a 17ing State message board. Are you expecting something different. Guess what, PETA hates guns. Any other obvious "facts" that I need to clear up for you?
It's interesting that OP being a moderator on here is such a point of contention.
If I'm not mistaken Dawgstudent and HD are moderators on NAFOOM and not one person has complained about it.
Congrats, Flab. You've won the internet. Have a cupcake.
If I'm not mistaken Dawgstudent and HD are moderators on NAFOOM and not one person has complained about it.
Congrats, Flab. You've won the internet. Have a cupcake.
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And evidently this issue weighed on your little heart so heavily it compelled you to prance over here and clear the air.
And just for ***** and giggles...what seems more plausible to you...Freeze pulling the religion card or Mullen giving steroids to his players? I'm not implying either is based on fact. Just curious which is more plausible in your mind.
And just for ***** and giggles...what seems more plausible to you...Freeze pulling the religion card or Mullen giving steroids to his players? I'm not implying either is based on fact. Just curious which is more plausible in your mind.
That's an interesting question. I haven't given it much thought, but I guess I'd look at it like this. If Balis (not Mullen) provided (or facilitated the provision of) steroids to players (which I don't believe to be true), that would have a direct tangible benefit in performance.
But if Freeze told a recruit "I fear for your soul if you go to MSU," I don't view that as a statement which would be likely to sway the recruit in his decision. In fact, that seems like a really stupid thing to say to a recruit, particularly by someone who is generally acknowledged to be a good recruiter. So there's no benefit from the statement.
Verdict: All your players are juicing and Freeze never said that.
Disagree here. The Mullen-Nutt tension was greater than any Mullen-Freeze tension imo. When Nutt made his comment after the '08 EB (think that's when it was) about one program in the state getting stronger, and then Mullen threw it back at him after the '09 EB (think that's when it was)...... to me that (after the '09 season) was the peak of bad blood between coaches and programs since Mullen has been at MSU. JMO
And Mullen's "never losing to this team again" quote came after beating Nutt in 2010.
Mullen was a lot more outspoken about the rivalry when Nutt was around. It may not have felt like bad blood as much to the MSU fans at the time, because MSU fans naturally aren't nearly as angry when the upper hand is on the MSU side, but to Ole Miss fans, that (2009-2011) was certainly the peak of obnoxious Mullen. Naturally, since Freeze has come in and had some success, it's ratcheted up the feeling of bad blood on your side.
And certainly our fans have contributed to that by letting all the angst off our chests after dealing with Mullen's early success against us, and the talk that accompanied it. So I'm certain our fans have done our part to contribute to that bad blood here recently.
Our fan bases tend to get along a lot better when we both suck.
I think Nutt said it the week before the Egg Bowl in 09. That's why Mullen said it after the game.
Have to give Mullen props on that one...and the irony of it all being that Nutt was saying that essentially the week before his program started to implode. After making that statement about one program being on the rise, he won as many SEC games as he had losses to FCS schools in the remainder of his career. So much for on the rise...
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All in good time.
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