Good thing SS made a move in hoops when he did....

[thekimmer]

The SEC seems to be trending toward more experienced, proven head coaches and we would have been even further behind had we given another year.

Then again, maybe strick started this trend.

 

[paindonthurt_]

I'm sure "loafers" won't get much credit for it........

 

[patdog]

He never does. Our entire athletic department is in by far the best shape its ever been in, but somehow it's run by an idiot. **

 

[ArcherSPS]

For God's sake the Elite Dawgs flock was all bleeting that it was a conspiracy which involved Stricklin keeping Ray to ruin the basketball program. They hate SS over there.

 

[HD6]

I thought 34 was a big time Ray supporter.

 

[anon1787432961]

Was thinking the same thing yesterday. I wouldn't want Barnes at all, or any other coaches that have moved recently.

The SEC seems to be trending toward more experienced, proven head coaches and we would have been even further behind had we given another year.

Then again, maybe strick started this trend.

 

[jb1020]

I give SS all the credit here

but he learned from the master...this was just like greg byrne hiring rich rod a few years ago.

Get your ducks in a row early, make the calls, fire then hire before anyone else has decided whether or not to fire their guy.

There is no way Howland would be ours if SS didn't handle this exactly like he did.

 

[57stratdawg]

Yeah and to be fair to everyone else, this coaching search was night and day different from the last one.

 

[HD6]

It's almost like he did something for the first time ever, learned from his mistakes, and did better the next time. I mean, who's ever heard of such?

 

[ArcherSPS]

I'm referring to CadaverDawg and Dawg61 or whatever the 17 his name is. Literally the two times I've looked at that site the flock was so sure that Bailey Howell was trying to tell Scott to 17 around with the program and to make it fail.

 

[57stratdawg]

I understand what you're saying, but aspects like:

A) Knowing who you're going to hire before you fire your current coach
B) Making sure you have a short list of obtainable coaches

Seem like things he would have picked up in his 15 or 20 years of experience prior to firing Rick Stansbury.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

In my humble, non-informed, opinion, I think he got just who he wanted the last time or at least the exact type of coach he wanted. From an outside view, it appeared the whole program was in disarray. Granted, he probably expected more wins and more improvement, as we all did. Ask yourself this, if Howland was available at the time of Stansbury's ouster, would he touch our job?

I may be completely wrong, but that's how I see it.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Do we know, without

a doubt, that both of those occured as you say? I can't recall seeing that those are two things that he did. All I've ever seen was conjecture.

 

[patdog]

I think Scott had those lists when he fired Ray. But, like a lot of message board posters at the time, he vastly underestimated how toxic our job was because of the dumpster fire Stansbury had left. He got turned down by a lot of coaches I'm sure he, and a lot of other people, thought he could get. Give Ray credit for one thing. He cleaned up the program to the point it's a desirable job again.

 

[121Josey]

I give SS little credit. I may be wrong, but I feel that this feel into his lap. It was a no-brainer after that.

 

[HD6]

Exactly. People make it out like Stricklin forced Stansbury out, and then said "Well **** what now?" We heard names in the press like Prohm, Drew, and others, it's obvious we approached them. They weren't interested.

 

[DancingRabbit]

I think Scott and Dr. Keenum were caught off guard when Stans walked away.

Obviously Scott should have been better prepared to hire a new coach before sitting down with Stans.

Stans didn't take kindly to being told to clean up the mess or retire, and probably thought he would get a good HC offer within a couple years.

I understand what you're saying, but aspects like:

A) Knowing who you're going to hire before you fire your current coach
B) Making sure you have a short list of obtainable coaches

Seem like things he would have picked up in his 15 or 20 years of experience prior to firing Rick Stansbury.

 

[DAWG61]

What the 17 are you babbling about psycho?

 

[DAWG61]

I give SS little credit. I may be wrong, but I feel that this feel into his lap. It was a no-brainer after that.

SS was forced to fire Ray. If it'd been up to his dumbass we'd still have Ray for two more years. SS gets a **** hair of credit for Howland.

 

[57stratdawg]

My understanding of our coaching seach went:

Fire Stansbury.
Miss on Groce.
Turned down by Prohm.
Turn down by Drew.
Turn down by Prohm again.
Turn down Kenny Payne.
Hire Ray

Truthfully, I'm probably missing some steps, because I think we ultimately made a third offer to Prohm and Keenum ultimately got involved.

Think this time it went:

Verbal from Howland (likely through ADIDAS ties)
Fire Ray
Hire Howland

Remeber, he didn't HAVE to can Stansbury. He picked that fork in the road.

 

[dawgdoug1962]

I give SS little credit. I may be wrong, but I feel that this feel into his lap. It was a no-brainer after that.

I give him all the credit in the world!

 

[KurtRambis4]

But the thing is

nobody on here (SPS) knows how it went. I just think it's ridiculous to speculate on things and then blame the person for doing (or not doing) those things. I'm sure some Billy Badass who thinks they're important (more than they actually are) will chime in with "I know what happened bc my doctor's son's roommate's girlfriend's dad was there!"

I guess what I'm saying is that it's stupid to blame someone for something when you only know hardly more than the minimum of what went on.

 

[57stratdawg]

nobody on here (SPS) knows how it went. I just think it's ridiculous to speculate on things and then blame the person for doing (or not doing) those things. I'm sure some Billy Badass who thinks they're important (more than they actually are) will chime in with "I know what happened bc my doctor's son's roommate's girlfriend's dad was there!"

I guess what I'm saying is that it's stupid to blame someone for something when you only know hardly more than the minimum of what went on.

I get that. I have no insight into the Mullen or Cohen hire. I have no idea if Chris Petersen or Tommy Raffo was interviewed or whatever. But I feel pretty good about what I typed earlier.

You can say "I don't believe", that's fine, but I have a feeling no one is going to quote my post and offer up a drastically different series of events. Just cause it got posted on message board doesn't mean it wasn't true.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

The name is William Badass to you. And I happen to spot Scott Striklin at the gym.*

 

[KurtRambis4]

I didn't

say that it wasn't true "just because it was posted on a message board." However, there are no facts to back your original statement up. It's all conjecture.

 

[dawgstudent]

I heard everyone completely misfired on the interest level of the program and other coaches around the country weren't helping when we were trying to hire our coach. They were badmouthing us pretty bad.

 

[Hammer Down]

I think Scott had those lists when he fired Ray. But, like a lot of message board posters at the time, he vastly underestimated how toxic our job was because of the dumpster fire Stansbury had left. He got turned down by a lot of coaches I'm sure he, and a lot of other people, thought he could get. Give Ray credit for one thing. He cleaned up the program to the point it's a desirable job again.

Disagree. I think no coach wanted a job because they did not want to be fired as they won 20 games per year. Now that expectations have been lowered, the job is more desirable. I have always said that our timing of firing Stansbury was horrific. He should have been fired after 2011, or waited until he had a similar record. We were on the damn NCAA bubble in 2012. THAT was Stricklin's mishap......he listened to our fans instead of using his logic. And how was our job 'toxic'? Sidney and all his fantastic friends were already gone.

However, I am not going to complain about the way it turned all turned out.

 

[Hammer Down]

He probably should have gone to Clemson.

 

[57stratdawg]

You sound like an OM booster right now. "Where are the facts we gave Knemdichie's dad a job based on his younger son's athletic ability?"

We hired an assistant coach off a 16-14 team 3 weeks after one of most successful coaches in program history. This most recent coaching search lasted less than 3 days. I'm telling you Kurt, I filled in the blanks pretty well.

 

[dawgstudent]

You are a much more angry poster in the past year or so.

 

[DAWG61]

You are a much more angry poster in the past year or so.

Yup I wonder why

 

[KurtRambis4]

So you

agree then, that you're original statement is all conjecture.

 

[57stratdawg]

No. Notice no one has said its wrong.

 

[patdog]

He definitely should have gone to Clemson. Would have turned out a lot better for him and for us. Very rarely does a coach's production not go down after he's decided to leave for another job and then changed his mind and stayed. Billy Donovan being an exception, but even in his case it took him 3 years to get back to the NCAAT and another year before he got past the first round.

 

[Big Sheep81]

That's ********. Stricklin had been moving toward this since January. He was hoping to see things improve but they did not and he pulled the trigger. There were some boosters hollering but the decision was his to make and he did. He get's the credit, you get the raspberry.....

 

[paindonthurt_]

I agree. Considering who we are and what we came from we market very well and have grown tremendously in all aspects. Loafers deserves a lot of credit.

 

[paindonthurt_]

I laughed

 

[DancingRabbit]

I'm your huckleberry. You're wrong.

Stans wasn't fired.

No. Notice no one has said its wrong.

 

[paindonthurt_]

B/c no one really knows

 

[paindonthurt_]

I'm sure he underestimated, but even in hindsight it was the correct move. We took a chance. In my opinion of the bball program its still no different now than it was then.

We were mediocre. Mediocre and below suck.